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[Indos]

You didn't answer my question. There are ten ethnic Muslim groups in China. But for argument sake let's focus on the largest group the Hui. Is Hui culture forced to follow the Han culture? If your answer is yes, then your knowledge is limited. Why do the Uighurs in large numbers hate all other Muslim groups? Integrating with society doesn't mean following the Han culture. It means co-existing with your neighbours and not having prejudices based upon ethnicities. Lets ask @beijingwalker. Do the people of Dai who come from Yunnan province or Hui follow Han culture?

You need to read this

Chinese official says 'sinicization' of religion in Xinjiang must go on

SHANGHAI (Reuters) - The “sinicization” of religion must be upheld to promote ethnic solidarity and religious harmony, a senior Chinese official has said in the troubled western region of Xinjiang, which is home to a large Muslim population.

China’s state-run Xinhua news agency on Saturday quoted You Quan, head of the ruling Communist Party’s United Front Work Department, which oversees ethnic and religious affairs, as making the remarks on a visit to Xinjiang this week.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...religion-in-xinjiang-must-go-on-idUSKCN1MN0P9

 

[beijingwalker]

@beijingwalker[/USER]. Do the people of Dai who come from Yunnan province or Hui follow Han culture?

Hui people in Beijing are very similar to Han people, they don't eat pork though, but Hui people from Hui Muslim regions strictly follow Islamic way of life, one of my best childhood friend told me that Hui people from Ningxia Hui province call them “东土回回” （eastern Hui） and they don't think eastern Hui are authentic Hui and kind of look down on them.
Hui Muslims were the main force of ruling Xinjiang during Qing dynasty and ROC administrations, and during those time they were pretty heavy handed, so there is a feud running between Hui Muslim and Uighurs, without a central government, they will be at each other's throats the very next day, Hui people are renowned fearless warriors, they formed some of the toughest Chinese force fighting Japanese during WWII, China's defence minister during that time 白崇禧 was a Hui general, many Hui generals became household name war heros during the war.

In late 1940's, there was an Uighur independent movement in Xinjiang, some Uighurs insurgencies delared independence, Kazaks wanted to remain with China so Kazak forces started waging wars against Uighurs led by Kazak warlord 乌斯曼, Kazaks had fewer people but were better fighters, they killed many Uighurs including some prominant Uighur leaders, Uighurs and Kazaks are two feuding opposing forces in Xinjiang, they were never friends.

I don't know much about Dai (Thai) people, never met one.

 

[Rasengan]

You need to read this

Chinese official says 'sinicization' of religion in Xinjiang must go on

SHANGHAI (Reuters) - The “sinicization” of religion must be upheld to promote ethnic solidarity and religious harmony, a senior Chinese official has said in the troubled western region of Xinjiang, which is home to a large Muslim population.

China’s state-run Xinhua news agency on Saturday quoted You Quan, head of the ruling Communist Party’s United Front Work Department, which oversees ethnic and religious affairs, as making the remarks on a visit to Xinjiang this week.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...religion-in-xinjiang-must-go-on-idUSKCN1MN0P9

I have read the article. The western media is very good at manipulating words. Mr Quan never used the word sinicization of the Muslim faith in Xinjiang. This is a term used by Reuters who were giving a conjecture rather than a fact.

What did Mr Quan say? "The party's leadership over the religious work must be upheld." The translation I can tell was bad. But for argument sake what is he referring to? The answer is given in the next sentence. "Infiltration of extremism must be guarded against." Nothing wrong with this idea. Religious extremism must be stopped its a plague.

What did Mr Quan say next? "That people in religious circles can inherit and carry forward the fine traditions to love the motherland, and their faith, lead religious believers to follow the faith and abide by the law and contribute to the healthy development of Islam." Nothing wrong with this statement. His words confirm the idea that you can be a Muslim and still love China.

Hui people in Beijing are very similar to Han people, they don't eat pork though, but Hui people from Hui Muslim regions strictly follow Islamic way of life, one of my best childhood friend told me that Hui people from Ningxia Hui province call them “东土回回” （eastern Hui） and they don't eastern Hui are not authentic Hui and kind of look down on them.
Hui Muslims were the main force of ruling Xinjiang during Qing dynasty and ROC administrations, and during those time they were pretty heavy handed, so there is a feud running between Hui Muslim and Uighurs, without a central government, they will be at each other's throats the very next day, Hui people are renowned fearless warriors, they formed some of the toughest Chinese force fighting Japanese during WWII, China's defence minister during that time 白崇禧 was a Hui generals, many Hui generals became household name war heros during the war.

