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[war&peace]

All Chinese come to this forum are or were very pro Pakistan, we have no reason to attack Pakistan for anything, no Chinese comes to this forum with the intention of picking fight against Pakistan, as for some recent hostility between some posters from both sides against each other, we all know how it started, it was not caused by Chinese posters accusing Pakistan about Pakistani internal affairs, even after Chinese facilities were regularly attacked and some Chinese nationals were kidnapped and killed in Pakistan, Chinese government and posters here were all on the Pakistan's side and supported Pakistan at those difficult times.

So you're saying that just a few members can change your opinion?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Xinjiang disputes did change many Chinese posters views about Pakistan, of course the other way around is also true.

Really, because my viewpoint about China is unchanged. I am still supportive of the government of China.

It will be good to get all the facts out, so that we know what we are dealing with. I hope that China can increase its media presence in the Muslim world and disprove Western allegations.

Most of all, we want to see that freedom of religion is maintained. As long as Muslims are allowed to pray five times daily, keep dietary restrictions, fast in Ramazan, read Quran, have access to authentic religious scholarship and knowledge, go to mosques and religious classes, and wear beard, hijab, niqab, and other religious garb, the rest is the business of China.

If this is not the case, every single Muslim country needs to come together to lobby our friend China to change these rules, including Pakistan.

This issue has the potential to limit China’s geopolitical influence in the Muslim world to just Pakistan, CARs, and SEA. It is a very serious matter.

I sincerely hope this is not the case.

 

[Brainsucker]

We stood behind you in your toughest times and helped you reach detente with the US, while you were facing attacks by USSR.

We helped you establish ties and build a lifeline from your country to the Arabian Sea, giving you secure access to the ME. Malacca straits are dangerous due to US naval pressure.

We cooperated for decades together in containing India and supporting you in Tibet.

Even today, we are defending you against the whole Muslim world and Western propaganda on charges of abusing and detaining Uyghurs.

We are allies, this is not in doubt.

Hope you would see it properly.

Yes. Thats why once again be patient. Like i said in another thread, china and pakistan have a very different in fundamental belief and value. Like it or not, they are a communist country

They burnt all religious worship center in their cultural revolution long time ago. Including their traditional belief like dao and confucius.

Even recently they prosecute fanlun gong that based on daoism teaching. So you cant expect them to accept islam.

The best way you can is to continously influence them with friendly acts. So they will softened and accept your value and belief

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

The best way you can is to continously influence them with friendly acts. So they will softened and accept your value and belief

I think so, as well.

Unfortunately, Western money comes to spoil everything and add violence to another region of the world.

Uyghur Turks, who have been allies and a part of China for hundreds of years, can and will live peacefully with the Chinese again.

They are a friendly and quiet community, and we need to show China and its public that they should not fear Islam and Muslims, but join together with us against our common foes.

We have a shared destiny, which can only be accomplished with cooperation.

 

[Brainsucker]

I think so, as well.

Unfortunately, Western money comes to spoil everything and add violence to another region of the world.

Uyghur Turks, who have been allies and a part of China for hundreds of years, can and will live peacefully with the Chinese again.

They are a friendly and quiet community, and we need to show China and its public that they should not fear Islam and Muslims, but join together with us against our common foes.

We have a shared destiny, which can only be accomplished with cooperation.

Just show China that Islam is not a frightening beast, but a peaceful and helpful buddy. They just opened up recently. By giving Islam some privilege. Like Halal food, some Muslim development in some area, like Xian, etc. You must realize that it is impossible to happen some decade ago in China. So, it is a progress. You shouldn't kill this progress by antagonize them right now. Because it will break everything and return to zero again.

Maybe Uyghur get some inconvenience right now because of the slicer terrorists some years ago. But I'm sure that it will be temporary. Sooner or later, they will come back to their belief, as Uyghur tradition is close to Islam. The point is, Pakistani Friends should encourage cooperation and culture-exchange. And give a friendly push for China to accept that Religions are not monster. To form a bridge between two civilizations. You may lose some old mosques in Uyghur right now. But if everything goes well, the destroyed one will be replaced with more Mosques in all Xinjiang (and maybe more, in all China). it is a good trade, I think.

 

[beijingwalker]

Pakistan is a diverse country!

You will see people of all skin tones /facial features in Pakistan

China is also a very diverse country, from frigid Siberian reindeer herders to tropical elephant tamers, the reason that most people think China is homogeneous is because China has a large ethnic Han population, but minorities if added up are also over 100 million people, more than the population of most countries in this world.

Traveler from Taiwan visits ethnic Russian family in a Russia village in north Xinjiang

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Speak pakhto and urdu. As for looking different then that's your ignorance. Pakistan is not a homogeneous state. The population goes from blonde and blues eyes to black and curly hair.

