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Watching the Republican presidential nomination race in America gives us an insight into the acceptability of bigotry against Muslims in many segments of the American society. A number of past and present candidates have expressed views, if said about any group other than Muslims, would have been considered racist and probably ended their chances of being elected. Rick Santorum has said that “absolutely” Muslims should be profiled, Newt Gingrich believes that the Palestinians are an “invented people” and Katherine Bachmann has been accused by Ron Paul (a fourth candidate) of hating Muslims. Of all the candidates running for US president in 2012, including the current president, only Ron Paul has stated views about the Muslim world’s feelings towards America that a significant segment of the Muslim population would hold true. And he, like the truth, is given very little airtime in the US.
It is interesting to watch some of the recent Republican candidate debates where perhaps, the defining event in recent US/Muslim relations, the horrific 9/11 terrorist attacks, is discussed. Ron Paul states (to jeering and booing audiences) that contrary to the beliefs of the large majority of the US population, the US did not get attacked because it is a free country. Why didn’t the terrorists target Switzerland or Sweden for example, which are even freer than the US? To attack a country thousands of miles away, simply because there are greater personal freedoms and a more democratic domestic system, makes little sense and has no precedent in history — yet this is the simple belief that most Americans cling to. In the words of Rudolf Guliani (the mayor of New York at the time of 9/11) that “They hate us because we are free”. And if a Muslim wants to discuss the motives behind the attacks, well that puts him or her in the terrorist sympathiser camp.
To many Muslims, the most surprising aspect of 9/11 is not that a major terrorist attack on US soil took place, but that it took so long to happen. Muslims believe that the US got attacked largely as a direct result of a long history of flawed foreign policy, which over a period of decades has created much anger and resentment in the Muslim world. Examples include; hundreds of thousands dead in Iraq as a result of oppressive sanctions prior to 9/11, US bias towards Israel in what most Muslims see as the brutal oppression of an entire population under a military occupation and siege, and several US military bases in Muslim countries including in the holy land of Saudi Arabia. Also, the US has supported or installed many deeply unpopular regimes in Muslim countries. Most Americans do not know or understand this.
Witness the Arab spring. Who supported and happily dealt with the despotic Hosni Mubarak of Egypt and showered him with aid? Ben Ali of Tunisia? And Ali Abdullah Saleh of Yemen? Yes, all these were hugely unpopular, dictatorial and corrupt — and backed by America. Most Muslims also resent that the US props up the most powerful and possibly the least democratic regimes in the Muslim world — Saudi Arabia, home to large US military bases (and, of course, the world’s largest oil producer). And yet, the large majority of the 9/11 attackers were Saudis. Many Muslims wonder what pressure the House of Saud is under to hold free and fair elections, in line with purported American democratic values. Ron Paul makes an analogy — how would Americans like it if the Chinese were present on their soil, with military bases, and influencing who is running their country. That is what many Muslim countries are faced with, including, of course, Pakistan.
Overall, the truth about America’s behaviour and foreign policy is kept well-hidden from the American population. The very few prominent figures such as Ron Paul who speak the truth are not given much airtime and are often ridiculed. Unless the truth comes out and is debated within the US, misadventures will continue, and our part of the world will continue to be a victim. In the meanwhile, Pakistan should steer clear of dealing with the US military machine.
Published in The Express Tribune, January 27th, 2012. by salman ali shoaib
 
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Two comments stand out from the very article you posted.
Comment #1
america gives much more freedom and respect to muslims as compared to what we give to non-muslims in our own country. our ppl when migrate to work in the arab countries are treated like second class citizens,are given no rights whereas those migrating to europe or america get the nationalities of those countries.in middle east they have trouble getting the ownership of any property.we won’t let any synagogue be built in our country but the americans have allowed the construction of thousands of mosques.it’s very easy to sit and criticise other countries without taking a look at ourselves.there’s a lot of things wrong with american foreign policy but the freedom they accord to everyone in their country is exemplary.

Comment #2
Exactly why Americans are concerned of the modern day Jihadis. If ever any one has a claim to attack US first, it should be the Japanese or the Vietnamese or Russians.

If the Muslims(from Indonesia to Middle east even though the PAK and Indonesia have nothing in common with the middle east) of S. Arabia, Yemen, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Turkey Syria, Lebanon,and Pakistan feel that the flawed US foreign policy is the cause of their ills, they should show their discontent towards their puppet regimes and ruthless monarchs, rather than against the US.