In late 1940's, there was an Uighur independent movement in Xinjiang, some Uighurs insurgencies delared independence, Kazak wanted to remain with China so Kazak forces started waging wars against Uighurs led by Kazak warlord 乌斯曼, Kazaks had fewer people but were better fighters, they killed many Uighurs including some prominant Uighur leaders, Uighurs and Kazaks are two feuding opposing forces in Xinjiang, they were never friends.

Thank you for pointing this out brother. I am familiar with many of the things you have said. But Pakistani people and foreigners, in general, are ignorant on this issue.

 

[beijingwalker]

Tajiks in China are being called the most patriotic people in China, the reason they love China so much is largely because the central government offers them a protection umbrella so other Muslim groups can no longer bully them, Tajiks have far fewer population than other Muslim groups in Xinjiang and had a abysmal history of having their people sold into slavery by other Muslim groups in Xinjiang.

https://www.baidu.com/s?wd=塔吉克族最爱国的...=utf-8&tn=baiduhome_pg&rsv_enter=1&rsv_sug3=1

 

[Indos]

I have read the article. The western media is very good at manipulating words. Mr Quan never used the word sinicization of the Muslim faith in Xinjiang. This is a term used by Reuters who were giving a conjecture rather than a fact.

Another one:

Advisers hail sinicization of religions

By Cao Siqi Source:Global Times Published: 2019/3/10

Religious integration in socialist society key to harmony, says expert

Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC) members from religious circles hold a joint conference on Thursday in Beijing during the two sessions. Photo: Cao Siqi/GT

Chinese political advisers from five main religions hailed the country's efforts to promote social stability and vowed to continue adhering to the sinicization of religions and make greater efforts to better integrate religions into the socialist society.

In a panel discussion during the second session of the 13th National Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC), Wang Yang, chairman of the CPPCC National Committee, said that religious issues have a bearing on social harmony, ethnic solidarity and national security, the Xinhua News Agency reported.

He spoke of the need to raise awareness of the rule of law to maintain harmony and stability in religious circles, and ensure religions better adapt themselves to socialist society, Xinhua reported.

At the panel discussion, Zhan Ru, deputy head of the China Buddhist Association and a CPPCC member, said that Chinese Buddhist culture is a window for the world to understand Chinese culture and Chinese religion.

Taking Buddhism as a platform for dialogue, it is important to strengthen the internal harmony of Chinese religions and promote exchanges between Chinese Buddhism and world Buddhism.

Adiljang Ajikrim, deputy head of the China Islamic Association, said that 2019 is the key to implementing the five-year (2018-22) outline on the sinicization of Islam and the key to the direction is to construct the Islamic doctrine system with Chinese characteristics and cultivate high-quality talent.

He suggested that the government continue to unify the compilation and publishing textbooks for China's Islamic institutes and strengthen the interpretation of the doctrines in multiple platforms and channels.

Yang Faming, head of the China Islamic Association, told the China News Service that upholding the direction of sinicization of religion should correctly understand the relationship between national laws and religious regulations.

Yang said the association has drafted a regulation on Islamic personnel's code of conduct.

In a joint conference held on Thursday, Dai Junfeng, the head of the Islamic Association in Kunming, Southwest China's Yunnan Province and a CPPCC member, also vowed to explore more paths for the sinicization of Islam.

Dai told the Global Times that during the past year, his association has been implementing the initiative advocated by the China Islamic Association, which urged nationwide Islamic associations to raise the national flag at mosques, require religious personnel to study the Chinese Constitution, socialist core values and traditional Chinese culture.

His association has established a district to demonstrate national unity and progress, and integrate the study of classic doctrines with socialist core values, he said.

Huang Zhi'an, deputy head of the Taoism Association of China, said that Taoism is the native religion of China.

However, the religion has been lacking vitality for the years. "The key to solving this problem is to train a group of top Taoist talent," Huang told the Global Times.

Shen Bin, deputy head of the Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association, also said that Catholicism has been experiencing ups and downs after being introduced to China because the local churches failed to implement the principle of independence and self-management, and didn't integrate with Chinese culture.

The Catholic Church in China needs to adhere to the leadership of the Communist Party of China, uphold the direction of sinicization and strengthen the implementation of the Regulation on Religious Affairs, Shen said.

Zhang Keyun, deputy head of China Christian Council, stressed the need to build a mechanism for religious work in rural areas, strengthen management in accordance with the law and guide the exploration of the sinicization of Christianity.

