ALL Xinjiang related issues e.g. uyghur people, development, videos etc, In here please.

[fisher1]

Reading the responses of some Pakistanis in this thread, i am sure of one thing.

If India was giving money to Pakistan, these people would call Kashmir and what's happening in India as India's problem too and call Kashmiris separatists who should be dealt with iron fist.

Despicable.

India and Israel should take note. The key to silencing the Muslim world and buying the souls of majority of Muslims is money. Just throw some money and see how their eyes go blind.

 

[LeGenD]

"Called out" like that whitewashing of hyporcrisy in the organized Western propaganda as some individuals mishappen "decission" you just tried to pass of as proof of being "impartial".

Well, genius, now I quoted two examples contradicting what you try to suggest your single backed up token post disproves.


Sound like you just want to disregard the biggest group who has interest to refute and call out your biased and dishonest Western propaganda lies and distorted narratives, because your agenda isnt about any sort of treatment of Muslims in China and dont care what really happens to them.

Its funny how you manage to flip flop between accussing others of bias and and denying selective judgement on your only to express the most blatant bias and selective judgement a second later or at the same time.


Yeah like you usual almost daily routine of unobjective China bashing is what was it again? "Just tying to be objective"? lol.

Western hypocrisy is not an excuse for ignoring Chinese hypocrisy in regards to treatment of Muslims. But you are not smart enough to realize this.

 

[mike2000 is back]

So after your logic, what India does to Kashmiris and their Muslim population, Israel does to Palestinians, and Myanmar does to Rohingya is also based on Western pay masters and the world should ignore it, right?

Buddy you can't cry about Kashmiris etc. and play "three monkeys" when it comes to Uyghurs, that is HYPOCRISY.
What in Sincan happens is not a Turkic or Muslim issue it's a humanitarian issue first.

China called Islam "mentally illness", just saying before you bombard me again with non relevant examples, only to please your business friends.

I'm out.

To be honest, China has been one of Pakistan's staunchest ally for a while now and they have provided the country with alot of aid and equipments/support etc. So i think it's normal for Pakistanis to have a favourable impression of China and to consequently support them. That's the rational thing to do.
However if you want to look at things from a religious perspective then that's something else. Only those that are abit too religious would look past their country's interests and go ahead to publicly condemn China for oppressing their Islamic brethren , since for them Islam transcends borders and has no borders. This is also a major problem, since the argument of 'their country their rules' becomes null and void. Therein also lies the problem with religion and religious scriptures and their followers, since if you want to be an ardent follower and believer that lives by the scriptures, then you will be in alot of trouble/conflict with many countries out there(including ones that are your allies/close to your interests. lol), so you will have to get involved in their own internal affairs(especially when it concerns your own brothers in religion). Therein lies the dilemma.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Reading the responses of some Pakistanis in this thread, i am sure of one thing.

If India was giving money to Pakistan, these people would call Kashmir and what's happening in India as India's problem too and call Kashmiris separatists who should be dealt with iron fist.

Despicable.

India and Israel should take note. The key to silencing the Muslim world and buying the souls of majority of Muslims is money. Just throw some money and see how their eyes go blind.

Try it. We'll take the money AND Kashmir.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Reading the responses of some Pakistanis in this thread, i am sure of one thing.

If India was giving money to Pakistan, these people would call Kashmir and what's happening in India as India's problem too and call Kashmiris separatists who should be dealt with iron fist.

Despicable.

India and Israel should take note. The key to silencing the Muslim world and buying the souls of majority of Muslims is money. Just throw some money and see how their eyes go blind.

LOL Many humans are like that i believe. I don't see why you should be surprise. Money, wealth, interests make the world go round in this era.

 

[Globenim]

Western hypocrisy is not an excuse for ignoring Chinese hypocrisy in regards to treatment of Muslims. But you are not smart enough to realize this.

Your Western lies, hypocrite ones at that, are not an excuse to call China "hypocrite" in regards to anything. But we know you are smart enough to know that and just struggling to keep the farce behind this anti China propaganda up with dishonest flailing and doubling down with the bullshit.

 

[vostok]

I suppose there are no opression of Muslims in China, there are some troubles with Uighurs. Many of them were brainwashed by pseudo-Islamic terrorists organizations, same as people in Afganistan, Lybia, Sirya, Russian Northern Caucasus, former Soviet Central Asia and other places. I am glad China dealing with those poor people by education them that terrorism is not the best way to spend their lifes - it is better to get good profession and become successful and rich member of society.
And I am glad that many countries rise their word of support of Chinese noble attempts to stop those people from becoming a fuel of Western backed pseudo-Islamic destroying of nations and states.

 

[fisher1]

LOL Many humans are like that i believe. I don't see why you should be surprise. Money, wealth, interests make the world go round in this era.

I am surprised because growing up, all i have heard is oh look the oppression on Kashmiris, oh look the oppression on Palestinians. Then to see the cold shoulder the same people give to Uighurs is just shocking, it's the height of hypocrisy.