Regarding your minorities, then everyone knows how communist love their minorities.

Pakistan is a diverse country!

You will see people of all skin tones /facial features in Pakistan

It's like he completely ignored what you said. Wonder how much he gets paid.

 

[Rasengan]

Yes. Thats why once again be patient. Like i said in another thread, china and pakistan have a very different in fundamental belief and value. Like it or not, they are a communist country

They burnt all religious worship center in their cultural revolution long time ago. Including their traditional belief like dao and confucius.

Even recently they prosecute fanlun gong that based on daoism teaching. So you cant expect them to accept islam.

The best way you can is to continously influence them with friendly acts. So they will softened and accept your value and belief

There has never been a communists state in this world because it's a utopia system which all socialists state endeavour to achieve. Its why people like Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky and Mao used the words "We must continue the revolution."

China under no circumstances can be defined as a pure socialists state because capitalism exists. Capitalism in some shape or form will always be at odds with workers right. The Chinese were themselves confused hence why they came up with a new name "Socialism with Chinese characteristics."

They burned all books from religion to Chinese ancient philosophy. One of the things I find fascinating, Chairman Mao didn't stop the cultural revolution but he had an extensive collection of books. Chinese people won't admit this openly, but they regard these events as shameful. But today, in most Chinese formal settings, at least in SOEs, the number one topic is Confucianism even though it's not practised in Govt. Ancient Chinese traditions are emerging across China. Falong Gong was prosecuted because the founder was running a scheme. Naturally, people complained and the Govt had to take action. We don't have to believe the Chinese system and vice versa. We have a common goal, which stems into economics, geo-strategic interests and exchange of ideas. Pakistan will be China's gateway to the Muslim world, just like how Hong Kong is the gateway for western business into mainland China.

 

[Itachi]

You jump more higher than me when I point fingers to your country.

I don't jump anywhere. I could care less of your false assumptions and lies about Pakistan.

So could you tell me why Christian women want to flee Pakistan via marriage? If they are persecuted?

Nope, never happened. Provide a source if it's true.

China wishes to eradicate separatism and diminish the footprint of ALL religions equally in line with its socialist policy.

It does more than that if you look into all the evidence posted by me and Indos in the last 12 pages. The Uyghurs have tried twice in the past to get indepence and did (don't know if once or both times). They were later annexed again by China. Do remember, Xinjiang was annexed by China in the last 300-400 years, just like America was colonized by the Europeans. So the Han Chinese are the invaders and the Uyghurs are the natives, not the other way around.

The Uyghurs have wanted independence because of Chinese policies of brutality, violence, torture and many other nasty stuff.

 

[Brainsucker]

There has never been a communists state in this world because it's a utopia system which all socialists state endeavour to achieve. Its why people like Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky and Mao used the words "We must continue the revolution."

China under no circumstances can be defined as a pure socialists state because capitalism exists. Capitalism in some shape or form will always be at odds with workers right. The Chinese were themselves confused hence why they came up with a new name "Socialism with Chinese characteristics."

They burned all books from religion to Chinese ancient philosophy. One of the things I find fascinating, Chairman Mao didn't stop the cultural revolution but he had an extensive collection of books. Chinese people won't admit this openly, but they regard these events as shameful. But today, in most Chinese formal settings, at least in SOEs, the number one topic is Confucianism even though it's not practised in Govt. Ancient Chinese traditions are emerging across China. Falong Gong was prosecuted because the founder was running a scheme. Naturally, people complained and the Govt had to take action. We don't have to believe the Chinese system and vice versa. We have a common goal, which stems into economics, geo-strategic interests and exchange of ideas. Pakistan will be China's gateway to the Muslim world, just like how Hong Kong is the gateway for western business into mainland China.

Yes, I agree with you. But I have to make some Pakistani Friends here understand. How can they understand and accept what some Chinese Friends here to said, if they don't give any damn understanding that China was, and maybe still a Communist Country that controlled by a Communist Regime. Communism has long gone from China since Deng Xiaoping, but the value still there. And you want them to become a religious country suddenly?

But, although they're communist, there are already many progress in China in term of respecting religion. They have give you some compromise, although they demand some compromise from religion too. Long time ago, specially in Cultural Revolution era, it was impossible for you to practice your religion. Now, you practically can worship your God there. There are many functioning mosques, temples, and churches. Today, you can find halal food, Universities give Islam some privilege, so both Muslim Professors and Students can enjoy halal food from separated canteen, etc. Even Indonesian Muslim Students feel satisfied and enjoy their religious life in China.

Isn't that what you call "PROGRESS" ?

So, I'm with @beijingwalker here.

