Ambala to station first squadron of MMRCA fighters

[Imran Khan]

jo bhi nai cheez kety ho hamary gher ke samny la khari kerty ho zalmo ok f-16 shahbaz ab j-10 lahore main

 

[Contrarian]

We will bring it on buddy.

Good Aerial Defence beats Good Aerial Offensive anyday.

Just ask the Israelis in the opening days of Yom Kippur War, then strong Egyptian Air Defenses stopped the mightiest Air Force in the Middle East.

Pakistan cannot match India, plane for plane. But by investing heavily anti-air defenses, one missile battery is equivalent to one Air Squadron and which will level the playing field and cost India dearly economically.

No mate. Do talk with professionals regarding this. If your offensive elements are ineffective, your defensive elements will be taken down pretty soon. Secondly all the Pakistani forward bases barring 2 strategic bases of Pakistan will be taken down rather quick.

As mentioned by someone - modern warfare has changed. India packs much more of a punch today than Pakistan.

 

[Gessler]

jo bhi nai cheez kety ho hamary gher ke samny la khari kerty ho zalmo ok f-16 shahbaz ab j-10 lahore main

J-10 is the chinese F-16. There is nothing in that plane that F-16C Block-52+ doesn't
already offer.

It's like buying Rafale when you already have EF Typhoon. Like buying F-15C
when you already have Su-30MKI. If PAF wants to waste its money on mulling the
same level of operational capabilities again and again, with no scope of increase,
I have to think the PAF has reached the end of its days.

 

[Ticker]

No mate. Do talk with professionals regarding this. If your offensive elements are ineffective, your defensive elements will be taken down pretty soon. Secondly all the Pakistani forward bases barring 2 strategic bases of Pakistan will be taken down rather quick.

As mentioned by someone - modern warfare has changed. India packs much more of a punch today than Pakistan.

If you play with IAF only, you can do anything. If you play a dialectic, there would be neutralization and destruction on both sides.

If however, India manages to take down such large majority of Pakistani air bases, nuclear brinkmanship would come into play much early in the war, for the Indian liking.

 

[janon]

If however, India manages to take down such large majority of Pakistani air bases, nuclear brinkmanship would come into play much early in the war, for the Indian liking.

Maybe so, but the end will come even sooner, and it won't be to Pakistan's liking.

 

[SamantK]

Maybe so, but the end will come even sooner, and it won't be to Pakistan's liking.

But in such a scenario will anyone survive in Pakistan to judge his liking?

The lack of depth in Pakistan is the biggest trouble for them, no wonder they wanted Afghan as a satellite state.

 

[Ping]

lol wtf are nukes doing in a Rafale thread? hahaha Pakistanis are tactfully accepting that their JF-17s, a few F-16s and about to be acquired J-10s are no match for IAF and they plan to take out rafales even before they get the chance to get airborne. So typical!

 

[Ping]

J-10 is the chinese F-16. There is nothing in that plane that F-16C Block-52+ doesn't
already offer.

It's like buying Rafale when you already have EF Typhoon. Like buying F-15C
when you already have Su-30MKI. If PAF wants to waste its money on mulling the
same level of operational capabilities again and again, with no scope of increase,
I have to think the PAF has reached the end of its days.

You hit the nail on that one. The only reason why they are buying J-10B/FC-20 is because the U.S is a very unreliable ally and they don't want to put all their eggs in a single basket. I doubt FC-20 can match the Block 52 even. It certainly isn't an answer to the IAF's heavy hitters, the MKI and Rafale, else the chinese wouldn't be busy with their J-16. They would have dumped the J-16 long ago and went with the J-10 if it was really an equal.

Plus we have Pakistan's cash crunch, and also they have a whole host of absolete interceptors without bvr as well.

F-7MP----------95
F-7PG----------48
Mirage III------98
Total----------241

How are they going to replace 241 fighters? It took them 3 years to induct just around 45 JF-17s jets. They aren't going to get any new F-16s now. And only 36 J-10B if a miracle happens and they scrape funds for it. PAF is still paying the price for mismanagement in the 90s.

 

[Ping]

No wonder they are talking about nuking airbases instead of countering Rafales and MKIs.

 

[Abingdonboy]

No wonder they are talking about nuking airbases instead of countering Rafales and MKIs.

It is interesting how the Pakistanis see the Rafale as sub a big threat they want to nuke them!!

 

[SamantK]

It is interesting how the Pakistanis see the Rafale as sub a big threat they want to nuke them!!

From the perspective of a non-military background person, it seems that Pakistan does not have anything presently or to look forward in the near future to counter these birds...

 

[Abingdonboy]

From the perspective of a non-military background person, it seems that Pakistan does not have anything presently or to look forward in the near future to counter these birds...

This would seem to be the logical conclusion but to be fair national pride is understandable and you cans we why some Pakistanis would find this hard to swallow.

 

[SamantK]

This would seem to be the logical conclusion but to be fair national pride is understandable and you cans we why some Pakistanis would find this hard to swallow.

Facts speak louder. When we say that China is superior to us we accept our shortcomings, no point in bringing jingoistic pride...

 

[帅的一匹]

J-10 is the chinese F-16. There is nothing in that plane that F-16C Block-52+ doesn't
already offer.

It's like buying Rafale when you already have EF Typhoon. Like buying F-15C
when you already have Su-30MKI. If PAF wants to waste its money on mulling the
same level of operational capabilities again and again, with no scope of increase,
I have to think the PAF has reached the end of its days.

Where is your confidence coming from dare you say like this one. No ground, no specification.........

 

[帅的一匹]

lol wtf are nukes doing in a Rafale thread? hahaha Pakistanis are tactfully accepting that their JF-17s, a few F-16s and about to be acquired J-10s are no match for IAF and they plan to take out rafales even before they get the chance to get airborne. So typical!

Nuke deterance is an effective way to counter India for Pakistan, every one should admit that. Dont compare with Pakistan, compare with China if you want to prove we are at same level.