AMCA yet to take off from drawing board

[kurup]

In a recent Interview Air Chief Marshal Norman Anil Kumar Browne said to an aviation magazine, that AMCA India’s homegrown fifth generation fighter aircraft is still to take off from the drawing board and still at feasibility study stage.

AMCA will be developed has Multirole aircraft medium weight 5th generation aircraft with stealth technology will be able to super cruise with advanced avionics and sensors .idrw.org had earlier mentioned that Agencies are working on two or three AMCA designs and Model shown in Aero India 2011 was just one of the model .

ASR issued by Indian air force last year , pretty much stressed high on Stealth characters of the aircraft which has lead to considerable changes in the original design , Air chief also mentioned that Engines , Avionics and designs itself , and the technology partners for the program has not been finalised yet .

Sources have told idrw.org that Tejas MK-II will carry many of the 5th generation technology; advance variant of this will later find its way into AMCA, first Tejas MK-II aircraft according to sources will be ready by end of 2013 or early 2014 and will have its first flight in end of 2014 .

Work on Design aspect of Tejas MK-II is complete and F414-GE-INS6 engine will power the Mk II version, Tejas MK-II is one meter longer then Tejas MK-I , and will have a stretched nose and larger section behind cockpit for incorporating avionics components. Aircraft will be able to carry 1000 kg more on the external stores more than current 4000 kg carried by Tejas MK-I.

AMCA yet to take off from drawing board | idrw.org

 

[selvan33]

In a recent Interview Air Chief Marshal Norman Anil Kumar Browne said to an aviation magazine, that AMCA India’s homegrown fifth generation fighter aircraft is still to take off from the drawing board and still at feasibility study stage.

AMCA will be developed has Multirole aircraft medium weight 5th generation aircraft with stealth technology will be able to super cruise with advanced avionics and sensors .idrw.org had earlier mentioned that Agencies are working on two or three AMCA designs and Model shown in Aero India 2011 was just one of the model .

ASR issued by Indian air force last year , pretty much stressed high on Stealth characters of the aircraft which has lead to considerable changes in the original design , Air chief also mentioned that Engines , Avionics and designs itself , and the technology partners for the program has not been finalised yet .

Sources have told idrw.org that Tejas MK-II will carry many of the 5th generation technology; advance variant of this will later find its way into AMCA, first Tejas MK-II aircraft according to sources will be ready by end of 2013 or early 2014 and will have its first flight in end of 2014 .

Work on Design aspect of Tejas MK-II is complete and F414-GE-INS6 engine will power the Mk II version, Tejas MK-II is one meter longer then Tejas MK-I , and will have a stretched nose and larger section behind cockpit for incorporating avionics components. Aircraft will be able to carry 1000 kg more on the external stores more than current 4000 kg carried by Tejas MK-I.

AMCA yet to take off from drawing board | idrw.org

wow tejas mark1 itself will carry 4tonne weapons. i thought it will carry only 3tns. and also 1 tonnes higher than jf 17blk1. i think we should induct more mark1 for emergency replacement of mig 21. because it will carry more payload than that and also it will be helpful to secure our pilots life from the aged mig 21. and later we can convert this a supresonic trainer or light attack variant.

 

[Abingdonboy]

wow tejas mark1 itself will carry 4tonne weapons. i thought it will carry only 3tns. and also 1 tonnes higher than jf 17blk1. i think we should induct more mark1 for emergency replacement of mig 21. because it will carry more payload than that and also it will be helpful to secure our pilots life from the aged mig 21. and later we can convert this a supresonic trainer or light attack variant.

I too was surprised when I had heard the LCA's weapon's load- it can even hold more than the MIG-29Ks of the IN meaning the IN N-LCA's would actually serve some utility.

 

[rashtriya.rifles]

I too was surprised when I had heard the LCA's weapon's load- it can even hold more than the MIG-29Ks of the IN meaning the IN N-LCA's would actually serve some utility.

How do you know N-LCA's load capacity will be same as LCA ?

 

[Abingdonboy]

How do you know N-LCA's load capacity will be same as LCA ?

I had heard it would be around the same but there is the consideration that the N-LCA will be operating off STOBAR carriers as such the load may have to be reduced in order to take off from such a short deck. Or they load up with weapons and have the bare minimum of fuel onboard and once the bird is airborne the fighter is refueled in the air. Or a combination of both.

