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Demolishing ‘genocide’ lies against Xinjiang

From “concentration camp” to “forced labor,” the US and the West’s allegations of “genocide” in Xinjiang have no facts or legal basis. To weave lies against China, they chose a term that is foreign to China but can recall deep fear of themselves to the history of genocide.


this is a Chinese blogger posting a youtube video

this is not what we call independent reporting

do you understand why now no one believes what China says?
 
this is a Chinese blogger posting a youtube video

this is not what we call independent reporting

do you understand why now no one believes what China says?
China rallies more countries to support China than the west did to smear China, so where is your "no one" from?
 
Urumqi and Kashgar sing praise to the Chinese communist party to celebrate 100th anniversary of the party.

 
Pakistan accepts China's version on Xinjiang's Uighurs: PM Imran
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Published July 1, 2021 - Updated about 6 hours ago

Prime Minister Imran Khan speaks to the Chinese media on Thursday. — DawnNewsTV

Prime Minister Imran Khan speaks to the Chinese media on Thursday. — DawnNewsTV

Prime Minister Imran Khan on Thursday said that Pakistan accepted Beijing's version regarding the treatment of Uighurs in China's Xinjiang province.

Speaking to Chinese journalists on Thursday as Beijing marked the centenary of the ruling Communist Party, the prime minister said that the Chinese version was completely different from what was being reported in Western media.

"Because of our extreme proximity and relationship with China, we actually accept the Chinese version."
He said that it was hypocritical that while the Uighur situation and Hong Kong was being highlighted, attention was not being given to the human rights violations in occupied Kashmir.

"It is hypocritical. There are much worse human rights violations taking place in other parts of the world such as in occupied Kashmir. But Western media hardly comments on this," he said.

PM Imran praises Communist Party
During his media talk, PM Imran also praised the Communist Party of China (CPC) for its unique model, calling it an alternative to Western democracy.

"Until now, we had been told that the best way for societies to improve was through Western democracy.
"The CPC has introduced an alternative model and they have beaten all Western democracies in the way they have highlighted merit in society," he said.

He said that a society only succeeds when it has systems in place for holding the ruling elite accountable and ensuring meritocracy. "Until now, the feeling was that electoral democracy is the best way to bring leaders on merit and hold them accountable.

"But the CPC has achieved much better [outcomes] without democracy. Their system for sifting through talent and bringing it up is better than the democratic system," he said.

PM Imran also praised the "flexibility" of the system. "In our society and in Western democracies, it is difficult to bring change as you are bound by rules and regulations," he said, lamenting the fact that democracies only plan for "the next five years".

He said that leaders like Chinese President Xi Jinping worked their way up from the bottom. "One can only become a leader after going through a long struggle. This process is not present in Western democracies. An American president doesn't go through this rigorous process."

He said that when leaders like Xi reach the top, they are able to completely understand the system, a trait that is "unique to China".
'Pakistan will not take sides'
The prime minister also highlighted Pakistan's strong ties with China.

"Whenever Pakistan has been in trouble, politically or internationally, China has always stood with us. The people of China have a special place in the hearts of Pakistanis," he said, adding that relations between the two countries have only gotten stronger.

"You see a strange great power rivalry in the region. The United States is wary of China and has formed a regional alliance called the 'Quad'.

"We think that it is unfair of the US and Western powers to expect countries like Pakistan to take sides," he said. "Pakistan will not downgrade its relations with China."

He added that the idea that India was supposed to act as a counter balance to China would be "detrimental" for the former. "China is too strong. India will reap far greater benefits by engaging in trade with China rather than trying to act as a counter balance. If anyone is going to lose out, it will be India."
He stated that Pakistan's relationship with China had nothing to do with India. "Our relationship is a bilateral relationship. It is extremely strong."

Situation in Afghanistan
Asked to comment on how he saw the situation unfolding in Afghanistan, the premier said: “Unfortunately no one has the answer right now.”

He said that the US trying to find a military solution in Afghanistan was its "biggest mistake". "They kept doing the same thing over and over and over again and thought they would get a different result,” the premier said.