Kan Baoping, deputy head of the Three-Self Patriotic Movement Committee of the Protestant Church in China, stressed the need to unite Christians in China to resist external infiltration and walk on the path of loving the country and the church.

In September 2017, leaders from the five religious communities reached a consensus at a forum, "Chinese culture and religious sinicization," in Beijing. They agreed that "the direction of religions is to integrate with Chinese culture."

In March 2018, the Christian community announced the implementation of a five-year outline, which requires the community to strengthen the theological foundation for the sinicization of Christianity.

Catholic churches passed a draft version of a five-year outline to promote the sinicization of Catholicism in December 2017.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1141560.shtml

 

[Rasengan]

Another one:

You didn't even respond to my first post. There is no point debating if you are going to continue spamming articles without analysing the content. But I will read the article you posted.​

 

[beijingwalker]

Another one:

Advisers hail sinicization of religions

By Cao Siqi Source:Global Times Published: 2019/3/10

Religious integration in socialist society key to harmony, says expert

Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC) members from religious circles hold a joint conference on Thursday in Beijing during the two sessions. Photo: Cao Siqi/GT

Chinese political advisers from five main religions hailed the country's efforts to promote social stability and vowed to continue adhering to the sinicization of religions and make greater efforts to better integrate religions into the socialist society.

In a panel discussion during the second session of the 13th National Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC), Wang Yang, chairman of the CPPCC National Committee, said that religious issues have a bearing on social harmony, ethnic solidarity and national security, the Xinhua News Agency reported.

He spoke of the need to raise awareness of the rule of law to maintain harmony and stability in religious circles, and ensure religions better adapt themselves to socialist society, Xinhua reported.

At the panel discussion, Zhan Ru, deputy head of the China Buddhist Association and a CPPCC member, said that Chinese Buddhist culture is a window for the world to understand Chinese culture and Chinese religion.

Taking Buddhism as a platform for dialogue, it is important to strengthen the internal harmony of Chinese religions and promote exchanges between Chinese Buddhism and world Buddhism.

Adiljang Ajikrim, deputy head of the China Islamic Association, said that 2019 is the key to implementing the five-year (2018-22) outline on the sinicization of Islam and the key to the direction is to construct the Islamic doctrine system with Chinese characteristics and cultivate high-quality talent.

He suggested that the government continue to unify the compilation and publishing textbooks for China's Islamic institutes and strengthen the interpretation of the doctrines in multiple platforms and channels.

Yang Faming, head of the China Islamic Association, told the China News Service that upholding the direction of sinicization of religion should correctly understand the relationship between national laws and religious regulations.

Yang said the association has drafted a regulation on Islamic personnel's code of conduct.

In a joint conference held on Thursday, Dai Junfeng, the head of the Islamic Association in Kunming, Southwest China's Yunnan Province and a CPPCC member, also vowed to explore more paths for the sinicization of Islam.

Dai told the Global Times that during the past year, his association has been implementing the initiative advocated by the China Islamic Association, which urged nationwide Islamic associations to raise the national flag at mosques, require religious personnel to study the Chinese Constitution, socialist core values and traditional Chinese culture.

His association has established a district to demonstrate national unity and progress, and integrate the study of classic doctrines with socialist core values, he said.

Huang Zhi'an, deputy head of the Taoism Association of China, said that Taoism is the native religion of China.

However, the religion has been lacking vitality for the years. "The key to solving this problem is to train a group of top Taoist talent," Huang told the Global Times.

Shen Bin, deputy head of the Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association, also said that Catholicism has been experiencing ups and downs after being introduced to China because the local churches failed to implement the principle of independence and self-management, and didn't integrate with Chinese culture.

The Catholic Church in China needs to adhere to the leadership of the Communist Party of China, uphold the direction of sinicization and strengthen the implementation of the Regulation on Religious Affairs, Shen said.

Zhang Keyun, deputy head of China Christian Council, stressed the need to build a mechanism for religious work in rural areas, strengthen management in accordance with the law and guide the exploration of the sinicization of Christianity.

Kan Baoping, deputy head of the Three-Self Patriotic Movement Committee of the Protestant Church in China, stressed the need to unite Christians in China to resist external infiltration and walk on the path of loving the country and the church.

In September 2017, leaders from the five religious communities reached a consensus at a forum, "Chinese culture and religious sinicization," in Beijing. They agreed that "the direction of religions is to integrate with Chinese culture."

In March 2018, the Christian community announced the implementation of a five-year outline, which requires the community to strengthen the theological foundation for the sinicization of Christianity.

