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accuser providing evidence is the bedrock of every country's legal system, it's not crazy, it's the norm. US sanctioned UN court judges for investigating US massive war crimes, and it blocked any investigation into its crime, so china will not take US seriously when US asks China to open it itself up for inspection, especially when it can't even provide one single first hand concrete proof. You talk about "secret" facilities, no, china has no obligation to open itself up for any foreign inspection just because you are accusing it, unless you can provide one single concrete proof to date, which US has provided none, zero. Same thing, US will never allow itself for international inspection either, despite massive war crimes it committed around the world.

actually both the accuser and the accused have to provide evidence and witness accounts in any legal trial.

there has over the past few years been an increasing amount of detail reported in western media, but all you Chinese do is deny and deflect with a certain dispicable kind of veiled arrogance.

you want evidence?
ok..


i'm not saying China should not combat terrorism or seperatism.
i'm saying it should be done with detective work and special ops work,
rather than mass-incarceration, forced mass-indoctrination and random torture.

China needs to provide a constant stream of *evidence* of it's innocence.

Or we will have every reason to start to boycot the Chinese economy by making our own economies produce and consume locally or with new allies (India, Africa, South-America), and sanction Chinese leaders.
 
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actually both the accuser and the accused have to provide evidence and witness accounts in any legal trial.

there has over the past few years been an increasing amount of detail reported in western media, but all you Chinese do is deny and deflect with a certain dispicable kind of veiled arrogance.

you want evidence?
ok..


i'm not saying China should not combat terrorism or seperatism.
i'm saying it should be done with detective work and special ops work,
rather than mass-incarceration, forced mass-indoctrination and random torture.

China needs to provide a constant stream of *evidence* of it's innocence.

Or we will have every reason to start to boycot the Chinese economy by making our own economies produce and consume locally or with new allies (India, Africa, South-America), and sanction Chinese leaders.

no, you are wrong, only the accused has to provide evidence. If accuser can't provide evidence to prove the other party is guilty, even if the accused sits on his butt the whole time without doing anything, then the accused still walks free. That's the bedrock of "presumption of innocence", you are guilty only when you are proven guilty. The "increasing" amount of detail from western media are nothing but circumstantial at best, none of them can stand up in the court of law, if you accusing "genocide", you need to provide some dead bodies, to date, west hasn't provided a single dead body attributable to "genocide". You think if it's "genocide", there has to be vast amount of dead people, but west has failed in even providing one. I don't deny human rights abuse has happened in China, so does the US, but to accuse "genocide"? that's a high hurdle to clear in order to prove.
 
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no, you are wrong, only the accused has to provide evidence. If accuser can't provide evidence to prove the other party is guilty, even if the accused sits on his butt the whole time without doing anything, then the accused still walks free. That's the bedrock of "presumption of innocence", you are guilty only when you are proven guilty. The "increasing" amount of detail from western media are nothing but circumstantial at best, none of them can stand up in the court of law, if you accusing "genocide", you need to provide some dead bodies, to date, west hasn't provided a single dead body attributable to "genocide". You think if it's "genocide", there has to be vast amount of dead people, but west has failed in even providing one. I don't deny human rights abuse has happened in China, so does the US, but to accuse "genocide"? that's a high hurdle to clear in order to prove.

well, when it comes to crimes against humanity and genocide, as well as WMD development programs, the accused has to prove their innocence.
such was the case for Saddam, such is the case for Iran and North Korea, and it should be no different for China either, in my opinion.

while the Saddam and Iran situations are handled with covert ops and military missions, the China dilemma will i think be handled by economic sanctions and boycotts that drive production work orders out of China and into the consuming nations (US, EU, India, Africa, South-America).

as far as providing evidence goes, here's another one:
 
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well, when it comes to crimes against humanity and genocide, as well as WMD development programs, the accused has to prove their innocence.
such was the case for Saddam, such is the case for Iran and North Korea, and it should be no different for China either, in my opinion.

while the Saddam and Iran situations are handled with covert ops and military missions, the China dilemma will i think be handled by economic sanctions and boycotts that drive production work orders out of China and into the consuming nations (US, EU, India, Africa, South-America).

as far as providing evidence goes, here's another one:

what makes you think " crimes against humanity and genocide, as well as WMD development programs, the accused has to prove their innocence"? Does that mean others can accuse you with lies constantly, and you have to constantly prove innocence? Guess what, countries like US will never bother to prove its innocence for its own crime against humanity such as war crime in Afghanistan, the US just sanction the international court of justice judges. US even released convicted mass civilian killer soldier in 2018, who killed numerous innocent civilians in Iraq, who was convicted in US own court, and US released him and called him a patriot. Guess what, US doesn't care and won't ever show any proof to prove its innocence or allow any international inspection for its own crimes. No wonder China doesn't take US call for inspection seriously.

Again, a BBC article? really? still no dead body to show? I don't even bother reading any BBC article, which known for anti-china agenda, show me a dead body first for the so called "genocide".
 
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Ana, is that you. Ana???
TYT stooge like you support them because you are exposed as MSM shill.And you like being shills. Why even exist if you sound like Rachel Maddow. Did you see the Roger Waters interview in Katie Helper show. That was golden, isn’t it. He tore you up, Ana.

At least I know where u stands Tankie that makes it easier for me. Also the point of any news orgs is to report facts not spout government propaganda. Grayzone has posted that white helmet are terrorists despite overwhelming evidence that it was assad's

Are the Syrian 'White Helmets' Rescue Organization Terrorists? | Snopes.com

So if grayzone lied about this what else could they be lying about? Maybe about the genocide in xinjiang.