He explained that historically, the people of Afghanistan have been resistant to “being dictated from the outside”. “You can invade Afghanistan, but once you are there it is a very difficult country to control.”
PM Imran said the Afghan war had gone on too long and created deep divisions in Afghan society.

He said that the moment the Americans decided there was no military solution in Afghanistan, they gave a date for the exit and the Taliban considered that a victory.

“Now when they think they have won the war, it is very difficult from Pakistan’s point of view to make them reach a political settlement.”

The prime minister said Pakistan was worried about the possibility of a civil war in Afghanistan. In such a scenario, Pakistan will suffer the most after Afghanistan, he said.

'Pakistan committed to strengthening relations'
The prime minister began his media talk by congratulating the Chinese president and the Communist Party. "In Pakistan, we admire the the Chinese president for two reasons: for his fight against corruption [...] and for bringing people out of poverty."

He said that Pakistan is committed to strengthening relations with China whether it be politically or economically.

"The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) is a flagship project," he said, adding that he will be going to Gwadar next week to oversee development work. He said that he was also looking forward to his trip to China which is in the offing.

Commenting on the economic relationship between the two countries, the prime minister said that he sees this moving forward. "The next phase of CPEC is very exciting for Pakistan. We plan to attract Chinese investment for special economic zones as our labour is cheaper."

He said that Pakistan can learn a lot from China when it comes to agriculture. "China's agricultural productivity is much higher, and I hope that we can benefit from the latest techniques and technology."
He said that despite what the world may think of China due to its economic dominance, it admired President Xi.

"The way China dealt with the Covid-19 pandemic was unique [...] considering that it started there. When you look at the rest of the world, China stands out," he said, adding that Islamabad was grateful to Beijing for the help extended during the fight against the coronavirus.

 
China fails to meet promises on missing Xinjiang children

Published21 June
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media captionThe families who want China to find their children
Over the past two years, the Chinese authorities have repeatedly promised to help trace any children reported to be missing in Xinjiang, to prove that they haven't been forcibly separated from their parents. Those promises have not been met, reports John Sudworth.
The first time China made a public promise to help find Kalbinur Tursan's children was in 2019.
"If you have people who have lost their children, you give me the names," China's then-ambassador to the UK, Liu Xiaoming, told the BBC in a live television interview in July that year.
Mr Liu denied that China's policies in its far-western region of Xinjiang could be leading to the large-scale separation of children from their parents but, he said, if we had any such evidence, he would investigate.
"We'll try to locate them and let you know who they are, what they're doing," he said.

