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Who is this @aziqbal poster are you mentally retarded or something why you keep posting outside the mega-thread you already got banned for it many times.. @waz @PakSword @LeGenD please clean the forum up... This is a spammed propaganda we are not born yesterday it won't be spammed here where we already have many topics to talk about.... Take it to the mega-thread at your pleasure
 
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And yet no Palestinian ever got to testify on how they are treated under the apartheid state of Israel in a 'People's Tribunal' in little uk for the past 50 years, The reason is the union jack hated Muslims, They hated Chinese, But now they love Chinese Muslims all of the sudden.

So it's okay to let the uighurs be genocided because Israel is doing it to the palestinian?

How about you condemn both & call out both country.

I know super hard right?
 
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In case you don't know Grayzone is a propaganda website.

The Grayzone - RationalWiki
For a supposedly "leftist" blog, editors of The Grayzone have either: a) promoted far right antisemitic beliefs, b) been promoted by alt-right activists, or c) promoted far-right activists themselves.

  • For example, Richard Spencer shouted Max Blumenthal in a tweet.[5] Although this might be guilt by association, it is totally normal that a notorious far-right leader would promote a left-wing journalist /sarcasm.
  • Ben Norton, another major editor of The Grayzone, has retweeted[6] a fascist and Holocaust denier.[7] The account also supports a race war[8], is very sexist and homophobic[9] .
  • Max Blumenthal and Anya Parampil, who are married (Parampil formerly worked for RT), frequently appear on Fox News with Tucker Carlson.[10]
  • Zero Hedge cites The Grayzone multiple times.[11][12][13][14][15][16]
  • Max Blumenthal, whose father (Sidney Blumenthal
    Wikipedia
    ) is Jewish, is an antisemite who compares Israel to Nazi Germany in Goliath: Life and Loathing in Greater Israel (2013).
  • He was banned from the German parliament and the opposition party for his antisemitic views.[17]
  • Blumenthal also compares Israel to ISIS.[18]
  • David Duke praised him for his work.[19]
  • Blumenthal's articles are republished by the alt-right The Unz Review[20]
  • Their podcast, Moderate Rebels, promotes white nationalist Pepe Escobar.[21]
So, next time if you hear The Grayzone calling everyone they disagree with far-right, bring these up.

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The Grayzone: Anti-Americanism Isn't an Ideology | BadEmpanada - YouTube

Here's the article debunking grayzone claim that there is no genocide in xinjiang.
China Law & Policy (chinalawandpolicy.com)

It’s sad that you go with the MSM smear. Of course the whole establishment media regard Grayzone as propaganda. As they won’t toe the establishment narrative. The same Russiagate or Saddam’s WDM narrative. I can guarantee that any one deny WDM in 2003 would be smeared and treated as an enemy. Just like how the establishment is treating Grayzone.

never again I would be deceived like in 2003.
 
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So it's okay to let the uighurs be genocided because Israel is doing it to the palestinian?

How about you condemn both & call out both country.

I know super hard right?
For the past 60 years not only the evil westerners kept total silence on the Palestinian genocide by the israel, They throw their unwavering support behind their genocidal israeli bodies, Even today they refuse to condemn the killing of Palestinian children:
And then, These evils turn around and treat us like children and start shedding crocodile tears for the uighurs to get us rallied against China so they sit aside and get us do their dirty work for them, using uighurs as their geopolitical condoms in the process.

But the only enemies of Islam and Muslims are these evil westerners roaming around on the holy Middles Eastern grounds, Always have been, Always will be. And by grace of Allah, They will be cleansed from this earth by the righteous mujahids.
 
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"Max Blumenthal (...) is an antisemitic"

This is the exact definition of the West

I don't like onion soup and therefore onion soup is antisemitic

a boring soccer game is antisemitic

a bad traffic day in a big city is antisemitic

my mother in law is antisemitic

and anyone who dares to criticize "our colonial project" is antisemitic
 
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so what are all those buildings built between 2019-2021 in Xinjging with blue roofs? toy factories ?

why did China not give access to Human right commissioner after 27 requests ?

Genocide is now recognised by the international community and it will be referred to as such, a Genocide and ethnic cleansing

China has also taken Han Chinese families and told them to adopt the Ughurs and force them into converting to Han Chinese

China also did this in Tibet and HK
You are saying they cannot build anything in Xinjiang?
 