Most of all, we want to see that freedom of religion is maintained. As long as Muslims are allowed to pray five times daily, keep dietary restrictions, fast in Ramazan, read Quran, have access to authentic religious scholarship and knowledge, go to mosques and religious classes, and wear beard, hijab, niqab, and other religious garb, the rest is the business of China.

It require another progress, bro. But this progress require "Trust" from both side. Without that, no more progress will be happen to both side.

 

[Rasengan]

Yes, I agree with you. But I have to make some Pakistani Friends here understand. How can they understand and accept what some Chinese Friends here to said, if they don't give any damn understanding that China was, and maybe still a Communist Country that controlled by a Communist Regime. Communism has long gone from China since Deng Xiaoping, but the value still there. And you want them to become a religious country suddenly?

But, although they're communist, there are already many progress in China in term of respecting religion. They have give you some compromise, although they demand some compromise from religion too. Long time ago, specially in Cultural Revolution era, it was impossible for you to practice your religion. Now, you practically can worship your God there. There are many functioning mosques, temples, and churches. Today, you can find halal food, Universities give Islam some privilege, so both Muslim Professors and Students can enjoy halal food from separated canteen, etc. Even Indonesian Muslim Students feel satisfied and enjoy their religious life in China.

Isn't that what you call "PROGRESS" ?

So, I'm with @beijingwalker here.



It require another progress, bro. But this progress require "Trust" from both side. Without that, no more progress will be happen to both side.

I agree with your sentiment. Since the open door policy, China has made significant progress in respecting religion. Buddhism is once again flourishing without prosecution, people are practising Daoism and Christianity is making a stamp in the country. Every city has a mosque and halal restaurants. I don't have any problems with the CPC Govt, I have made my views clear how I admire their efficiency and public service. With a big country like China with a large population, you are bound to have some problems.

However, I do have an issue with Chinese members who become emotional. They are representing their country, henceforth instead of throwing mud, they should educate people on the ground reality. When they insult Muslim's, they are essentially attacking 50 Muslim countries and that is a diplomatic catastrophe. The Chinese Govt themselves want to bridge a relationship with the Muslim world. Look how many Pakistani's have defended China on this forum. Only a few individuals were hostile, but this changed the mindset of our Chinese brothers who view the relationship differently. This speaks of weakness, clearly, they need to leave the bubble and learn to see the world not as black and white. The Chinese culture has a long history, of preaching patience, reasoning and behaving with good manners, so they shouldn't forget their roots. But I have made it clear to both Chinese and Pakistani's. Our opinion means nothing, it's worthless because the boss in China is CPC and the boss in Pakistan is the military. They get to decide our future...full stop.

 

[Asimzranger]

Many Pakistan ethnics looks handsome and pretty. Pakistan should support your Hollywood and go to the world stage. The diversity in ethnics and cultures is the fortune for good movies, musics and drama. A prosperous Pakistan has huge potential.

There are many with Pakistani background in hollywood kumail nanjiani from Karachi and Riz Ahmed British Pakistani these are just some examples.

 

[Brainsucker]

I dont think he can comprehend that...For them to have even 5% non Han is a big deal!

Actually, the people that you call as Han is not a single ethnicity. They're more diverse than you think. But they're culturally similar; because they have been sinicized for a very long time, since the old dynasties of China. And Hui Muslim is actually not a single ethnicity, either. There are some Han in them, also. They're Hui because they're Muslim. Hui = Islam, that's why they call Islam as Hui Ciao (Hui religion).

In Han, there are Hakka, Min Nan, Canton, etc.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Actually, the people that you call as Han is not a single ethnicity. They're more diverse than you think. But they're culturally similar; because they have been sinicized for a very long time, since the old dynasties of China. And Hui Muslim is actually not a single ethnicity, either. There are some Han in them, also. They're Hui because they're Muslim. Hui = Islam, that's why they call Islam as Hui Ciao (Hui religion).

In Han, there are Hakka, Min Nan, Canton, etc.

Yes, but no offense, they all look the same.

Yes, we do have preferential treatment for minorities, they didn't even have to comply with China's one child policy in the past.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action_in_China


As much as you get paid.


Most countries do, especially big continental size countries like Russia, China and India.

As free as they could be under a totalitarian regime. Also thay map is complete bullshiz.

 

[beijingwalker]

Yes, but no offense, they all look the same.

Han people from north east China are much taller and fairskinned while from the far south are shorter . darker and look somewhat south eastern Asian.

thay map is complete bullshiz.

Why? Which part of the map you don't agree with?

they cant even pray openly...

What is the "excuse" given to ban prayers?

I started this thread with no intention to demean Pakistan, I didn't even know they were Pakistanis, Pakistani Mod and posters don't have to be that hostile and accuse China in every thread no matter if they are related or not.