China’s Uyghur genocide is undeniable (msn.com)

If anyone wondering what tankie means it's this:
Joshua Collins on Twitter: "1) A THREAD on tankie twitter: Its worth the time to take a look at this batshit crazy movement. Let's start by defining the term In 1956 a student rebellion erupted in Hungary, citing Stalins purges as murders, and the labor camps as State slavery https://t.co/iAaLoDEFyC" / Twitter
 
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At least I know where u stands Tankie that makes it easier for me. Also the point of any news orgs is to report facts not spout government propaganda. Grayzone has posted that white helmet are terrorists despite overwhelming evidence that it was assad's

Are the Syrian 'White Helmets' Rescue Organization Terrorists? | Snopes.com

So if grayzone lied about this what else could they be lying about? Maybe about the genocide in xinjiang.

China’s Uyghur genocide is undeniable (msn.com)

If anyone wondering what tankie means it's this:
Joshua Collins on Twitter: "1) A THREAD on tankie twitter: Its worth the time to take a look at this batshit crazy movement. Let's start by defining the term In 1956 a student rebellion erupted in Hungary, citing Stalins purges as murders, and the labor camps as State slavery https://t.co/iAaLoDEFyC" / Twitter

Ana, you do ad hominem attacks way too much. Grayzone exposed Russia gate. Also, you must think Julian Assange is a bad guy for exposed establishment corruption. Grayzone has critically acclaimed journalists such as Blumenthal, Mate and Norton. MSM hate them. But you like them as you are paid well by your masters, Ana.
 
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Ana, you do ad hominem attacks way too much. Grayzone exposed Russia gate. Also, you must think Julian Assange is a bad guy for exposed establishment corruption. Grayzone has critically acclaimed journalists such as Blumenthal, Mate and Norton. MSM hate them. But you like them as you are paid well by your masters, Ana.

So does Buzzfeed but at least buzzfeed doesn't make a pro-Assad & pro-genocide news. Also so called "acclaimed journalists"

Connections with far-right activists[edit]
For a supposedly "leftist" blog, editors of The Grayzone have either: a) promoted far right antisemitic beliefs, b) been promoted by alt-right activists, or c) promoted far-right activists themselves.

  • For example, Richard Spencer shouted Max Blumenthal in a tweet.[5] Although this might be guilt by association, it is totally normal that a notorious far-right leader would promote a left-wing journalist /sarcasm.
  • Ben Norton, another major editor of The Grayzone, has retweeted[6] a fascist and Holocaust denier.[7] The account also supports a race war[8], is very sexist and homophobic[9] .
  • Max Blumenthal and Anya Parampil, who are married (Parampil formerly worked for RT), frequently appear on Fox News with Tucker Carlson.[10]
  • Zero Hedge cites The Grayzone multiple times.[11][12][13][14][15][16]
  • Max Blumenthal, whose father (Sidney Blumenthal
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  • He was banned from the German parliament and the opposition party for his antisemitic views.[17]
  • Blumenthal also compares Israel to ISIS.[18]
  • David Duke praised him for his work.[19]
  • Blumenthal's articles are republished by the alt-right The Unz Review[20]
  • Their podcast, Moderate Rebels, promotes white nationalist Pepe Escobar.[21]
So, next time if you hear The Grayzone calling everyone they disagree with far-right, bring these up.

The Grayzone - RationalWiki

This is not MSM calling Grayzone out pretty much everybody with common sense can smell BS a mile away. Wonder why you can't smell them though?
Grayzone, Grifters and the Cult of Tank | by Joshua Collins | Muros Invisibles | Medium

Please tell me how china did no genocide when evidences (from the chinese gov. no less said otherwise) said yes they pretty much did.
 
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So does Buzzfeed but at least buzzfeed doesn't make a pro-Assad & pro-genocide news. Also so called "acclaimed journalists"

Connections with far-right activists[edit]
For a supposedly "leftist" blog, editors of The Grayzone have either: a) promoted far right antisemitic beliefs, b) been promoted by alt-right activists, or c) promoted far-right activists themselves.

So, next time if you hear The Grayzone calling everyone they disagree with far-right, bring these up.

The Grayzone - RationalWiki

This is not MSM calling Grayzone out pretty much everybody with common sense can smell BS a mile away. Wonder why you can't smell them though?
Grayzone, Grifters and the Cult of Tank | by Joshua Collins | Muros Invisibles | Medium

Please tell me how china did no genocide when evidences (from the chinese gov. no less said otherwise) said yes they pretty much did.

So their crime is being praised by racist or appeared on Fox News. And God forbid, compare Israel to terrorists!!!! If that is all youhave against them, then they are in good shape. All you have listed give me more confidence about how right they are and msm and their tools such as buzzfeed, democracy now, vice media, the intercept, and your network tyt are working for the establishment.
 
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From the usa criminals:

Guards accused of ‘systematically’ sexually assaulting detainees at El Paso ICE Processing Center

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Bob Moore/El Paso Matters/FileEl Paso's ICE Processing Center on Montana Avenue.