What I am interested in is though, what can the N-LCA safely land with in terms of weight? As in many cases naval fighters have to jettision any excess weight ie fuel and WEAPONS before coming into land and as you can imagine when you have $1-2 million USD missles or $500,000+ USD LGBs this can become quite an expensive and extremely ineficent process.

 

[selvan33]

I too was surprised when I had heard the LCA's weapon's load- it can even hold more than the MIG-29Ks of the IN meaning the IN N-LCA's would actually serve some utility.

hey buddy am really confused in N LCA. are they getting any mk1 or directly going for mk2. and also more than mig 29k means hope 5+tonnes. either this much payload in N lca mk1 0r 2.

 

[acid rain]

hey buddy am really confused in N LCA. are they getting any mk1 or directly going for mk2. and also more than mig 29k means hope 5+tonnes. either this much payload in N lca mk1 0r 2.

We already have an N-LCA in trials, so it has to on the lines of mk1.

 

[Abingdonboy]

hey buddy am really confused in N LCA. are they getting any mk1 or directly going for mk2. and also more than mig 29k means hope 5+tonnes. either this much payload in N lca mk1 0r 2.

IIRC the N-LCA design is based on the MK-2 with the F414-GE-INS6 engine.

We already have an N-LCA in trials, so it has to on the lines of mk1.

That is the trainer version and it is just a TD to test a few features, it is NOT the final product by a long shot-it doesn't even feature a tail hook for eg!

 

[rockstarIN]

Let them take enough time for the first flight, but most of the tests might have carried in MK1, they wont take time to go into series production IMO.

 

[selvan33]

We already have an N-LCA in trials, so it has to on the lines of mk1.

not a prototypes or LSP dude. am asking in production variant.

 

[Abingdonboy]

not a prototypes or LSP dude. am asking in production variant.

Like I said- N-LCA AFAIK will be based on the MK.2.

What I am interested in is though, what can the N-LCA safely land with in terms of weight? As in many cases naval fighters have to jettision any excess weight ie fuel and WEAPONS before coming into land and as you can imagine when you have $1-2 million USD missles or $500,000+ USD LGBs this can become quite an expensive and extremely ineficent process.

@sancho do you know anything about this?

 

[sancho]

Payload is just a paper spec, as long as you don't have a useful number of hardpoints to carry enough fuel and weapons and knows about the weightlimits of the hardpoints. The LCA can't carry more weapons than a Mig, because it has 2 wingstations less than the Mig and it can't carry same amount of fuel, because it has 2 wet stations less than the Mig.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Payload is just a paper spec, as long as you don't have a useful number of hardpoints to carry enough fuel and weapons and knows about the weightlimits of the hardpoints. The LCA can't carry more weapons than a Mig, because it has 2 wingstations less than the Mig and it can't carry same amount of fuel, because it has 2 wet stations less than the Mig.

Sancho, wrt my earlier post, do you think the N-LCA will be having to jettsion weapons into the sea before landing or will the N-LCA be sturdy enough to land with unspent weaponary? I had heard the F-18SHs were now able to land with a considerable weapons load now.

 

[sancho]

@sancho do you know anything about this?[/QUOTE]

Since the fighter is still under development, the bring back capability is still unknown too, we can only compare it to similar fighters to get a hint:

Saab offers naval Gripen to India

According to Peter Nilsson, Gripen’s Vice President of Operational Capabilities, the Sea Gripen is intended for both CATOBAR (Catapult Assisted Take Off But Arrested Recovery) as well as STOBAR (Short Take Off But Arrested Recovery) operations. “There will obviously be differences in the MTOW (Maximum Take-Off Weight). In a CATOBAR concept, the Sea Gripen will have a MTOW of 16,500 kilograms and a maximum landing weight of 11,500 kilograms. In a STOBAR concept it depends on the physics of the carrier. Roughly, the payload of fuel and weapons in STOBAR operations will be one-third less than the payload in CATOBAR operations. There will be no differences in ‘bring-back’ capability,” he says.

Saab offers naval Gripen to India | StratPost

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

We've been hearing about the AMCA for ages now...

Whereas there was never any acknowledgement that the J-20 and the J-31 even existed until they were actually flying.