ALL Xinjiang related issues e.g. uyghur people, development, videos etc, In here please.

[war&peace]

What're you hinting at here? Come out into the open...don't try to hide your opinion about me.

I have been member since August 2015 and I have never seen a single post from you about the Indian atrocities in IoJ&K, Palestine or India but you are getting hyper and abusive towards Chinese. Even if we take western media reports as factual ( which is NEVER the case), China is not killing anyone...only trying to teach and modify them even though Chinese have got a few things wrong but on the whole they are still better than others and we should communicate to them with love and wisdom.

I really find this height of hypocrisy and suspicious that someone is so vocal for Uygur Muslims but goes totally silent on Kashmir, Palestine, Afghanistan, Syria etc where millions of Muslims have been killed by the NATO and its allies.

 

[Dubious]

Indonesian have also been invited to see the camp and the delegation also not satisfied with the condition. People with religious tendency like having a beard can go to the camp, student cannot pray at camp etc

So basically to qualify as an extremist in China all you have to do is accidentally pray in a public place or even as little as sprouting a beard which SOME Chinese people have difficulty with?

 

[Itachi]

It is good @Itachi that someone is asking tough questions, it needs to be done. I am watching the answers intently, and I am dissatisfied by the reactions.

We are on a defense forum, where geopolitics and issues of human rights comes up often.

Pakistani members also face hard questions from Non-Pakistanis, so Chinese members should come prepared to defend their country in the best possible way.

It is pretty much par for the course in any serious online forum.

Spot on....my intention is not to troll otherwise I would be doing that...


I'm here just to ask the questions that need to be asked and reveal the truth that should be....not spread half truths and lies.

I have been member since August 2015 and I have never seen a single post from about the Indian atrocities in IoJ&K, Palestine or India but you are getting hyper and abusive towards Chinese. Even if we take western media reports as factual (which those are NOT), China is not killing anyone...only trying to teach and modify them even though Chinese have got a few things wrong but on the whole they are oppressors.
I really find this height of hypocrisy and suspicious that someone is so vocal for Uygur Muslims but goes totally silent on Kashmir, Palestine, Afghanistan, Syria etc where millions of Muslims have been killed by the NATO and its allies.

Look in my history, you'll find all that you need to find. If you're accusing me then go on. I have been accused of being a Indian, a CIA agent, a American paid stooge and much more.

I'll add your accusations to the list too.

So basically to qualify as an extremist in China all you have to do is accidentally pray in a public place or even as little as sprouting a beard which SOME Chinese people have difficulty with?

Sadly....yes, anyone that acts like a Muslim or/& talks like a Muslim is a existential threat to the CPC/Chinese govt.....they need (or think they need) a "iron hand" over Xinjiang.

If you didn't know this already, the Chinese govt. has been actively importing Han Chinese to Xinjiang to dilute the Uyghur/other Muslim minority population. That itself signifies mal intent.

 

[war&peace]

So basically to qualify as an extremist in China all you have to do is accidentally pray in a public place or even as little as sprouting a beard which SOME Chinese people have difficulty with?

This is NOT the case because a lot of Muslims in China have beards and they are free to pray and also there are a lot of halal shops but due to the recent wave of terrorism in Xinjxiang, China is trying to "reform" Uyghur people but some of their methods infringe on human rights and freedom but that can easily be solved through discussion. No one should be allowed to ruin the relations. There are a lot of false flaggers on this forum.

 

[Indos]

So basically to qualify as an extremist in China all you have to do is accidentally pray in a public place or even as little as sprouting a beard which SOME Chinese people have difficulty with?

You can read by yourselves, it is Google translate of the Indonesian delegation who has been quoted

"This training center is alleged to be a concentration camp or re-education center," he said.

Junaidi saw the attitude of the Chinese government was inseparable from the trauma of the terror that occurred in the Bamboo Curtain country. The training center contains men and women who are allegedly exposed to radicalism.

"Broadly speaking, it is understood that the Chinese constitution is very easily misinterpreted. So Muslims should not apply their religion well in the public space. So they are not allowed to wear headscarves or prayers in public spaces. If found, (they will be) put in radical groups. Then put in "The vocation camp, (being) considered not nationalist," Junaidi said.

This training center is filled with Uighur Muslims. They were given skills training there. The facts obtained there, the trainees were unable to worship freely in public spaces including the training center.

