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[BL33D]

Take it with a big chunk of salt. This type of China bashing isn't new. FaLunGong has been doing it for a very long time. They simply make use of the closeness of Chinese government to spread lies in the rest of the world. Since that is all you are going to hear, you are more likely to believe.

Then why doesnt china allow press freely to interview and look at those camps if it has nothing to hide, dont give that whole conspiracy against china narrative, it wont be a topic if it didnt have any truth to it.

I am glad you are not running Pakistan’s foreign policy.

If you mean someone who is strong enough to stand for their priciple, yes youre right.He is one of the most unbiased persons on here, he bashes India on any opportunity but doesnt spare his countries allies for their wrong doings.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

But dont you think by then, lets assume 2050, uighurs wouldnt even be there, if so they would have been radically changed, culture mostly demolished like what happen in tibet. China is too overpowering and implements things pretty fast. The muslim community might not have time in the long run.

do we have another choice?

 

[nang2]

But dont you think by then, lets assume 2050, uighurs wouldnt even be there, if so they would have been radically changed, culture mostly demolished like what happen in tibet. China is too overpowering and implements things pretty fast. The muslim community might not have time in the long run.

First of all, don't be too egotistic about your own culture or Muslim culture, however you define it. Muslims have been adapting themselves in every community they go to. It is more natural and more often to have culture melting than culture conquest. This happens everywhere, including China. Chinese Muslims will have their own distinct marks than Muslims in other countries. But they have endured for thousands of years and they will continue to exist.

Second, being egotistic has consequences. Demanding things to be in your ways, regardless how people live near-by think, will have backlashes. That is what Uyghurs are facing now. I am not a fan of Chinese Communists but I am also not a fan of Uyghur independence movement. Chinese communists are simply stupid and pro-independence Uyghurs are simply vicious. Things won't be pretty when those two collide.

 

[beijingwalker]

But dont you think by then, lets assume 2050, uighurs wouldnt even be there, if so they would have been radically changed, culture mostly demolished like what happen in tibet. China is too overpowering and implements things pretty fast. The muslim community might not have time in the long run.

Hui Muslim have been all across China in every city, town, village and street for 1000 years, they are argubly the most successful minority group in China, how can you say Muslims in Chna have no time?

 

[BL33D]

do we have another choice?

No you dont, youre too dependent on them to have any say. Thank god, you lost 1971 or else you guys would be heavily dependent on India and couldnt have criticized India the way you do now. Dodged a bullet.

 

[nang2]

Then why doesnt china allow press freely to interview and look at those camps if it has nothing to hide, dont give that whole conspiracy against china narrative, it wont be a topic if it didnt have any truth to it.


If you mean someone who is strong enough to stand for their priciple, yes youre right.He is one of the most unbiased persons on here, he bashes India on any opportunity but doesnt spare his countries allies for their wrong doings.

You may be too naive to remark like that. Don't you know that mind sees what it wants to see? Free to interview only gives those with deep bias and vicious agenda an invitation to look for "wrongs".

 

[BL33D]

First of all, don't be too egotistic about your own culture or Muslim culture, however you define it. Muslims have been adapting themselves in every community they go to. It is more natural and more often to have culture melting than culture conquest. This happens everywhere, including China. Chinese Muslims will have their own distinct marks than Muslims in other countries. But they have endured for thousands of years and they will continue to exist.

Second, being egotistic has consequences. Demanding things to be in your ways, regardless how people live near-by think, will have backlashes. That is what Uyghurs are facing now. I am not a fan of Chinese Communists but I am also not a fan of Uyghur independence movement. Chinese communists are simply stupid and pro-independence Uyghurs are simply vicious. Things won't be pretty when those two collide.

I will conquer the first part that you should adapt to the law of the land. But are you saying putting them in camps and destroying the mosques is how you want to integrate them. Dont even deny that you guys arent involved in widespread mosque demolition. We have satellite records.

You may be too naive to remark like that. Don't you know that mind sees what it wants to see? Free to interview only gives those with deep bias and vicious agenda an invitation to look for "wrongs".

So suggest me an alternative ? Just trust Chinas words ?

 

[nang2]

I will conquer the first part that you should adapt to the law of the land. But are you saying putting them in camps and destroying the mosques is how you want to integrate them. Dont even deny that you guys arent involved in widespread mosque demolition. We have satellite records.