Catholic churches passed a draft version of a five-year outline to promote the sinicization of Catholicism in December 2017.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1141560.shtml

Wrong translation I guess, In Chinese language is 本土化 not 中国化。 sinicization is a very strange word in Chinese language, I don't remember I heard anyone use 中国化(sinicization)
but 本土化 is a common word you always hear, (localization) it doesn't only refer to China, it's a word can be used for all countries.

Global Times needs to hire better translators, they really did a terrible job.

 

[Rasengan]

Another one:

Chinese political advisers from five main religions hailed the country's efforts to promote social stability and vowed to continue adhering to the sinicization of religions and make greater efforts to better integrate religions into the socialist society.

Once again you have proven my point. The Chinese Govt has never said they want the sinicization of religion. This was a term used by five different religious groups. What's wrong with making greater effort to integrate religion into society? The whole point of this exercise is to cause less division. In one shape or form, Sino culture has influenced most of the East Asian Countries. Do Uighur people use chopstick to eat food? That is a Sino culture.

At the panel discussion, Zhan Ru, deputy head of the China Buddhist Association and a CPPCC member, said that Chinese Buddhist culture is a window for the world to understand Chinese culture and Chinese religion.

For some odd reason, you have decided to highlight this point. Mr Zhan Ru is a Buddhists, obviously, his going to glorify his religion and belief system. You do know there are different types of Buddhism. Tibetian Buddhism is very different from the Shaolin Temple and this is different to Thai Buddhism.

Another one:



Yang Faming, head of the China Islamic Association, told the China News Service that upholding the direction of sinicization of religion should correctly understand the relationship between national laws and religious regulations.

Yang said the association has drafted a regulation on Islamic personnel's code of conduct.

In a joint conference held on Thursday, Dai Junfeng, the head of the Islamic Association in Kunming, Southwest China's Yunnan Province and a CPPCC member, also vowed to explore more paths for the sinicization of Islam.

Dai told the Global Times that during the past year, his association has been implementing the initiative advocated by the China Islamic Association, which urged nationwide Islamic associations to raise the national flag at mosques, require religious personnel to study the Chinese Constitution, socialist core values and traditional Chinese culture.

This wasn't translated correctly as mentioned by @beijingwalker. Even if you take these words at face value there's nothing wrong. Its clearly stating that sinicization should take into consideration the relationship between national laws and religious regulations. There has to be a balance between the two. For example, I don't agree with this policy but Chinese law states that Muslim's under the age of 16 can't fast because of school. This is a balance between the law and religion.

 

[beijingwalker]

Thank you for pointing this out brother. I am familiar with many of the things you have said. But Pakistani people and foreigners, in general, are ignorant on this issue.

Xinjiang has 13 ethnic groups, and they don't like each other, without a central government, it can be worse than Afghanistan, if let them fight freely, I guess the Hui will get the upper hand and have the last laugh, whenever Uighurs and Huis went to war in history, Hui always won, Hui people were born warriors, they can always manage to organize a better army when fighting others, but they are also infamous for their cruelty, in 1930's Hui warlord 马步芳 led his troops and completely destroyed a whole Chinese red army and he had almost all captured killed, taking no prisoners. That's why when PLA was winning most part of China and large number of Nationalist army general were surrendering, Mao and other top Communist leaders refused to accept surrender of 马步芳's troop, he fled to Taiwan and died there.

 

[Brainsucker]

You call that hostile? Have you seen how Chinese members shamelessly attack here?

Have you read their off topic posts?
I just caught beijingwalker dragging in Pakistan AGAIN coz he can't answer about US visit to concentration camp while he himself presented foreigners visit to concentration camp from chinese sources. ..but when we use western sources with interviews he drags in Pakistan saudi or any Muslim country he can think off....

Why foreign delegates on chinese paper is acceptable but same foreign delegates on Western paper is propaganda?

Do I represent any Chinese Posters? Or Do their actions represent me? You read my post. Do my posts looks hostile to Pakistan, or Islam? Why you generalize their actions with mine, while I don't generalize itachi's posts to any Pakistani one, even to you? I see Itachi call me False Flagger or Boot Licker. And he's quite hostile to China, including their territorial integrity. so what left that I should say in discussion with him, if there is nothing that can help with any positive result in the process? He has already has his mind and belief. He has already has tell us his intention and his view on China; so why should I bother?

How @beijingwalker react to Itachi's post is up to him. I have sympathy to him, because he just wants to defend his country good name. Maybe his way of defending is not appropriate in your eyes. But that is outside my power to stop. He's represent his own, while I represent mine.