Go around in this forum and you will see Pakistanis fighting Indians and crying for Kashmiris but it's all just a facade, isn't it? They don't really give a crap about Muslims.

If you're against oppression, you will speak up against it doesn't matter who is doing it.

I will admit i am relatively new to this forum and this kind of hypocrisy is new to me. Was i a effin idiot to think Pakistani would stand up of all people, their religion orders them too.

I guess not even a nuclear bomb can give courage to the cowardly. Disappointing.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

I am surprised because growing up, all i have heard is oh look the oppression on Kashmiris, oh look the oppression on Palestinians. Then to see the cold shoulder the same people give to Uighurs is just shocking, it's the height of hypocrisy.

Go around in this forum and you will see Pakistanis fighting Indians and crying for Kashmiris but it's all just a facade, isn't it? They don't really give a crap about Muslims.

If you're against oppression, you will speak up against it doesn't matter who is doing it.

I will admit i am relatively new to this forum and this kind of hypocrisy is new to me. Was i a effin idiot to think Pakistani would stand up of all people, their religion orders them too.

I guess not even a nuclear bomb can give courage to the cowardly. Disappointing.

Is it possible that giving a "crap about Muslims" isn't quite so simplistic as you assert? Maybe wanting Muslims to not be tricked and exploited is also a way of supporting them?

 

[mike2000 is back]

I suppose there are no opression of Muslims in China, there are some troubles with Uighurs. Many of them were brainwashed by pseudo-Islamic terrorists organizations, same as people in Afganistan, Lybia, Sirya, Russian Northern Caucasus, former Soviet Central Asia and other places. I am glad China dealing with those poor people by education them that terrorism is not the best way to spend their lifes - it is better to get good profession and become successful and rich member of society.
And I am glad that many countries rise their word of support of Chinese noble attempts to stop those people from becoming a fuel of Western backed pseudo-Islamic destroying of nations and states.

You made some good points. But how does the West radicalise Chinese Uygurs muslims? lol The West isn't even Islamic. Moreover, do you mean other muslim countries like Turkey who have been supportive of the Uygurs issues are Pseudo Muslim countries?lol
Or you mean Saudi Arabia is the Western backed Pseudo Muslim country fuelling the Uygurs? Because if that's what you mean then you couldn't be more wrong, just ask Chinese members on here. KSA(along with some few gulf states) has been one of the staunchest supporter of China's policies in Xijiang. Others like Indonesia who have criticised China's policies in Xijiang against the Uygurs. So are they also Western backed Pseudo Islamic country who are pushed by the West to condemn China? etc. There are many other countries i can go on and on who have either taken China's stance, remain neutral or silent or speak up against.
So tell me exactly which countries you refer to when you say western backed Pseudo Islamic countries. Please tell me who are the 'REAL MUSLIM' countries.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1149801298511839232

The expression on Uighurs face if they could get to know about this would be like

With friends like these, who needs enemies?

But humanity still has hope and this world hasn't become hell yet. 22 countries spoke against the oppression just not a single Muslim one.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/07/10/un-unprecedented-joint-call-china-end-xinjiang-abuses

So what? China's alliance with Pakistan is FAR MORE sacred and deeper than ANY relationship we have with ALL other non-Pakistani Muslims. China's internal matters are of no concern to outsiders.

Also, the above article is FAR TOO melodramatic. It's not as if China is killing Muslims like the americans have. The Americans have killed millions of Muslims yet the whole world has stood silent. Why are no Muslims or Muslim nations condemning the Americans for the genocide of nearly 4 million Muslims since 1990?

Once again, that's irrelevant to the discussion.

The Muslim holocaust in China is real.

What West have done or do in other areas is irrelevant to the very horrible oppression China is doing.

And sadly this is a tactic that Pro-China people are using.

Issue of Uighurs come up. Oh look how West has done horrible to Muslims therefore, we can conclude that they're lying about Uighurs and have an agenda to dismantle China.

That's a very weak way to defend Chinese oppression.

These two are separate issues and one doesn't refute or prove another.

How many Uighers have been killed in this holocaust? If what you say is true then please remember to post the links to the evidence, right here. If not then it means you're being indian about the whole thing and spreading lies and extreme misinformation.

 

[vostok]

You made some good points. But how does the West radicalise Chinese Uygurs muslims? lol The West isn't even Islamic. Moreover, do you mean other muslim countries like Turkey who have been supportive of the Uygurs issues are Pseudo Muslim countries?lol
Or you mean Saudi Arabia is the Western backed Pseudo Muslim country fuelling the Uygurs? Because if that's what you mean then you couldn't be more wrong, just ask Chinese members on here. KSA(along with some few gulf states) has been one of the staunchest supporter of China's policies in Xijiang. Others like Indonesia who have criticised China's policies in Xijiang against the Uygurs. So are they also Western backed Pseudo Islamic country who are pushed by the West to condemn China? etc. There are many other countries i can go on and on who have either taken China's stance, remain neutral or silent or speak up against.
So tell me exactly which countries you refer to when you say western backed Pseudo Islamic countries. Please tell me who are the 'REAL MUSLIM' countries.