media captionAmbassador Liu Xiaoming promises to help separated families
Kalbinur - a member of Xinjiang's largest Turkic ethnic group, the Uyghurs - now lives in Turkey, working late into the night in her tiny one-room apartment sewing clothes to support what is left of her shattered family.
She arrived in 2016, eight months pregnant with her seventh child, Merziye, conceived in violation of China's family-planning laws.
"If the Chinese authorities had known I was pregnant they would probably have forced me to abort my baby," she told me.
"So, I prepared my body by wrapping my belly to hide the bump for two hours every day and we managed to pass the border control like that."
Although Kalbinur had applied for passports for all of her children, China's tough restrictions on travel for Xinjiang's ethnic groups meant that only one - for her two-year-old son Muhammed - was granted.
With time running out, she had little choice but to leave the others behind, hoping they could follow with her husband once they'd been given their documents.
As she boarded her flight, she had no idea that she wouldn't see them again.
Kalbinur Tursan working in her tailor shop in 2019
image captionKalbinur, pictured with Merziye, sews clothes to support what is left of her shattered family
Out of sight, sweeping silently across China's vast western region, a campaign of mass-incarceration had already begun with a rapidly expanding network of what were, at first, highly secretive "re-education" camps.
A parallel network of boarding schools was also being built with the same aim; the forced-assimilation of Xinjiang's Uyghurs, Kazakhs and other minority groups whose identity, culture and Islamic traditions were now seen as a threat by the ruling Communist Party.
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One policy paper, published the year after Kalbinur's departure, made clear that the purpose of such boarding schools was to "break the influence of the religious atmosphere" on children living at home.
A few weeks after her departure, her husband was detained and - like so many thousands of other members of the Uyghur diaspora watching their family members disappear from afar - she found herself in exile.
Almost overnight, even calling relatives became impossible because, for those still in Xinjiang, any overseas communication was seen as a potential sign of radicalisation and a key reason for being sent to a camp.
Facing almost certain detention if she returned to Xinjiang, and with her children now parentless, she's had no contact with them at all - except for one shocking discovery.
Kalbinur Tursan at home in Istanbul in 2019
image captionKalbinur has had almost no news about her missing children in years
Searching online in 2018, she came across a video of her daughter, Ayse, now two years older than when she'd last seen her, in a school more than 500 kilometres from the family home.
With her hair shaved short, she was with a group of children being led in a game by a teacher speaking not in Uyghur - her mother tongue - but in Chinese.
For Kalbinur, the video brought both relief - a tangible link to at least one of her lost children - and deep anguish, as a painful, visual reminder of the guilt and grief that have never left her.
"Knowing she was in a different city made me think it's impossible to find my children, even if I do go back," she told me.
"To my children, I want them to know that I didn't abandon them, I had no choice but to leave them behind, because if I had stayed their new-born sister wouldn't have lived."
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Kalbinur's story is just one of a large number of similar accounts of missing children gathered by the BBC from members of Xinjiang's Uyghur and Kazakh diasporas in Turkey and Kazakhstan.
Having first sought their permission, we sent Ambassador Liu Xiaoming the details of six of our interviewees, and attached copies of passports, Chinese ID cards and last-known addresses.
Three of the cases involved parents who had reason to believe their children were now in the care of the Chinese state.
Although his 2019 TV-appearance marked China's first public promise to investigate, similar assurances had already been given in private a few months earlier, when the BBC was taken on a government-organised tour of the camps in Xinjiang.
Camp in Xinjiang
image captionChina's network of "re-education" camps has drawn intense international scrutiny
The initial secrecy had given way to a new strategy, with China insisting that the camps were, in fact, vocational schools in which those under the influence of separatist or extremist ideology willingly had their thoughts "transformed".
The Deputy Director of Xinjiang's Publicity Department, Xu Guixiang, denied that a generation of Uyghur and Kazakh children were being effectively orphaned as whole extended families - including all adult caregivers - were detained or stranded overseas.
"If all family members have been sent to education training centres, that family must have a severe problem," he told me.
"I've never seen such a case."
But when we passed on the details of some of our cases - again, with their prior permission - the officials promised to look into it.
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One of the cases - handed to the officials in Xinjiang and sent to Ambassador Liu - involved not only missing children, but 14 missing grandchildren.
Originally from the village of Bestobe in the county of Kunes in northern Xinjiang, 66-year-old Khalida Akytkankyzy - like many ethnic Kazakhs - had family ties across the border in Kazakhstan.
In 2006 she and her husband, along with their youngest son, decided to emigrate, leaving her other three sons - already married and with children of their own - in Xinjiang.
But in early 2018, the relentless machinery of mass internment caught up with them too.
Khalida Akytkankyzy when she spoke to the BBC in 2019
image captionKhalida Akytkankyzy left Xinjiang in 2006
Khalida received news that her three sons and their wives had all been detained "for political education".
She tried desperately to get information, including calling the Communist Party official in her old village, but no one would tell her who was looking after her grandchildren.
By 2019, when China began claiming that the camps had been successful in combating separatism and terrorism and that almost everyone had "graduated", for Khalida the news only got worse.
Some of Khalida Akytkankyzy's family