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It’s sad that you go with the MSM smear. Of course the whole establishment media regard Grayzone as propaganda. As they won’t toe the establishment narrative. The same Russiagate or Saddam’s WDM narrative. I can guarantee that any one deny WDM in 2003 would be smeared and treated as an enemy. Just like how the establishment is treating Grayzone.

never again I would be deceived like in 2003.

Instead you get deceived by russian propaganda outlet. How is that an improvement?

Also russiagate is real. Robert Mueller even testify under oath & named DJT as prime suspect. Trump Tower meeting - Wikipedia

This is why gullible people like you who immediately believes Russian & chinese propaganda are even worse than Trump supporters.

So far even non mainstream outlet confirm that situation in Xinjiang can be classified as genocide.
 
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Instead you get deceived by russian propaganda outlet. How is that an improvement?

Also russiagate is real. Robert Mueller even testify under oath & named DJT as prime suspect. Trump Tower meeting - Wikipedia

This is why gullible people like you who immediately believes Russian & chinese propaganda are even worse than Trump supporters.

So far even non mainstream outlet confirm that situation in Xinjiang can be classified as genocide.

If you still think Russiagate is real, than you must be still looking for Iraqi WDM. The MSM really get you good.
 
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If you still think Russiagate is real, than you must be still looking for Iraqi WDM. The MSM really get you good.

There's around 30 people convicted with over 100 criminal charges filed against them. It's real alright.

Let me guess you prob listen to jimmy dore if you read Grayzone. Did you know he's a sexual predator? Just pointing out the kind of people you support.
 
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There's around 30 people convicted with over 100 criminal charges filed against them. It's real alright.

Let me guess you prob listen to jimmy dore if you read Grayzone. Did you know he's a sexual predator? Just pointing out the kind of people you support.

Ana, is that you. Ana???
TYT stooge like you support them because you are exposed as MSM shill.And you like being shills. Why even exist if you sound like Rachel Maddow. Did you see the Roger Waters interview in Katie Helper show. That was golden, isn’t it. He tore you up, Ana.
 
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mr ostrich, there are witness accounts collected by Amnesty International now.
and like the suspicions about possible WMDs in Iraq was Saddam's responsibility to *disprove*, and like Iran and North-Korea have the responsibility to prove their ongoing innocence when it comes to nuclear weapons development, China bears the burden of proving it's own innocence regarding the claims of crimes against humanity and ethnicities in China.

Chinese re-education, labor and prison camps are notoriously secretive and hard to get cameras into.

the crimes against humanity and ethnicities that China is accused of are so horrendous that China has to prove itself innocent of said charges.

the only way to do *that*, is to allow any camera team from anywhere at all times full access to all of China's re-education, labor and prison camps.

failure to do so will surely lead to increasingly stiff boycotts and sanctions getting placed on China by the rest of the world..

so US treating China like an enemy can level any sort of vicious accusation at china, and china has to prove itself innocent? No, it doesn't work this way, the party making the accusation has to provide evidence, otherwise US can constantly make vicious accusation against china, and China has to constantly force itself to open up for CIA agents for "inspection". US makes accusation, US has to provide evidence, period. US will never allow itself for investigation. After international court accused US of war crimes in Afghanistan, which drew international condemnation, and UN started investigation, guess what US did? US sanctioned judges in the UN court, effectively blocked international court investigation of US war crimes.

The Iraqi WMD issue is exactly the reason why US has to provide proof when it makes accusation. European went along with the American lies without demanding US providing proofs of WMD, and now over 2M innocent are dead in Iraq due to American atrocious war crime committed there and no WMD were ever found. US lies, it then invades, it proves over and over why the party making lies and accusations have to show the proof first.


Guess how much overall chinese population has dropped in the same period? Intentionally only picking out Uyghur numbers yet ignore overall drop in population growth rate of entire China? As people become richer, they tend to have less children, and the increasing cost of educating child is also an issue, why are these not factored in?
 
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So it's okay to let the uighurs be genocided because Israel is doing it to the palestinian?

How about you condemn both & call out both country.

I know super hard right?

There are tons of pictures and videos of Palestinian being bombed to dust by Israel using American provided bombs, while there hasn't been a single dead body US can provide as proof of so called "Uyghur genocide". Besides Xinjiang is a tourist hotspot, tons of foreign and Chinese tourist go there each day, so you saying China want foreigner tourists to go there to witness "genocide" themselves? What's surprising is that many of you are against propaganda when US media smears against Muslims, yet when US media smears against china, all you thinks its the truth.
 