EL PASO, Texas -- Guards at the ICE El Paso Processing Center on Montana Avenue sexually assaulted and harassed inmates in a “pattern and practice” of abuse, according to a complaint filed by a Texas advocacy group urging the local district attorney and federal prosecutors to conduct a criminal investigation. (Read the entire document at the end of this article.)
The allegations, detailed in a filing first obtained by ProPublica and The Texas Tribune, maintain that guards systematically assaulted at least three people in the facility overseen by Immigration and Customs Enforcement — often in areas of the detention center not visible to security cameras. The guards told victims that no one would believe them because footage did not exist and the harassment involved officers as high-ranking as a lieutenant.
According to the complaint filed with the Department of Homeland Security’s Office of Inspector General and shared with prosecutors, several guards “forcibly” kissed and touched the intimate parts of at least one woman. She faces deportation next week — meaning investigators could lose a key witness. Her attorneys have requested that immigration officials pause her deportation pending a review of the matter.
The woman said in a telephone interview that she would rather return to Mexico, even though she is in danger there. She said she worried about being targeted in the detention center for speaking up about the abuse.
“It’s going to get worse now,” she said. “I can’t handle this anymore.”
Since the complaint was filed Wednesday, two more women, including one who is currently detained in the El Paso facility and one who was previously held there, have come forward with abuse allegations. At least one other woman was deported after a guard assaulted her, detainees told lawyers.
An El Paso County District Attorney’s Office spokesperson said that the agency had forwarded “potentially criminal allegations” to the DHS’ Office of Inspector General, which did not respond to emails seeking comment. A spokesperson for the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Western District of Texas said that it had received the complaint and takes allegations of “misconduct by public officials extremely seriously.”
A spokesperson for ICE wrote in an email that the agency was aware of the accusations and that they would be investigated, including by its Office of Professional Responsibility. A 2003 law intended to protect against such abuses sets stringent standards for detention facilities.
ICE has “zero tolerance for any form of sexual abuse or assault against individuals in the agency’s custody and takes very seriously all allegations of employee misconduct,” the spokesperson wrote. “When substantiated, appropriate action is taken.”
A spokesperson for Global Precision Systems, a subsidiary of Bering Straits Native Corporation, which contracts with ICE to run the El Paso facility, wrote in an email that she could not comment on pending legal matters.
The El Paso allegations are the latest instance of sexual abuse complaints related to detention centers run by ICE, which imprisons about 50,000 immigrants across the country each year — mostly through contractors at a taxpayer expense of almost $2.7 billion.
About 14,700 complaints alleging sexual and physical abuse were lodged against ICE between 2010 and 2016, according to federal data obtained by the advocacy group Freedom for Immigrants. The group found that only a small fraction were investigated by the Office of Inspector General.
In 2018, the year with the most updated statistics available online, ICE reported 374 formal accusations of sexual assault, of which 48 were substantiated by the agency and 29 remained pending an investigation as of that year.
Most recently, in a May federal court filing in Houston, a Mexican woman said that she was in an ICE facility there in 2018 when she and two female detainees were moved to an isolated cell. Around midnight, three men wearing facial coverings entered the cell. They raped and beat them, according to the complaint. The immigrants were bused to Mexico hours later, where the woman eventually discovered she was pregnant from the assault.
A spokesperson for the company overseeing that detention center, CoreCivic, denied the allegations, calling them “slanderous.” The woman’s attorney, Michelle Simpson Tuegel, said the pregnancy aligns with the woman’s stay in ICE detention. The civil lawsuit is ongoing.
The El Paso accusations that are the subject of this latest complaint to authorities came to light when one of the women, a 32-year-old Salvadoran, was released because of a medical condition and told an attorney that she feared for the detainees still there.
“She was that disturbed by what was happening,” said Linda Corchado, director of legal services for Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center, who filed the complaint. “It’s awful to think how disposable these women are.”
She said they are especially vulnerable because many will probably be deported, making it more unlikely that their abusers face consequences.
The Salvadoran woman told Corchado that she was detained in the El Paso facility for about three months where she was repeatedly harassed. A guard said that if she would “fool around” with him he would give her clean uniforms and soap. He told her that he would pay her “a lot of money” to meet him for sex in a spot not visible to cameras.
Two other officers also repeatedly targeted her, according to the complaint. One sent her messages through other women even after she was released.
She said in a telephone interview that guards encouraged women to sign up for anti-anxiety medication and antidepressants because they oversee the dispensing of medication at night and have access to an enclosed off-camera area.
“Most women who are still there are scared of saying anything,” she said. “You don’t know what they can do.”
A male detainee, a legal permanent resident convicted of money laundering, said that an officer in the detention center stared at him while rubbing his genitals as he showered in July, according to the complaint. After he reported the incident to a captain, the detainee was placed in solitary confinement. He began a hunger strike and was transferred to another ICE facility. Lawyers said that he speaks English and is better able to advocate for himself than most of the female victims, who speak only Spanish.
The woman who remains in the El Paso detention center and is set to be deported is a 35-year-old mother from Mexico who was charged with a drug-related crime and illegally entering the country.
During her 11 months in the ICE facility, she told lawyers that two guards assaulted her. In November, an officer touched her private areas and kissed her while she was in an area not visible to cameras. The assault happened as she was walking back from the medical unit to her barrack.
Days later, the guard did so again.
“If she behaved,” he told her, according to the filing, “he would help her be released.”
He stared at her through a window while she used the bathroom.
When she complained to a captain, she said he dismissed her. She said she did not see that officer for several months but that he later returned, becoming “increasingly aggressive and intimidating.”
“She has lived in constant panic that he may do something against her again,” according to the document.
The woman said another officer also assaulted her at least twice in a camera “blind spot,” touching and kissing her. These attacks also happened when she was returning from the medical unit to her cell.
A lieutenant passed messages through her to other detained women.
If she reported them, an officer warned, “No one would believe her.”