If you ask me which paper is propaganda or which is not, then, to me, they're all propaganda. It's up to you on which paper do you want to believe. For @beijingwalker, of course, it is his own national paper. It's his country. and for you, of course it's up to you.

If you think that China is an oppressive and evil regime, then my question is, why you even care to ally with them? There is no point to do so. Because they're evil, communist, and even Islam Oppressor. Why care about shouting the jargon "All Weather Friend", if you hate them? There is no need a bridge to connect two people, isn't it?

My previous posts always said about compromise and trust, and how Pakistan should influence China in friendly manner to build a bridge of trust; and how that trust can help Muslims in China. If this way of thinking is also not accept-able, then I don't know what to say anymore. And if my post is also be considered as China propaganda, then nothing that I can do.

 

[Rasengan]

In a joint conference held on Thursday, Dai Junfeng, the head of the Islamic Association in Kunming, Southwest China's Yunnan Province and a CPPCC member, also vowed to explore more paths for the sinicization of Islam.

The word @beijingwalker used was localization when translated from Chinese. But this was google translation so even that doesn't define the word correctly. What's wrong in exploring a pathway for Islam to fit in the local region. You do know some of the practices in Pakistan are not seen in the Arab world. For example Qawali. Singing was prominent across India, so the Muslim used that culture to convert millions to Islam.

Xinjiang has 13 ethnic groups, and they don't like each other, without a central government, it can be worse than Afghanistan, if let them fight freely, I guess the Hui will get the upper hand and have the last laugh, whenever Uighurs and Huis went to war in history, Hui always won, Hui people were born warriors, they can always manage to organize a better army when fighting others, but they are also infamous for their cruelty, in 1930's Hui warlord 马步芳 led his troops and completely destroyed a whole Chinese red army and he had almost all captured killed, taking no prisoners. That's why when PLA was winning most part of China and large number of Nationalist army general were surrendering, Mao and other top Communist leaders refused to accept surrender of 马步芳's troop, he fled to Taiwan and died there.

There is a good reason why most Chinese dynasties regarded Xinjiang as the outer region of the Empire. It was always rife with violence.

 

[Rasengan]

Do I represent any Chinese Posters? Or Do their actions represent me? You read my post. Do my posts looks hostile to Pakistan, or Islam? Why you generalize their actions with mine, while I don't generalize itachi's posts to any Pakistani one, even to you? I see Itachi call me False Flagger or Boot Licker. And he's quite hostile to China, including their territorial integrity. so what left that I should say in discussion with him, if there is nothing that can help with any positive result in the process? He has already has his mind and belief. He has already has tell us his intention and his view on China; so why should I bother?

How @beijingwalker react to Itachi's post is up to him. I have sympathy to him, because he just wants to defend his country good name. Maybe his way of defending is not appropriate in your eyes. But that is outside my power to stop. He's represent his own, while I represent mine.

If you ask me which paper is propaganda or which is not, then, to me, they're all propaganda. It's up to you on which paper do you want to believe. For @beijingwalker, of course, it is his own national paper. It's his country. and for you, of course it's up to you.

If you think that China is an oppressive and evil regime, then my question is, why you even care to ally with them? There is no point to do so. Because they're evil, communist, and even Islam Oppressor. Why care about shouting the jargon "All Weather Friend", if you hate them? There is no need a bridge to connect two people, isn't it?

My previous posts always said about compromise and trust, and how Pakistan should influence China in friendly manner to build a bridge of trust; and how that trust can help Muslims in China. If this way of thinking is also not accept-able, then I don't know what to say anymore. And if my post is also be considered as China propaganda, then nothing that I what can I do.

Excellent post. Ignore @Itachi. I value your post on this forum.

 

[beijingwalker]

白崇禧 Bai Chongxi ﺑَﻰْ ﭼْﻮ ثِ‎) Hui China's defence minister in 1940's, War hero against Japan

马步芳 Ma Bufang ما بوفنگ‎) Hui. The most hated Nationalist army General by Mao and his communist army commanders, PLA refused to accept his troops surrender.

 

[Rasengan]

Wang Zi Ping Kung Fu master

 

[beijingwalker]

马步芳 Ma Bufang ما بوفنگ‎) Hui. The most hated Nationalist army General by Mao and his communist army commanders, PLA refused to accept his troops surrender.

This guy also held current Dalai Lama for ransom, he was the acually ruler of west China back then, but no force can match communist force in the end.