As I said, you cannot always have the things in your way. There is always some give-and-take. Why mosque demolition is such a bad thing? China is a crowded country. Mosque building means it often needs to demolish something else on that site. Have you even given a slightest thought about what demolishing that makes other people feel? Not everyone is a fan or friendly towards Islam, considering so many negative news around the world.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

No you dont, youre too dependent on them to have any say. Thank god, you lost 1971 or else you guys would be heavily dependent on India and couldnt have criticized India the way you do now. Dodged a bullet.

we were never dependent on india even then kid!

 

[BL33D]

we were never dependent on india even then kid!

Didnt i say "would be". If you would need indian roads and air space to move to the other half of your country, its safe to say you would be dependent

As I said, you cannot always have the things in your way. There is always some give-and-take. Why mosque demolition is such a bad thing? China is a crowded country. Mosque building means it often needs to demolish something else on that site. Have you even given a slightest thought about what demolishing that makes other people feel? Not everyone is a fan or friendly towards Islam, considering so many negative news around the world.

Oh yes there is a lot of negative attached to Islam, but demolition of mosques and putting them in camps is the best way to solve that, my oh my, i always respected chinese brains in science and tech and warfare. truly. but your social and humanitarian thoughts are utterly lacking.

 

[nang2]

So suggest me an alternative ? Just trust Chinas words ?

No, but Pakistan, if it becomes a serious concern, can ask nicely and secretly to have a tour or visit. China is always open for discussion when it feels not threatened. Chinese often have face issue. Don't expect to get anything from Chinese by making them lose face. But for you, as a regular citizen, you may not have the privilege and you have to channel your concern via your government and get information through them.

 

[BL33D]

No, but Pakistan, if it becomes a serious concern, can ask nicely and secretly to have a tour or visit. China is always open for discussion when it feels not threatened. Chinese often have face issue. Don't expect to get anything from Chinese by making them lose face. But for you, as a regular citizen, you may not have the privilege and you have to channel your concern via your government and get information through them.

Thats really suspicious for the world that you would do secret visit, almost like what happens in DPRK where you are shown all happy and colourful life on their state tours, you wouldnt agree to that propaganda right, so how do you think anyone would trust such thing from you. The easiest would be to allow people to visit the region like rest of the world. if there is nothing wrong, the west would be utterly shamed.

 

[nang2]

Oh yes there is a lot of negative attached to Islam, but demolition of mosques and putting them in camps is the best way to solve that, my oh my, i always respected chinese brains in science and tech and warfare. truly. but your social and humanitarian thoughts are utterly lacking.

Now, I have to say you are an idiot. Putting them in camps has nothing to do with Islam, unless you like to associate Islam with terrorism. Any group of people who are challenging the law enforcement and threatening the order of societies may be treated with such a measure, regardless who they are, Uyghurs, Tibetans or FaLunGong followers.

Thats really suspicious for the world that you would do secret visit, almost like what happens in DPRK where you are shown all happy and colourful life on their state tours, you wouldnt agree to that propaganda right, so how do you think anyone would trust such thing from you. The easiest would be to allow people to visit the region like rest of the world. if there is nothing wrong, the west would be utterly shamed.

Let me elaborate why I say you are an idiot. It is the best term I may give for I am not yet convinced that you are vicious but it is getting closer. You are an idiot because you misinterpret my words and apply them to something irrelevant and far-fetched. If you are doing so on purpose, you are not an idiot. You are a vicious person.

 

[BL33D]

Now, I have to say you are an idiot. Putting them in camps has nothing to do with Islam, unless you like to associate Islam with terrorism. Any group of people who are challenging the law enforcement and threatening the order of societies may be treated with such a measure, regardless who they are, Uyghurs, Tibetans or FaLunGong followers.


Let me elaborate why I say you are an idiot. It is the best term I may give for I am not yet convinced that you are vicious but it is getting closer. You are an idiot because you misinterpret my words and apply them to something irrelevant and far-fetched. If you are doing so on purpose, you are not an idiot. You are a vicious person.

So you decided you cant possibly respond and would rather make word salad. Fine by me.

 

[nang2]

So you decided you cant possibly respond and would rather make word salad. Fine by me.

Sorry, it is you who make word salad, a terrible one if you ask me.