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Canada leads international coalition calling on China to allow investigators free access to Xinjiang
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Separate alliance of 60 elected officials from 18 countries calls for probe into 'indications of genocide'
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Canada is leading an international effort at the United Nations to demand that China allow "meaningful and unfettered access" to investigate "credible reports" of widespread human rights violations against China's Muslim minority in Xinjiang province, CBC News has learned.
An international alliance that is expected to include more than 20 countries — including Canada's G7 partners and Sweden, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Australia and New Zealand — will make its demand in a joint statement it's expected to deliver to the United Nations Human Rights Council's headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland on Monday.
"We are gravely concerned about the human rights situation in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region," says a draft of the joint statement seen by CBC News and addressed to UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet.
"We urge China to allow immediate, meaningful and unfettered access to Xinjiang for independent observers, including the High Commissioner," reads the statement, which also calls for the end of "the arbitrary detention of Uyghurs and members of other Muslim minorities."
The statement also expresses concerns about the "deterioration of fundamental freedoms" in Hong Kong and Tibet and calls on China to "abide by their human rights obligations."
The international effort comes as 60 parliamentarians from 18 countries in the Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China, including Canada, plan to issue a separate public letter asking the UN Human Rights Council to set up an independent commission of inquiry to investigate what it calls crimes against humanity and indications of genocide in Xinjiang province.
These diplomatic moves follow years of reports from media, academic and UN experts that have accused China of imprisoning more than a million Muslim-minority Uyghurs in concentration and "deradicalization" camps, targeting them for forced labour, sexual violence, population control methods and sweeping surveillance.
The Chinese government has denied the claims of human rights abuses.
China pushes back
In February, the Chinese government lashed out at Canada after the House of Commons voted to declare that China is committing genocide against Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims in Xinjiang.
"Facts have proven that there's no genocide in Xinjiang. This is the lie of the century made up by extremely anti-China forces," said Wang Wenbin, a spokesperson for China's foreign ministry, according to a translation of his remarks provided by the foreign ministry.
The Commons motion said that China's persecution of these groups amounts to genocide, according to the definition set out in the 1948 UN Genocide Convention, and called on the federal government to formally adopt that position.
A substantial majority of MPs — including most Liberals who participated — voted in favour of the non-binding motion, which was proposed by the Conservative Party.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and all but one member of his cabinet were absent for the vote. Foreign Affairs Minister Marc Garneau was present but said he was abstaining from the vote "on behalf of the Government of Canada."
A draft of the joint statement to be delivered to the council in Geneva expresses grave concerns about what is going on in Xinjiang.
'Torture ... cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment'
"Credible reports indicate that over a million people have been arbitrarily detained in Xinjiang and that there is widespread surveillance disproportionately targeting Uyghurs and other minorities and restrictions on fundamental freedoms and Uyghur culture," the draft joint statement says.
"There are also reports of torture or cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment or punishment, forced sterilization, sexual and gender-based violence, and forced separation of children from their parents by authorities."
The joint statement also expresses concerns about allegations of "forced labour" and the "collective repression of religious and ethnic minorities" by the Chinese regime.
Aware of the coming joint statement, China issued a preemptive rebuke to the countries behind it, accusing them of habitually using "human rights issues as tools to practice blatant political manipulation."

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Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian gestures as he speaks during a daily briefing at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs office in Beijing on Feb. 24, 2020. (Andy Wong/The Associated Press)
"Some individual countries like the U.S., Canada and the U.K. have been seeking to attack and smear China under the guise of human rights, making and spreading disinformation, and abusing the platform of the UN Human Rights Council," Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian told reporters in a briefing.
Zhao went on to say pressure tactics like the joint statement only obstruct international dialogue and cooperation on human rights. He also accused the countries behind the joint statement of ignoring human rights abuses in their own countries.
"They have human rights issues like racism, gun violence, forced labour, child labour, and the list goes on and on," Zhao said, citing the death of George Floyd in police custody in the U.S. and reports on the discovery of "the remains of Indigenous children found in residential schools in Canada."

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A man holds a child as they watch a dance performance at the International Grand Bazaar in Urumqi in western China's Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, in April. (Associated Press/Mark Schiefelbein)
The public letter on behalf of elected officials from 18 countries in the Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China separately alleges that China is "committing crimes against humanity" in Xinjiang, with "credible sources finding indications of genocide."
The parliamentarians also accuse the council of "failing to end impunity for perpetrators of abuse."
"At least one million people are held in arbitrary detention, with inmates exposed to sexual abuse, torture and political indoctrination," the letter says.
"Since 2015, birth rates of minority groups have declined dramatically in the wake of forced sterilizations, forced abortions and draconian birth control policies against minority groups."
The coalition of international parliamentarians is asking the council to establish an independent commission of inquiry to investigate allegations of human rights abuses, identify the alleged perpetrators, make recommendations to end those abuses and report back regularly to the UN on progress.
China did not commit to providing the access for UN investigators that the joint statement demands. Zhao did say, without elaborating, that "the world will see the facts and come to a fair judgment."
"If these countries think they can deceive the international community, jeopardize the prosperity, stability and sustainable development of Xinjiang and hamstring China's development by fabricating lies on Xinjiang, that will be like trying to hold back the tide with a broom," he said. "Failure will be their fate!"
Amnesty says China has created ‘dystopian hellscape’ in Xinjiang
Rights group alleges ‘crimes against humanity’ being perpetrated against Uighurs, other Muslim minorities.
Uighur women gather outside the Chinese consulate in Istanbul to denounce the alleged rights violations of Uighurs in Xinjiang [File: Ozan Kose/AFP]