image captionKhalida Akytkankyzy not only misses her sons but her 14 missing grandchildren too
With the massive, parallel increase in Xinjiang's formal prison populationcontinuing unabated, her two eldest sons, Satybaldy and Orazjan, were sentenced to 22 years each, and her third son, Akhmetjan, to 10 years.
The village official told her they'd been convicted for "praying".
If there were other reasons for their imprisonment then the authorities have provided no details.
Man praying at imam Asim tomb in the Taklamakan desert, Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, China
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image captionChina is accused of linking ordinary religious expression in Xinjiang to extremism or political separatism
China's UK embassy confirmed receipt of the letter and documents we'd addressed to Ambassador Liu but, although we sent follow-up emails in November 2019 and again in February 2020, our questions remained unanswered.
The officials in Xinjiang told us there was a "discrepancy" in the information we'd handed to them, and advised us to tell our interviewees to contact their nearest Chinese embassies instead.
In July 2020, Ambassador Liu appeared again on the same, live television programme, and was asked what had happened to his promise of a year earlier.
"I never received any names since our last show," he told the interviewer, Andrew Marr.
"I hope that you can give me the names, we certainly will get back to you."
He went on to suggest that his counterparts in Xinjiang would be able to facilitate such requests with ease - "they respond to us very quickly," he added.
So, we followed up again, sending emails in August and September 2020 and in January 2021.
"Chase-up email received," reads the latest response from an official at the embassy. "I regret no progress has been made so far."
Khalida takes part in a protest
IMAGE COPYRIGHTRFE/RFA
image captionKhalida's protests are often blocked by police
Nowadays, Khalida wakes early and takes a number of interconnecting buses to the Chinese consulate in the city of Almaty, just as the officials had advised us to tell her to do.
Carrying photographs of her three sons, however, she finds her daily attempts to seek answers blocked by a line of police.
"It's not just to me," she said in a video interview from her home.
"I'm often there with 10-15 other people and the Chinese consulate doesn't give any information to anyone."
In Turkey, Kalbinur is also still fighting for information about her husband, Abdurehim Rozi, and her five missing children, Abduhalik, Subinur, Abdulsalam, Ayse and Abdullah.
Kalbinur Tursan walking from Istanbul to Ankara
image captionKalbinur organised a 400km walk from Istanbul to Ankara in a bid to break the silence of the Chinese authorities
She recently took part in a 400km walk from Istanbul to Ankara with other Uyghur mothers, in a bid to break the silence of the Chinese authorities about their relatives.
Her campaigning has at least prompted a limited response, in a press conference - chaired by Xinjiang's deputy propaganda chief, Xu Guixiang - denying that her daughter is in a boarding school and insisting instead that the children are being looked after by a relative.
But Kalbinur is still unable to contact them and so China's claims are impossible to verify.
"I want the authorities to let me see my children," she told me over a video call as she took a break from her protest walk at the side of a busy highway.
"In this information age, why can't I contact my children?"
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One of the cases we sent to Ambassador Liu did not involve missing children, but a missing mother instead.
In 2017, Xiamuinuer Pida, a 68-year old retired engineer with a long service record at a Chinese state-run company, was sent to a camp, where she was interned for 18 months before being released.
Her daughter, Reyila Abulaiti, who has lived in the UK since 2002, says the authorities are still refusing to grant her mother a passport, keeping her - like many other former camp inmates - under close surveillance in her home.
Reyila speaks to the BBC in 2019
image captionReyila Abulaiti was born in Xinjiang, and now lives in the UK
During our 2019 visit to Xinjiang, Chinese officials insisted that she was entirely free but simply suffering from ill health, with one of them telling us that many elderly Uyghurs suffer dietary problems - "too much meat and milk," he said.
It was a suggestion that infuriated and saddened Reyila, who told me that her mother had, in fact, lost 15kg (33 pounds) in weight as a result of the harsh conditions during her incarceration.
"They're trying to hide what they are doing," she replied, when asked about the authorities' failure to explain why Xiamuinuer had been sent for re-education.
"She's a well-educated, retired woman, she doesn't need vocational courses. She's been in a camp and they don't want my mum to speak out."
Earlier this year, Liu Xiaoming completed his tenure as Chinese ambassador to the UK, with an online farewell to British politicians and dignitaries and with his promise still unmet by the Chinese authorities.
Meanwhile, I've been forced to leave China as a result of the increasing pressure from the authorities over my journalism and, in particular, a growing number of threats to sue me over my reporting on Xinjiang.
Liu Xiaoming on the BBC
image captionLiu Xiaoming has now completed his tenure as Chinese ambassador to the UK
Some of those threats have come directly from Xu Guixiang, the official I'd interviewed two years previously in Xinjiang.
The BBC had produced "fake news" and violated professional ethics, he told China's Communist Party-run media.
Yet despite the continued insistence of Chinese officials that - if we provided names - a quick search would easily disprove that families were being forcibly divided, they have offered only silence.
In addition to those already mentioned, we're still waiting to learn the whereabouts of a number of other children, including those of Yasin Zunun, who suspects that Muslima, Fatima, Parhat, Nurbiya and Asma are in a boarding school.
Merbet Maripet has heard nothing from her four children, Abdurahman, Muhammad, Adila and Mardan since 2017, and also believes they're now in the care of the state.
We asked the Chinese Foreign Ministry why no branch of government has been able to deliver on the clear promises to provide information about the missing individuals.
No response was received before this report was published.
Producer: Kathy Long