I have written "pseudo-Islamic organizations" not countries. May be you do not know but West have supported some ugly pseudo-Islamic organizations in Afganistan, in Libya, in Syria, in former Yugoslavia, in Russian Muslim regions, and in Western China, too.

 

[Crystal-Clear]

Here: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/brit...erence-on-press-freedom.626295/#post-11616270

I do not have selective judgement actually - I try not to be a hypocrite.

China is a totalitarian society where state is supreme. They don't care about Islam or religious freedom. This isn't to say that Muslims do not do well in China (many do) but what is happening in Xinjiang is indeed a matter of grave concern.

The so-called Muslim Ummah should have unanimously supported the call for UN-led investigation in Xinjiang in regards to treatment of Muslims in there.

Saab bikkey huey hain - spineline shameless leaders. You expect these buffoons to sort out Kashmir and Palestine? Allah Almighty does not help hypocrites.

Now tell me about any Western country which have put Muslims in concentration camps and relabelled them as education centers.

whatever you say . the fact is .
China didnt attack any Muslim countries and slaughter millions .
but usa did/doing that either directly or indirectly .

 

[Nilgiri]

I support and love my uygur brothers lets be honest. Turkey is not going to go to war with China.

The reason why Turkey is also not going fully into China's internal problems because China does not go into Turkey's internal problems.

Pushing China away does not help Turkey at all especially in a precarious region like the Middle East.

Erdogan is actually right Turkey and China's relations date back centuries. Ottoman Empire's made muskets made it into China while Chinese silk and other resources like gunpowder made its way into Turkey.

The west constantly bickers about Turkey all the time you do not get that with China. Look at this way China deals with other countries in a pragmatic way while the West constantly bickers.

Turkey policy on it is fair for sure. All the countries that just stick to neutral position on it (i.e neither support the West, nor China "factions" at UN) to best balance the geopolitics is probably the fairest smartest policy.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1149801298511839232

The expression on Uighurs face if they could get to know about this would be like

With friends like these, who needs enemies?

But humanity still has hope and this world hasn't become hell yet. 22 countries spoke against the oppression just not a single Muslim one.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/07/10/un-unprecedented-joint-call-china-end-xinjiang-abuses

CJ Werleman is a CIA puppet who is trying in influence the thought patterns of American Muslims. This why our Muslim politicians and “leaders” loyal to the West quote him regularly.

Where is your solution to the 1 million Muslims who are suffering? Or "Screw them", just because their freedom and rights to live as they wish are no longer in fashion anymore? And we will take the side of the oppressor just because its more beneficial to us?

We don’t have to walk the Western blueprints to speak up for Uyghurs.

There is a time and place for everything.

We can still talk to China and resolve these differences without turning them hostile towards us.

this uygur thing is mostly exaggerated.......mostly from usual suspects like BBC etc....

and u need to read my post again, this isnt what im talking abt..... im talking abt their own credibility, the ones who r inventors of this Anti Muslim and Islam attitude! Ever Since Crusades fought 1000 years ago to Spain happened 500 years ago to Colonialism followed afterwards to Israel's inception to the Afghan Jihad to this war on Terror. And now to the New Zealand terrorist Attack where the attacker had filmed it and live streamed on his facebook account and 51 people had died there and 9 were Pakistanis! most from one Nationality in that attack.

And now these same western judochristian countries have come here to talk abt China and Uighurs with us, who had no history of any anti Muslim activity ever in their civilizational history, but now are brainwashed themselves after seeing their western media who has consistently created this deeply entranched hatred of Islam and Muslims in the Whole World just look at Myanmar, Mainland India, Latin America, Australia, New Zealand even Japan! Now any non muslim and non western citizen seeing such media, what u think he is be thinking abt Islam? since their media has global reach and has global presence through internet and now they expect us to comply with them? HOW LAUGHABLE!

This Hatred of Islam is REAL IN WEST! and nobody but them are responsible for that

What have they for Muslims to begin with? what is their own credibility to begin with? NOBODY IS STUPID IN THIS WORLD ANYMORE!

THEY DESTROYED THEIR CREDIBILITY AND NOW THEY R SEEN AS OUR ENEMIES! NOW NOBODY GIVE A F ABOUT THEM OR WHAT THEY SAY. THEY NEED TO LOOK INWARDS AND ITS THEM NOBODY ELSE WHO REQUIRE A COMPLETE TRANSFORMATION FROM WITHIN!

THEY HAVE BROUGHT THIS DAY ON THEMSELVES NOBODY ELSE CAN BE BLAMED FOR. AS FOR WORLD IS CONCERN, THEY KNOW SUN HAS SET ON WESTERN CIVILIZATION, AND NOW THEY ARE ALSO FEELING ISOLATED AND LEARNING IT THE HARD WAY.

Great post.

I salute your sound analysis.

Everything is in its own context, and this Uyghur issue is in the context of Western fears of China’s rise and its alliance with Muslims.

They fear they will lose the power to subjugate Muslims as then we have other options besides the West.