The fact of the matter is the modern day islamic ideology and the religious bigotry towards non muslims and US support to Israel and the inherent conflict between Israel and Palestine collectively unite the Muslim Jihadis in the name of religious brotherhood and people subscribe to this twisted notion of holy land occupied by infidel troops. The author is no exception. After all , in America also there was an educated psychiatrist who served in military turned into an assassin after subscribing to this ideology.

All countries’ foreign policies are self centered and countries work together in collective interests. If the Muslim countries have issue with the US force in middle east, let them take it to the King of S. Arabia.

What does the author preach next, the foreign policy of PAK neighbor India is flawed, so PAK should stay away?

People in America don’t hate Muslims. They hate Jihadis and people who advocate such philosophy. All presidential candidates are politicians who cater to their own constituency, and Ron Paul is no different than Michelle (not Katherine) Bachman.

If the countries don’t like the US foreign policy they have an open forum to criticize in UN as Iran does and unlike the author’s portrayal, all dissident leaders are given a chance to articulate their positions in respected US media and college campuses.

There is no problem in author advocating that PAK should rescind its tie with US. But the reason of Muslim vs US is deplorable.
 
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blame the great satan for ills that are basically of our own making...:no:
 
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every1 is free to comment,thats not my thinking...thats for sure.
I know, and i know that ur thinking is inclined towards the Author of the article. I am trying to highlight the fundamental flaws in the Author's arguments by using statements (which are facts) of 2 such comments in the article. You can negate their arguments, by coming up with your own argument(s) to debate on this. That is the whole point of the thread, isn't it ?
 
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^^^ wanted views on why US has a phobia regarding most of the muslim countries?if israel has nuclear weapons..US looks to the other side! in irans case ..a simple no no by US. Attacking afghanistan to find obl(their own agent) and killing so many civilians there...so many examples iraq,libya...now pakistan.why cant they just mind their own business!:angry: and deal with their own coutries business.many muslim countries are suffering bcoz of US interference.
 
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^^^ wanted views on why US has a phobia regarding most of the muslim countries?if israel has nuclear weapons..US looks to the other side! in irans case ..a simple no no by US. Attacking afghanistan to find obl(their own agent) and killing so many civilians there...so many examples iraq,libya...now pakistan.why cant they just mind their own business!:angry: and deal with their own coutries business.many muslim countries are suffering bcoz of US interference.

You know why the U.S. has a phobia with Muslim countries? Because of the Barbary pirates. Hence our first war with Muslim countries.
 
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You know why the U.S. has a phobia with Muslim countries? Because of the Barbary pirates. Hence our first war with Muslim countries.

Not a good enough reason to have a muslim country phobia.
 
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Not a good enough reason to have a muslim country phobia.
Dont look at things from muslim angle, you will be confused and surprised, why america supports some muslim countries and opposes some others.
Turkey and SA are clearly pro american regimes, despite being muslim majority counries.
Till recently pakistan was best friend of US, and some of Islamic terror in pakistan, is also due to US.

Its always who serves your interest.
 
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Dont look at things from muslim angle, you will be confused and surprised, why america supports some muslim countries and opposes some others.
Turkey and SA are clearly pro american regimes, despite being muslim majority counries.
Till recently pakistan was best friend of US, and some of Islamic terror in pakistan, is also due to US.

Its always who serves your interest.
the truth is different,
unless you completely submit to america, you're dead
 
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the truth is different,
unless you completely submit to america, you're dead

Thats the pakistani experience, we were not their allies in cold war, and were under soviet influence.
I would say pakistan became prosperous( but lost sovereignty) by allying with US, wheras we remain Independent and poor.
 
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Dont look at things from muslim angle, you will be confused and surprised, why america supports some muslim countries and opposes some others.
Turkey and SA are clearly pro american regimes, despite being muslim majority counries.
Till recently pakistan was best friend of US, and some of Islamic terror in pakistan, is also due to US.

Its always who serves your interest.

Ive tried not to look at it from a muslim angle too and honestly and it keeps me wondering what is the US after?if u see around the world most of the muslim countries are in some sort of s*** coz of US,they support dictators(of their likes)why dont they just leave the countries solve their own problems themselves.US hasnt helped(in reality) any country it just goes worst where ever they interfere.
 
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Thats the pakistani experience, we were not their allies in cold war, and were under soviet influence.
I would say pakistan became prosperous( but lost sovereignty) by allying with US, wheras we remain Independent and poor.
Limit of naivety. Nothing to say.
 
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Limit of naivety. Nothing to say.

Really ? Your statement makes me wonder if you even know what "naive" means.

However, i agree with the last bit. You probably shouldn't say anything more.
 
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