 
"Going to miss my campus life and my friends‘’, Uighur girl from a rural Xinjiang village graduates from college today and share this moment important moment of her life with friends. After taking graducation photos and saying goodbye to classmates, she goes to pick up her twin sister, who graduates from another university, and together they go back to their home village.

Xinjiang offers 15 years free education from kingdergarten to high school, after high school, poor families can enjoy handsome scholarship for college. Now almost every youngster in Xinjiang can attend college, unprecedented in the whole history.

 
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"Going to miss my campus life and my friends‘’, Uighur girl from a rural Xinjiang village graduates from college today and share this moment important moment of her life with friends. After taking graducation photos and saying goodbye to classmates, she goes to pick up her twin sister, who graduates from another university, and together they go back to their home village.

Xinjiang offers 15 years free education from kingdergarten to high school, after high school, poor families can enjoy handsome scholarship for college. Now almost every youngster in Xinjiang can attend college, unprecedented in the whole history.


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China has created a dystopian hellscape in Xinjiang, Amnesty report says
By Joel Gunter
BBC News

Published10 June
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Members of the Muslim Uighur minority hold placards as they demonstrate to ask for news of their relatives and to express their concern about the ratification of an extradition treaty between China and Turkey at Uskudar square in Istanbul on February 26, 2021.
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image captionChina's alleged abuses in Xinjiang have generated global outrage since an escalation in 2017
The human rights organisation Amnesty International has said China is committing crimes against humanity in Xinjiang, the north-western region that is home to the Uyghurs and other Muslim minorities.
In a report published on Thursday, Amnesty called on the UN to investigate, saying China had subjected Uyghurs, Kazakhs, and other Muslims to mass detention, surveillance, and torture.
Agnès Callamard, the secretary general of Amnesty International, accused Chinese authorities of creating "a dystopian hellscape on a staggering scale".
"It should shock the conscience of humanity that massive numbers of people have been subjected to brainwashing, torture and other degrading treatment in internment camps, while millions more live in fear amid a vast surveillance apparatus," Ms Callamard said.
She also accused the UN Secretary General António Guterres of "failing to act according to his mandate".
Mr Guterres "has not denounced the situation, he has not called for an international investigation", Ms Callamard told the BBC. "It is incumbent on him to protect the values upon which the United Nations has been founded, and certainly not to stay silent in front of crimes against humanity," she said.
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In a 160-page report based on interviews with 55 former detainees, Amnesty said there was evidence the Chinese state had committed "at least the following crimes against humanity: imprisonment or other severe deprivation of physical liberty in violation of fundamental rules of international law; torture; and persecution."
The report follows a similar set of findings by Human Rights Watch, which said in an April report that it believed the Chinese government was responsible for crimes against humanity.
China has been accused by some Western nations and rights groups of pursuing a genocide against the Turkic ethnic groups in Xinjiang - though there is dispute over whether the state's actions constitute a genocide.
The author of the Amnesty report, Jonathan Loeb, said at press conference on Thursday that the organisation's research "did not reveal that all the evidence of the crime of genocide had occurred" but that it had so far "only scratched the surface".
China routinely denies all accusations of human rights abuses in Xinjiang.
'Severe violence and intimidation'
Experts generally agree that China has detained as many as a million Uyghurs and other Muslims and imprisoned hundreds of thousands more in its crackdown in Xinjiang, which began in 2017.
There have been widespread reports of physical and psychological torture inside prisons and detention camps in the region.