"If people fast, pray, are considered radical. It is not permissible in the camp. They can only offer prayers, read the Koran if they have returned to their homes. The issue of religion is a personal problem, it should not be shown in the public," he said

"We hope that the Chinese government will give Muslims the opportunity to perform ritual worship on the sidelines of their training. Participants are also entitled to Muslim food. Secondly, the CIA (China Islamic Association) (should be) included in the process of issuing fatwas about radicalism, religious viewpoints. ask and hope that the Chinese Government does not generalize Muslims who carry out worship related to radicalism, "Junaidi said.

https://news.detik.com/berita/d-4447233/usai-kunjungi-muslim-xinjiang-ini-langkah-delegasi-indonesia

 

[war&peace]

I'm here just to ask the questions that need to be asked and reveal the truth that should be....not spread half truths and lies.

That's a blatant lie...all your posts are filled with animosity and judgements. Show me where did you ask the questions?

 

[Itachi]

but that can easily be solved through discussion.

That's where you're gravely mistaken. Anyone that highlights such issues and you yourself know that these issues exist becomes an enemy of China or is asked to "not interfere in internal affairs". Or is threatened to not be traded with, etc etc

So yea, you can try but I already predict that an eye for an eye will solve the situation or at least bring China to talk on the table.

There are a lot of false flaggers on this forum.

Like me?

I'm sure my identity fits with my geo-locations, surely the mods would have found out by now.

That's a blatant lie...all your posts are filled with animosity and judgements. Show me where did you ask the questions?

You are free to look for yourself. The last 10 pages should be enough proof.

 

[OIO]

What will you do?

Fighting nonexistent causes against Pakistan.

Honestly, Chinese members on PDF are the worst examples of their nation. Maybe you guys should go someplace else.

Nothing but loose cannons. What Is the difference between you and Indians?

All I did is normal reaction of what you have done.

Thread is not about Pakistan stop derailing it with your insecurities ....It will be counted as trolling!

only you can troll?
you are intervening Chinese internal affairs, good or bad is not your business, Islam is no special in China.

 

[war&peace]

All I did is normal reaction of what you have done.

Bro, both sides need to be careful, sensitive and wise..otherwise our enemies will succeed. You should learn a little a bit about Islam & Muslims and we should learn a bit about China. And respect is the key.

 

[Itachi]

only you can troll?
you are intervene Chinese internal affairs, good or bad is not your business, Islam is no special in China.

@Dubious see??

They can nuke their whole population if it matters. We must not "interfere in Chinese internal matters....good or bad"

These poor souls don't know that if you live on Earth then you should expect to be critiqued by Earthlings too.

 

[OIO]

You can read by yourselves, it is Google translate of the Indonesian delegation who has been quoted

"This training center is alleged to be a concentration camp or re-education center," he said.

Junaidi saw the attitude of the Chinese government was inseparable from the trauma of the terror that occurred in the Bamboo Curtain country. The training center contains men and women who are allegedly exposed to radicalism.

"Broadly speaking, it is understood that the Chinese constitution is very easily misinterpreted. So Muslims should not apply their religion well in the public space. So they are not allowed to wear headscarves or prayers in public spaces. If found, (they will be) put in radical groups. Then put in "The vocation camp, (being) considered not nationalist," Junaidi said.

This training center is filled with Uighur Muslims. They were given skills training there. The facts obtained there, the trainees were unable to worship freely in public spaces including the training center.

"If people fast, pray, are considered radical. It is not permissible in the camp. They can only offer prayers, read the Koran if they have returned to their homes. The issue of religion is a personal problem, it should not be shown in the public," he said

"We hope that the Chinese government will give Muslims the opportunity to perform ritual worship on the sidelines of their training. Participants are also entitled to Muslim food. Secondly, the CIA (China Islamic Association) is included in the process of issuing fatwas about radicalism, religious viewpoints. ask and hope that the Chinese Government does not generalize Muslims who carry out worship related to radicalism, "Junaidi said.

https://news.detik.com/berita/d-4447233/usai-kunjungi-muslim-xinjiang-ini-langkah-delegasi-indonesia

This report is objective, but no religious actives in public is law, it's not for Islam only.

 

[war&peace]

only you can troll?

Nah, bro, @Dubious is a nice new mod and he is learning. But underneath he is a good person.

you are intervening Chinese internal affairs, good or bad is not your business, Islam is no special in China.

Are you official representative of CPC?

 

[Itachi]

Are you official representative of CPC?

Might be the "false flagger" you're talking about.

 

[OIO]

@Dubious see??

They can nuke their whole population if it matters. We must not "interfere in Chinese internal matters....good or bad"

These poor souls don't know that if you live on Earth then you should expect to be critiqued by Earthlings too.

You jump more higher than me when I point fingers to your country.

 

[war&peace]

You jump more higher than me when I point fingers to your country.

This finger pointing should stop...after all, all fingers are small.