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so US treating China like an enemy can level any sort of vicious accusation at china, and china has to prove itself innocent? No, it doesn't work this way, the party making the accusation has to provide evidence, otherwise US can constantly make vicious accusation against china, and China has to constantly force itself to open up for CIA agents for "inspection". US makes accusation, US has to provide evidence, period. US will never allow itself for investigation. After international court accused US of war crimes in Afghanistan and started investigation, guess what US did? US sanctioned judges in the UN court, effectively blocked international court investigation of US war crimes.

The Iraqi WMD issue is exactly the reason why US has to provide proof when it makes accusation. European went along with the American lies without demanding US providing proofs of WMD, and now over 2M innocent are dead in Iraq due to American atrocious war crime committed there and no WMD were ever found. US lies, it then invades, it proves over and over why the party making lies and accusations have to show the proof first.

according to wikipedia at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War, the highest confirmed number of casualties in the Iraq war was one million, not two. Other equally independent estimates put the number much lower.

The Central Tibetan Administration claimed that the number that have died of starvation, violence, or other indirect causes since 1950 is approximately 1.2 million.[64]

but my main point here is this :
blaming the other side for their misconduct during wars and population control missions ultimately leads to an atmosphere (on an entire forum, as we see these days on defence.pk) of warmongering, and likely also lead to more of the same (mass-)suffering you claim to find morally detestable (and rightfully so, we agree on this point actually).

it takes actual peacemaker skills and courage, to look at, and write to, one's own government party/parties and media organisations to help prevent such repeats of horrible events and practices.
and for the record : i already do this.

it's ok for you all to point out what the west can do better, and what it had better not repeat.
but if you do so without adressing your own gorram governments about what *they* do wrong to people under *their* control, then i won't take you seriously.

and you're completely crazy when you say evidence has to be provided by the accuser, while the accused keeps the facilities where the accusations lead to are kept under a tight lock and seal.
There are tons of pictures and videos of Palestinian being bombed to dust by Israel using American provided bombs, while there hasn't been a single dead body US can provide as proof of so called "Uyghur genocide". Besides Xinjiang is a tourist hotspot, tons of foreign and Chinese tourist go there each day, so you saying China want foreigner tourists to go there to witness "genocide" themselves? What's surprising is that many of you are against propaganda when US media smears against Muslims, yet when US media smears against china, all you thinks its the truth.
once again, the facilities where these crimes against humanity happen in China, are kept under a very tight lock and secrecy, even flat-out denial.

your response to the accusations is not good enough, Chinese.
far from it.
 
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according to wikipedia at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War, the highest confirmed number of casualties in the Iraq war was one million, not two. Other equally independent estimates put the number much lower.



but my main point here is this :
blaming the other side for their misconduct during wars and population control missions ultimately leads to an atmosphere (on an entire forum, as we see these days on defence.pk) of warmongering, and likely also lead to more of the same (mass-)suffering you claim to find morally detestable (and rightfully so, we agree on this point actually).

it takes actual peacemaker skills and courage, to look at, and write to, one's own government party/parties and media organisations to help prevent such repeats of horrible events and practices.
and for the record : i already do this.

it's ok for you all to point out what the west can do better, and what it had better not repeat.
but if you do so without adressing your own gorram governments about what *they* do wrong to people under *their* control, then i won't take you seriously.

and you're completely crazy when you say evidence has to be provided by the accuser, while the accused keeps the facilities where the accusations lead to are kept under a tight lock and seal.

once again, the facilities where these crimes against humanity happen in China, are kept under a very tight lock and secrecy, even flat-out denial.

your response to the accusations is not good enough, Chinese.
far from it.

accuser providing evidence is the bedrock of every country's legal system, it's not crazy, it's the norm. US sanctioned UN court judges for investigating US massive war crimes, and it blocked any investigation into its crime, so china will not take US seriously when US asks China to open it itself up for inspection, especially when it can't even provide one single first hand concrete proof. You talk about "secret" facilities, no, china has no obligation to open itself up for any foreign inspection just because you are accusing it, unless you can provide one single concrete proof to date, which US has provided none, zero. Same thing, US will never allow itself for international inspection either, despite massive war crimes it committed around the world.
 
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