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Can somebody merge this into http://www.defence.pk/forums/curren...s-children-rally-support-islamic-charity.html
All Pakistanis regardless of religion rally in support of Jamaat Ud Dawa!
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I also have this thread.... 3 threads need to be merged
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Students of Dawa schools uncertain about completion of academic year
Parents consider changing schools as last option
Thursday, December 18, 2008
By Farooq Baloch
Karachi
Students from schools which come under the umbrella of the Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) fear that they may not be able to complete the academic year if their schools are closed. Their parents are worried too, while some are considering other schools as the last option for their children’s education, The News has learnt.
Meanwhile, students of Dawa schools protested on Wednesday outside the Karachi Press Club (KPC) to condemn the government’s action against their schools. Almost all protestors were under the age of 12 and did not display an understanding of why their schools were being closed. Many had a common answer to why they chose to study at Dawa schools. ‘Teachers at Dawa schools give us religious education which includes the Holy Quran,’ they said. Some students also cited Hifz-e-Quran as the principal cause of the high enrolment at Dawa schools.
“They charge very little fee (between Rs150 and Rs250), and only Rs400 rupees are charged for those who wish to become Hafiz-e-Quran,” a grade 6 student from one such school in Landhi said.
The student who was the oldest in the entire group appeared clueless, however, regarding the JuD’s alleged involvement in the Mumbai terror attacks. He maintained that it must be a rumour. He also said that their parents are concerned about their education, and some are already asking the school management about transferring their children to other schools.
In the wake of the recent Mumbai attacks, the Indian government presented a resolution before the UN Security Council (UNSC). The latter then instructed Pakistan to ban what the UNSC believes are terrorist organisations. Security forces launched a countrywide crackdown on the JuD and its derivative institutions, including schools, hospitals and ambulance services.
The JuD has 158 schools and three colleges across the country, which cater to more than 24,000 students. In Karachi alone, the organisation runs 14 schools, each having more than 300 students on average. The JuD operates 26 schools and two colleges in the rest of Sindh, with approximately 5,000 students and 150 teachers. All of these schools are registered with the local examination boards for classes nine to twelve, while lower secondary schools follow their own syllabus, which includes both English and Arabic as compulsory subjects.
JuD media coordinator Nadeem Ahmed told The News that police personnel raided one of their schools in Malir, arrested the principal and sealed the school premises. “They interrogated teachers and other staff in front of students. This has tarnished the reputation of our schools,” he said. “We closed all schools in Karachi to ensure that this should not happen again at least in the presence of students.”
Moreover, teachers from JuD schools have been asked to report to the area police stations along with their CNICs. “Our teachers have to assure the local police that they have no criminal record. Only then would they be allowed to work freely,” Ahmed said, adding however, that teachers at JuD schools are not affiliated with the JuD itself. “The number of teachers who are JuD activists is negligible. We appoint teachers on the basis of merit. Most of the heads of our schools also have no connection with the Jamaat either,” he said.
Due to the prevailing situation, JuD schools have announced their winter vacations a few days earlier than planned in the hope that things will be normal when the students return in January.
“Six of our schools located in Badin, Golachi, Matli, Tando Muhammad Khan, Sakran and Tando Allahyar were sealed by security forces,” JuD coordinator, Faisal Nadeem said. “This crackdown spread panic and fear among parents who did not send their children to other JuD schools which were not closed.”
Nadeem added, meanwhile, 0that four of the sealed schools were opened later because of efforts made “at a personal level.”
What a joke... banning without proof. Bullshit.
Parents consider changing schools as last option
Thursday, December 18, 2008
By Farooq Baloch
Karachi
Students from schools which come under the umbrella of the Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) fear that they may not be able to complete the academic year if their schools are closed. Their parents are worried too, while some are considering other schools as the last option for their children’s education, The News has learnt.
Meanwhile, students of Dawa schools protested on Wednesday outside the Karachi Press Club (KPC) to condemn the government’s action against their schools. Almost all protestors were under the age of 12 and did not display an understanding of why their schools were being closed. Many had a common answer to why they chose to study at Dawa schools. ‘Teachers at Dawa schools give us religious education which includes the Holy Quran,’ they said. Some students also cited Hifz-e-Quran as the principal cause of the high enrolment at Dawa schools.
“They charge very little fee (between Rs150 and Rs250), and only Rs400 rupees are charged for those who wish to become Hafiz-e-Quran,” a grade 6 student from one such school in Landhi said.
The student who was the oldest in the entire group appeared clueless, however, regarding the JuD’s alleged involvement in the Mumbai terror attacks. He maintained that it must be a rumour. He also said that their parents are concerned about their education, and some are already asking the school management about transferring their children to other schools.
In the wake of the recent Mumbai attacks, the Indian government presented a resolution before the UN Security Council (UNSC). The latter then instructed Pakistan to ban what the UNSC believes are terrorist organisations. Security forces launched a countrywide crackdown on the JuD and its derivative institutions, including schools, hospitals and ambulance services.