China has also been accused of using forced sterilisation, abortion, and population transfer to reduce birth rates and population density, and of targeting religious leaders to break religious and cultural traditions.
China denies those accusations, and says its camps in Xinjiang are voluntary vocational and de-radicalisation programmes for combating terrorism in the region.
In its report, Amnesty said counter-terrorism could not reasonably account for mass detention, and that the Chinese government's actions showed a "clear intent to target parts of Xinjiang's population collectively on the basis of religion and ethnicity and to use severe violence and intimidation to root out Islamic religious beliefs and Turkic Muslim ethno-cultural practices".
This photo taken on June 2, 2019, shows buildings at the Artux City Vocational Skills Education Training Service Center, believed to be a re-education camp where mostly Muslim ethnic minorities are detained, north of Kashgar in China's north-western Xinjiang region.
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image captionChina is accused of detaining up to a million Uyghurs and other Muslims in detention camps in Xinjiang
The organisation said it believed those taken to the network of camps in Xinjiang were "subjected to a ceaseless indoctrination campaign as well as physical and psychological torture".
Those torture methods, according to the report, included "beatings, electric shocks, stress positions, the unlawful use of restraints (including being locked in a tiger chair), sleep deprivation, being hung from a wall, being subjected to extremely cold temperatures, and solitary confinement".
The "tiger chair" - the existence of which has been reported elsewhere - is said to be a steel chair with leg irons and handcuffs designed to shackle the body in place. Several former detainees told Amnesty they were forced to watch others locked immobile in the tiger chair for hours or even days at a time.
Amnesty also said that the camp system in Xinjiang appeared to be "operating outside the scope of the Chinese criminal justice system or other known domestic law", and that there was evidence detainees had been transferred from camps to prisons.
Though many of the findings have been previously reported, Amnesty's investigation is likely to add to international pressure on China. The US state department has previously described China's actions in Xinjiang as a genocide, and the parliaments of the UK, Canada, Netherlands and Lithuania have passed resolutions making the same declaration.
In March, the EU, US, UK and Canada imposed sanctions on Chinese officials over the alleged abuses. China responded by imposing retaliatory sanctions on lawmakers, researchers and institutions.
The possibility of China being investigated by an international legal body is complicated by the fact that China is not a signatory to the International Criminal Court (ICC) - putting it outside the court's jurisdiction - and it has veto power over cases taken up by the International Court of Justice. The ICC announced in December it would not pursue a case.
An independent series of hearings was held in London last week, led by the prominent British barrister Sir Geoffrey Nice, aiming to assess the allegations of genocide.

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An Independent East Turkestan will be bad for Pakistan
those 39 who voted that an independent Xinjiang won't be bad for Pakistan are either retarded or are not Pakistanis.

how is Pakistan going to connect Gwadar to China? is NATO member Turkey going to allow Pakistan access to China thru "turkestan"? not on your life!
 
"Is this the same village I used to live when I was a child"?
This Uighur girl from southern Xinjiang Kashgar city visits a small rural village she used to live in southern Xinjiang desert region, she recalled that the village back then didn't have any paved roads, only dirt roads and because it is in the desert region, the dirt and sand built up really fast, when she walked on those dirt roads, the dirt and dust can come up to bury her ankles.
But look at it now, do you believe it is just a village? Government free earthquake resistant houses replaced every adobe house they used to live, trees and greenery are everywhere and the village has several village squares and even a museum....
The changes are just mind blowing...

 
Uighur girl in Urumqi shows you the city light show for celebrationg of the 100th anniversary of the Chinese Communist Party, she said she was so happy and the city streets were packed with city residents enjoying this light show and celebrating this important day.

 

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