Uighur women gather outside the Chinese consulate in Istanbul to denounce the alleged rights violations of Uighurs in Xinjiang [File: Ozan Kose/AFP]
By Al Jazeera Staff
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China’s far western region of Xinjiang has become a “dystopian hellscape” where Uighurs and other predominantly Muslim ethnic minorities face systematic and state-organised “mass internment and torture amounting to crimes against humanity”, Amnesty International said in a new report, citing dozens of eyewitness accounts from former detainees.
In a study published on Thursday, Amnesty said the minority groups had been forced to abandon their religious traditions, language and culture, and subjected to mass surveillance, supporting previous allegations of genocide and ethnic cleansingcommitted within a network of hundreds of detention centres.
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More than 50 former camp detainees shared new testimony with Amnesty, providing a detailed inside account of the conditions and treatment of Uighurs and other groups in the internment camps sanctioned by Chinese authorities since 2017, Amnesty said.
“The Chinese authorities have created a dystopian hellscape on a staggering scale in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region,” said Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International’s secretary-general and a former UN investigator on human rights.


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“Uyghurs, Kazakhs and other Muslim minorities face crimes against humanity and other serious human rights violations that threaten to erase their religious and cultural identities.
“It should shock the conscience of humanity that massive numbers of people have been subjected to brainwashing, torture and other degrading treatment in internment camps, while millions more live in fear amid a vast surveillance apparatus.”
Torture and other ill-treatment are systematic in the camps and every aspect of daily life is regimented in an effort to forcibly instil secular, homogeneous Chinese nation and Communist party ideals, the 160-page report said.


In recent days, China has also been accused of rolling out birth-control policies targeting the same minority groups, aiming to cut between 2.6 to 4.5 million birthswithin 20 years.
Aside from the Uighurs and Kazakhs, the Hui, Kyrgyz, Uzbek and Tajik minorities in Xinjiang have also been swept up in the campaign.
China has previously rejected the genocide and ethnic cleansing charges, saying the internment camps are vocational training centres aimed at countering the threat of “extremism”.
On Wednesday, Beijing also presented family members and former neighbours to refute the testimonies of witnesses who have appeared at a UK special tribunal investigating allegations of genocide and crimes against humanity in Xinjiang. However, a human rights advocate warned that Beijing’s witnesses may have been speaking “under duress”.

‘Tiger chair’ interrogation
Since early 2017, huge numbers of Uighur men and women as well as other Muslim ethnic minorities have been arbitrarily detained or imprisoned, the report said.

They include hundreds of thousands who have been sent to prisons in addition to the one million the UN estimates to have been sent to the internment camps. Al Jazeera has published similar witness accounts detailing the experience of Uighurs inside the detention centres.
All of the more than 50 former detainees told Amnesty they were detained for what appeared to be entirely lawful conduct, such as possessing a religiously themed picture or communicating with someone abroad
The witnesses said that many of them underwent intense interrogation at police stations, and the process included beatings and sleep deprivation.
They were also made to sit up to 24 hours in so-called “tiger chairs”, with affixed leg irons and handcuffs that restrain the body in painful positions.

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Since early 2017, huge numbers of Uighurs as well as other Muslim ethnic minorities have been arbitrarily detained or imprisoned in a network of facilities spread across Xinjiang [File: Greg Baker/AFP]One woman, detained for having the WhatsApp messaging platform on her phone, said life under detention was heavily regimented, from an early morning flag-raising ceremony to a series of classroom sessions and late-night duties to monitor other cellmates.


“There was not a minute left for yourself. You are exhausted,” the woman was quoted as saying by Amnesty.
Systematic torture
Every former detainee interviewed suffered torture or other ill-treatment, including electric shocks, water and sleep deprivation and exposure to extreme cold among others, the report said.
An older woman who was punished for defending her cellmate said she was taken to a small, dark, cold and windowless room where she had her hands and feet cuffed and was forced to sit on an iron chair for three days straight.
Two former detainees said they had been forced to wear heavy shackles – in one case for an entire year. Others described being shocked with electric batons or sprayed with pepper spray.
Some detainees reported being tortured multiple times, while others said they were forced to watch their cellmates being tortured.


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Amnesty International learned of one case where a detainee is believed to have died as a result of being restrained in a tiger chair, in front of his cellmates, for 72 hours, during which time he urinated and defecated on himself.

“China must immediately dismantle the internment camps, release the people arbitrarily detained in them and in prisons, and end the systematic attacks against Muslims in Xinjiang,” said Callamard.
“The international community must speak out and act in unison to end this abomination, once and for all.”
A United States Senate committee held a hearing on Thursday addressing the alleged atrocities in Xinjiang with testimony from Uighur advocates and US researchers.
US legislators are considering bans on imports of solar panels and other products made with forced labour and plan to probe the role of US technology firms in enabling China’s mass repression in Xinjiang.
“We have some very concrete steps we can take,” said Senator Tim Kaine, adopting the Amnesty report as part of the Senate hearing record.