The JuD has 158 schools and three colleges across the country, which cater to more than 24,000 students. In Karachi alone, the organisation runs 14 schools, each having more than 300 students on average. The JuD operates 26 schools and two colleges in the rest of Sindh, with approximately 5,000 students and 150 teachers. All of these schools are registered with the local examination boards for classes nine to twelve, while lower secondary schools follow their own syllabus, which includes both English and Arabic as compulsory subjects.
JuD media coordinator Nadeem Ahmed told The News that police personnel raided one of their schools in Malir, arrested the principal and sealed the school premises. “They interrogated teachers and other staff in front of students. This has tarnished the reputation of our schools,” he said. “We closed all schools in Karachi to ensure that this should not happen again at least in the presence of students.”
Moreover, teachers from JuD schools have been asked to report to the area police stations along with their CNICs. “Our teachers have to assure the local police that they have no criminal record. Only then would they be allowed to work freely,” Ahmed said, adding however, that teachers at JuD schools are not affiliated with the JuD itself. “The number of teachers who are JuD activists is negligible. We appoint teachers on the basis of merit. Most of the heads of our schools also have no connection with the Jamaat either,” he said.
Due to the prevailing situation, JuD schools have announced their winter vacations a few days earlier than planned in the hope that things will be normal when the students return in January.
“Six of our schools located in Badin, Golachi, Matli, Tando Muhammad Khan, Sakran and Tando Allahyar were sealed by security forces,” JuD coordinator, Faisal Nadeem said. “This crackdown spread panic and fear among parents who did not send their children to other JuD schools which were not closed.”
Nadeem added, meanwhile, 0that four of the sealed schools were opened later because of efforts made “at a personal level.”
What a joke... banning without proof. Bullshit.
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Women and children protest Jama’t-ud-Da’wah ban in Karachi
16-Dec-2008, 17th Dhul Hijjah, 1429
KARACHI – Scores of women and children protested the government’s ban on Jama’t-ud-Da’wah in front of the Karachi Press Club yesterday, and said this ban will result in extinguishing the flame in countless kitchen stoves around the country. The BBC reported that protesting women and children were also carrying banners with slogans decrying the government’s ban on Jama’t-ud-Da’wah. The protesting women and children said Jama’t-ud-Da’wah not only provides them food rations on a monthly basis, it also provides them with free medical care and medicines, and arranges for the education of their children.
One of the protesters, a young girl, said she has ten brothers and sisters; her parents were very old, and she lives in the rundown rural area of Rayhri Goth. The poor girl said, “People of this organization (Jama’t-ud-Da’wah) are very good and kind. They give us food rations for the whole month, plus some spending money too, for buying necessities. And when anyone in our village falls sick they go to their dispensary where they receive free medical care.”
Mrs. Abdullah, who had come from Model Colony, Malir, said, “The ban on Jama’t-ud-Da’wah will result in extinguishing the flame in hundreds of kitchen stoves around the country,” and said, “This ban on Jama’t-ud-Da’wah is a manifest crime against poor people.” “An organization which supports hundreds of homes, and which has eight medical centers in a city like Karachi, where poor people are treated free, can never be a terrorist organization,” She said.
Another member of the protest rally, Ms Shameem, who had come all the way from Orangi Town, said, “Ban on Jama’t-ud-Da’wah would result in cutting off assistance to poor people.” “No one will help these people; not even the government, if Jama’t-ud-Da’wah banned,” she said. “Law enforcement authorities have not put padlocks on Jama’t-ud-Da’wah’s offices,” she lamented, “They have put padlock on our food rations.”
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16-Dec-2008, 17th Dhul Hijjah, 1429
KARACHI – Scores of women and children protested the government’s ban on Jama’t-ud-Da’wah in front of the Karachi Press Club yesterday, and said this ban will result in extinguishing the flame in countless kitchen stoves around the country. The BBC reported that protesting women and children were also carrying banners with slogans decrying the government’s ban on Jama’t-ud-Da’wah. The protesting women and children said Jama’t-ud-Da’wah not only provides them food rations on a monthly basis, it also provides them with free medical care and medicines, and arranges for the education of their children.
One of the protesters, a young girl, said she has ten brothers and sisters; her parents were very old, and she lives in the rundown rural area of Rayhri Goth. The poor girl said, “People of this organization (Jama’t-ud-Da’wah) are very good and kind. They give us food rations for the whole month, plus some spending money too, for buying necessities. And when anyone in our village falls sick they go to their dispensary where they receive free medical care.”
Mrs. Abdullah, who had come from Model Colony, Malir, said, “The ban on Jama’t-ud-Da’wah will result in extinguishing the flame in hundreds of kitchen stoves around the country,” and said, “This ban on Jama’t-ud-Da’wah is a manifest crime against poor people.” “An organization which supports hundreds of homes, and which has eight medical centers in a city like Karachi, where poor people are treated free, can never be a terrorist organization,” She said.