The US in March joined the EU, UK and Canada in levying specific sanctions on Chinese officials for what Secretary of State Antony Blinken called “genocide and crimes against humanity”.
In February, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi defended Beijing’s policy towards Uighurs and other groups, telling the UN Human Rights Council that “there has never been so-called genocide, forced labour or religious oppression in Xinjiang”.
He had also invited the UN human rights commissioner to visit the closed-off region but gave no time frame.

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Ethnic minority students attend a class at the Urumqi Islamic Institution during a government-organised trip for foreign journalists, in Urumqi, western China’s Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, on April 22 April. China has denied that rights abuses are taking place in Xinjiang, calling the allegations ‘the lie of the century’ [Wu Hong/EPA] Amnesty said it would be stepping up its campaign to secure the release of more than 60 people from Muslim minorities who are missing and believed to be detained in Xinjiang.

Meanwhile, Beijing faces more pressure as lawyers have submitted new evidence to the International Criminal Court (ICC) that China is forcibly returning thousands of Xinjiang people from Tajikistan to China.

Beijing denies the allegations of abuse and is not a signatory to the ICC statute. Tajikistan is a member, and lawyers hope its membership could be a way to bring the allegations of Chinese mistreatment of Uighurs before the court.
“Based on this new dossier of evidence presented to the ICC prosecutor, showing the actions of Chinese authorities directly in Tajikistan – an ICC State Party – it is clear that the ICC does have jurisdiction to open an investigation,” Rodney Dixon, a lawyer representing Uighur groups, said in a statement.
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Uighur woman breaks silence as her fears grow: 'If our genocide is fake, then where is my husband?'
Mehray Mezensof and Mirzat Taher have been married for almost five years but have been together for only 14 months of that time.
By Sabah Choudhry, news reporter
Friday 11 June 2021 08:33, UK
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Australian-born Mehray Mezensof has been married to her husband, Mirzat Taher, 30, for almost five years.
But he has been absent for most of this period.
The 27-year-old told Sky News the young couple have only spent 14 months of their marriage together, as Mr Taher was in and out of China's so-called "vocational education and training" schools and detention centres - which some US officials have referred to as "concentration camps".
Australian-born Mehray Mezensof has been married to Mirzat Taher for almost five years.

Image:Mehray Mezensof and her husband Mirzat Taher are both ethnically Uighur Muslims
On 1 April this year, he was sentenced to 25 years in jail, for involvement in alleged "separatist" political activities in Turkey.
She says the claims are "ridiculous" - and based on suspicion, rather than factual evidence.
Sir Iain Duncan Smith, co-founder of the Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China, is calling on the G7 to act - and soon.
He told Sky News that the UK, as a host of the summit, has a duty to speak out against the "genocide" happening "right under our noses".
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Former Conservative leader Iain Duncan Smith was among those sanctioned

Image:Sir Iain Duncan Smith says the UK should say more about China's human rights abuses
Sir Ian said Britain can "no longer turn a blind eye" to China's abuse towards its Uighur and minority populations and must "reconsider how we trade" as the UK and other Western countries are too dependent on China.
The former Conservative party leader says the Western world "allowed" China to join the free market without adhering to principles of democracy, the rule of law and human rights - what Francis Fukuyama termed "the end of history" - and the G7 now has the opportunity to fix this.
"In the chase for cheaper production… the 'greedy route' as I call it… we relied on an anti-democratic and brutal government… but we cannot separate business and trade from human rights."
Australian-born Mehray Mezensof has been married to Mirzat Taher (pictured) for almost five years.

Image:Mirzat Taher was recently granted permanent residency in Australia
Ms Mezensof has kept quiet up until now to protect their family, and with the hope that the Chinese Communist Party would release her husband sooner, if they were seen to be "co-operating".
She said: "My husband is a good person. He isn't a criminal. He isn't political. He hasn't done anything wrong, he's innocent."
His only crime, she told Sky News, is being ethnically Uighur.
According to Amnesty International, an estimated one million people, most of them Uighurs - a Muslim ethnic group living largely in the northwest Chinese province of Xinjiang - are believed to have been detained inside "re-education camps" by the Chinese authorities since 2017.
Although the UK government has declined to get involved, MPs in April passed a motion declaring Uighurs are being subjected to "genocide" and "crimes against humanity" in China.
The first steps of an independent "people's tribunal" in the UK was under way last week, to decide if this is true.
It heard that Uighurs are treated "worse than dogs" and "tortured day and night" in Chinese camps in Xinjiang.
Ms Mezensof was born and raised in Melbourne, Australia. Her parents emigrated from the Xinjiang region in northwestern China more than 35 years ago.
When she was 22, she travelled for the first time to the region's main city, Urumqi, and met Mr Taher - a moment she describes as "love at first sight".
Australian-born Mehray Mezensof has been married to Mirzat Taher for almost five years.

Image:Australian-born Mehray Mezensof has been married to Mirzat Taher for almost five years
After an Islamic ceremony, the couple were married on 3 August 2016 with plans to settle in Melbourne.
Ms Mezensof extended her stay in Xinjiang while they waited for Mr Taher's Australian visa to come through.
At this time - things started to change.
"There were a lot of whispers going around," she said.
"People were disappearing in the middle of the night, police were coming and taking them away. No one knew where they were going, how long for.
"There was constant monitoring, surveillance. Heavy police presence - you'd get stopped on the street a lot to get your phone checked.
"We needed permission from the police to leave the city - you'd have to tell them where you were going, how long for…
"Everyone was on edge."
Australian-born Mehray Mezensof has been married to Mirzat Taher for almost five years.

Image:Mehray Mezensof says she is concerned about the safety of her husband Mirzat Taher
China's crackdown on Uighurs and other minorities was beginning to ramp up in 2017, and Ms Mezensof's family in Melbourne became increasingly concerned for her safety.
Shortly after Mr Taher was granted a visa on 1 April 2017, the couple immediately booked plane tickets for Australia, due to fly out 11 days later.
However, one day before their flight was due to leave, police turned up at Mr Taher's house and took him away for questioning.
But he did not come home.
Mr Taher was held in a detainment centre for 10 months, and consequently transferred to two different "schools" for "re-education" - where Uighurs who are thought to be "extreme" or "terrorist-like" are sent by state officials.
The Chinese authorities deemed him "dangerous" because he had travelled to Turkey in 2014 and 2015.
It's thought he and other Uighurs in Turkey - who, like him, are ethnically Turkish and not Han Chinese - rallied against the Chinese state with the supposed aim of establishing independence from mainland China, Ms Mezensof understands.
Australian-born Mehray Mezensof has been married to Mirzat Taher for almost five years.

Image:Australian-born Mehray Mezensof said her husband has been sentenced to 25 years in prison
Human Rights Watch report that, during this time, the Xinjiang authorities made foreign ties a punishable offence.
State officials targeted those with connections or travel history to "26 sensitive countries" - including Turkey - and subsequently interrogated, detained, and in some instances imprisoned those people.
However, despite claiming - and demonstrating - his visits consisted of a holiday and opportunity to study Turkish on a student visa, Mr Taher was held by the state for two years, until his unexpected release on 22 May 2019.
He had "graduated" from his "re-education" school and was deemed safe enough to re-integrate back into society.
Several weeks later, the couple reunited at the Urumqi airport.
Australian-born Mehray Mezensof has been married to Mirzat Taher for almost five years.

Image:Mehray Mezensof says she has not heard from her husband for more than 200 days
Ms Mezensof, now on a six month Chinese visa, discovered that her husband, and others with him, were subject to "constant brainwashing" and "propaganda" in the camps.
She told Sky News that contrary to the Chinese state's propaganda videos, her husband did not develop any vocational skills, play sports or attend dance classes.
Rather, inmates were "forced" to learn about the Chinese Communist Party, memorise political speeches and confess their "crimes" to their class on a daily basis.
She said: "It wasn't really physical abuse…. But more mental and psychological.
"If one of them misbehaved - they suffered together. They weren't given food for that whole day, they pretty much starved.
"They were reminded every single day that none of them would ever get to see their family members again… and the only way they would leave is in a body bag, if you die."
Australian-born Mehray Mezensof has been married to Mirzat Taher for almost five years.

The party secretary of Xinjiang, Chen Quanguo, has previously told Sky News that the facilities are tantamount to "boarding schools" - and that claims of "concentration camps" were "made up", "lies" and "very ridiculous".
Mr Taher decided against sharing explicit details of his ordeal with his wife - apart from the one time he accidentally spoke in the Uighur tongue and was handcuffed, strung to a door, and was forbidden to eat or drink.
But, unbeknown to them, they were running - once again - on borrowed time.
Ms Mezensof's six-month Chinese visa was running out, and the couple were struggling to obtain Mr Taher's passport from state officials.
She returned to Melbourne on 30 December 2019 - where she applied for another Chinese visa.
However, the COVID-19 pandemic hit, and Urumqi in Xinjiang was under lockdown. China had closed its borders to foreigners. The couple resorted to keeping in touch on WeeChat.
But on the morning of 19 May 2020 - Ms Mezensof felt uneasy. Her husband hadn't checked or responded to her messages in hours, which she says was very unlike him.
It later transpired that police had taken him from his bed and detained him for a second time - again, about his travels to Turkey.
Australian-born Mehray Mezensof has been married to Mirzat Taher for almost five years.

Image:Mirzat Taher has been detained a number of times in China due to his travel in Turkey
He was kept in solitary confinement for two months and was in separate quarantine for 40 days after an inmate caught COVID-19.
Mr Taher's Australian permanent residency was granted shortly before his release.
However just weeks later, he was detained for a third time on 26 September 2020.
Ms Mezensof hasn't heard from his since.
Sky News has seen a notice of arrest issued by Hami police in Xinjiang on 23 October last year.
All she knows - and from her family in Xinjiang - that Mr Taher has been sentenced to 25 years in prison, for accusations of "separatist" activities which he asserts he had no part in.
Detainees in Xinjiang camps tortured, beaten and given electric shocks, says Amnesty report
Detainees in Xinjiang camps tortured, beaten and given electric shocks, says Amnesty report

She said: "I was in I was in shock that day, I think I like I was I sat for like, hours just crying and shaking my head, being like, no, no, no, no, this, this can't be…. this is a, this is a dream, I'm gonna wake up from it.
"I was just sitting there. And I was calculating it in my head being like, it's 25 years.
"So if he were to carry out that full sentence, when he comes out, he'll be 55. And I'll be 52… how can that be like that's our whole youth, our whole lives, just like ripped and taken away from us?
"The moment you get married and you're about to start your life with the person you love, it should be the happiest moment of your life, but instead I've been going through this in silence.
"This isn't something out of a movie, it is happening.
"It frustrates me when people say its fake, because if it was, where is my husband?
"We really wanted to start our own family…"
Australian-born Mehray Mezensof has been married to Mirzat Taher for almost five years.

Image:Australian-born Mehray Mezensof met Mirzat Taher in Xinjiang's main city, Urumqi
She added: "I just want to know that my husband is alive, that he's somewhat doing okay… I just want to hear his voice.
"It's been over 200 days, since I've had any kind of communication with him. I've been backed into a corner, and there's no way out, besides going public.
"We have no ulterior motive. I just want to be with my husband."
Sky News has contacted Chinese state officials for comment relating to the claims made in this piece, but are yet to receive a response.
 
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RT: The West has no right to preach to Muslim countries about human rights in China
Tom Fowdy
is a British writer and analyst of politics and international relations with a primary focus on East Asia.
22 Jun, 2021 15:17

Western countries and media are constantly raising the issue of the Uighurs in Xinjiang – conveniently forgetting the death and destruction the US and its allies have brought to the Islamic world over the years.

Over the weekend, Axios journalist Jonathan Swan interviewed Pakistan’s Prime Minister Imran Khan on HBO. The outlet is well-known for pitching anti-China narratives, and Swan pressed Khan for his thoughts on what is happening to the Uighurs in Xinjiang, specifically calling their treatment a “genocide”. Khan rejected the questions, stating that Pakistan and China had a longstanding friendship and that Beijing had supported Islamabad through the “toughest of times”.

Unsurprisingly, Axios followed up by reporting that Khan was dismissive of the situation and even accused him of being silenced by a ‘debt trap’ owing to his country’s reliance on China for the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), stating: “Khan is silent for a simple reason: cash-strapped Pakistan has become increasingly financially dependent on China, for billions in loans and investment.” Inevitably, the rest of the mainstream media also pushed this narrative, with the BBC quoting critical Pakistani diaspora voices in both the UK and Washington.

But is Khan’s position solely motivated by money? Absolutely not. Those living in Islamic countries believe the US and Western media have no credibility preaching to them about alleged human rights abuses regarding Muslims, and no Pakistani leader would be gullible enough to take such rhetoric at face value.

After all, public approval of the United States in Pakistan is among the lowest in the world, and a survey in the Obama era demonstrated the extent of this, with just 17% having a favourable view of America. Ultimately there is no other set of nations than the US and its allies which have engaged in such serious crimes against Muslims.

While the US preaches the mantra of ‘human rights’ and its media suggests that China is the enemy of Muslims, Islamic countries are conscious that this very same rhetoric has been used to pursue the wholesale destruction of Muslim lands across a massive scope of time.

From whitewashing Israel’s bombing of Gaza just a month ago, to events in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia and more, why should Imran Khan take this kind of questioning seriously? Comparatively, it’s ridiculous to suggest China is the problem for the Muslim world when history speaks for itself.

This alone is a key point as to why the China-Pakistan relationship, despite significant ideological and theological differences, is so successful. It isn’t about money. Pakistan may be an Islamic republic and China a secular communist state which has advocated materialism and atheism. But the two countries have a rich 70-year history of ties which has been described as an “iron brotherhood”, built on common values of post-colonial and ‘global south’ solidarity, as well as the common norms of respect for territorial integrity and national sovereignty.

This has ensured a strong partnership, which has been further cemented by a common scepticism of India. To try to diminish this entire legacy on the idea ‘China has bought Pakistan’s silence’ is insulting and ignorant.

And that’s why when the US and its media suddenly accuse China of committing genocide in Xinjiang and suggest that Muslims have a responsibility to speak out about it, the idea is simply not credible to many in Islamic countries. They’ve heard it all before, often at their own expense.

Indeed, there are many other Muslim countries that share Pakistan’s views on Xinjiang and have even voiced support for China, including Iran, Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

The Western narrative is that they are ‘bought’, but this dismisses the logical consideration that even if their ideologies differ drastically, to actively promote what amounts to Islamism, extremism and separatism in other countries creates domestic instability, unrest and similar problems in tandem. They are not endorsing an all-encompassing security state, as Xinjiang is often described as; they’re supporting the right to control their own national affairs and maintain stability.

Take, for example, Turkey. While President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s own Pan-Turkish nationalism means he cannot support the Uighur situation in China, he does not weaponize the idea so readily, precisely because of one consideration: the Kurds. Similarly, in Pakistan itself, the government is constantly fighting an insurgency demanding independence for Balochistan.

Indonesia, too, may not openly support China’s Xinjiang position, but remains diplomatically silent on it precisely because of the enormous can of worms it would open with some of its ethno-separatist movements.

So the West is being disingenuous in its attitude towards the treatment of Muslims, as it does not truly consider the national interests of these countries too. This is why China has been able to get scores of countries to support it at the UN on this matter, not because it ‘bought them off’. It’s common interest.

As a whole, the Axios interview with Khan illustrates the sheer lack of awareness, double standards and lack of empathy for the Muslim world among Western journalists, and by extension their lack of empathy or remorse for the West’s own crimes against Islam as a whole.

They are blinkered so deeply by the ‘saviourship’ of human rights and the strident belief they are in the right that they completely fail to comprehend why other countries do not take their rhetoric seriously.

The same countries who destroyed the Middle East and give blanket backing to Israel have now appointed themselves as the champions of Uighurs, and are crying foul when Pakistan refuses to criticise its partner of 70 years. We shouldn’t be surprised.

 
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Demolishing ‘genocide’ lies against Xinjiang

From “concentration camp” to “forced labor,” the US and the West’s allegations of “genocide” in Xinjiang have no facts or legal basis. To weave lies against China, they chose a term that is foreign to China but can recall deep fear of themselves to the history of genocide.

 
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