Another member of the protest rally, Ms Shameem, who had come all the way from Orangi Town, said, “Ban on Jama’t-ud-Da’wah would result in cutting off assistance to poor people.” “No one will help these people; not even the government, if Jama’t-ud-Da’wah banned,” she said. “Law enforcement authorities have not put padlocks on Jama’t-ud-Da’wah’s offices,” she lamented, “They have put padlock on our food rations.”
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6,000 benefit daily from 156 Jama’t-ud-Da’wah dispensaries
11-Dec-2008, 12th Dhul Hijjah, 1429
Jama’t-ud-Da’wah is currently operating 156 dispensaries throughout the country from which an average of 6,000 sick people benefit everyday in the form of free medical care and free medicines. These dispensaries are operating in various cities and towns throughout Pakistan where qualified Jama’t-ud-Da’wah workers and volunteers provide round the clock free medical care to people who either do not have a medical facility in or near their town or village, or those who simply cannot afford to pay a doctor’s standard fee.
Along with these free dispensaries, Jama’t-ud-Da’wah also operates an ambulance service in various towns and cities. There are currently 73 fully equipped vehicles in Jama’t-ud-Da’wah’s ambulance fleet. Thousand of patients benefit from the services of these ambulances everyday as they transport sick people to and from villages and major hospitals in large cities.
Moreover, Jama’t-ud-Da’wah also operates several hospitals in Daska, Sialkot, Gujranwala, Mureedkay, Rawalpindi, Mansehra, and Balakot, where thousands of people benefit from free quality medical care daily.
11-Dec-2008, 12th Dhul Hijjah, 1429
Jama’t-ud-Da’wah is currently operating 156 dispensaries throughout the country from which an average of 6,000 sick people benefit everyday in the form of free medical care and free medicines. These dispensaries are operating in various cities and towns throughout Pakistan where qualified Jama’t-ud-Da’wah workers and volunteers provide round the clock free medical care to people who either do not have a medical facility in or near their town or village, or those who simply cannot afford to pay a doctor’s standard fee.
Along with these free dispensaries, Jama’t-ud-Da’wah also operates an ambulance service in various towns and cities. There are currently 73 fully equipped vehicles in Jama’t-ud-Da’wah’s ambulance fleet. Thousand of patients benefit from the services of these ambulances everyday as they transport sick people to and from villages and major hospitals in large cities.
Moreover, Jama’t-ud-Da’wah also operates several hospitals in Daska, Sialkot, Gujranwala, Mureedkay, Rawalpindi, Mansehra, and Balakot, where thousands of people benefit from free quality medical care daily.
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Ignorance, confusion, or a sinister deliberateness?
17-Dec-2008, 18th Dhul Hijjah, 1429
By Shireen M Mazari
The post-Mumbai signals coming from the leadership in Islamabad has proven one thing: ignorance is a costly burden the nation of Pakistan has to bear. But increasingly the question that keeps coming to the fore is whether our leaders are truly mired in their own ignorance, or in a state of genuine confusion, or is there a more sinister agenda being played out. After all, even the most ill-informed leader has at his disposal expertise and some institutional history from the national civil and military bureaucracy – even if one were to forget the growing relevancy of specialised professionalism. So is something seriously wrong with the Pakistani leadership today or is there a covert agenda that is being played out? Let us look to the facts that have hit us since Mumbai.
The most recent incident was the incursion of Indian fighter planes into Pakistani airspace at two sensitive spots – Lahore and AJK. Given that the Indians had been ranting and raving about carrying out surgical strikes against targets in Muridke and AJK, these intrusions were significant. Yet, in the mildest of language the Pakistan Air Force, which mercifully proved quick to scramble in response, referred to these violations of Pakistani airspace as “technical violations” – that is they did not penetrate deep into our air space. But there was never any doubt that the intrusions were probes into our scramble time. But what did our political leadership do? They immediately went to bat for the Indians by referring to the intrusions as “technical faults” – similar I suppose to PIA’s many delays! In fact the president even used hand actions, perhaps to show his aerial knowledge to the British prime minister standing next to him, to explain how the “technical fault” had occurred! Now, the disturbing question is: were the president, prime minister and information minister really unable to distinguish the meaning of “technical fault” and “technical violation”. It is distressing because apparently the military had briefed these leaders on the meaning of the latter! It is only on seeing the helpful role being played by the Pakistani leaders that the Indians went along and said no intrusion had really taken place except inadvertently. Inadvertently and simultaneously, in two different locations? I ask you how gullible the Indians think we are – or perhaps they are judging us by our present leaders!
War in not a feasible option for India or Pakistan but surgical strikes are definitely being contemplated by the Indians. After all, they are seeing our governments’ (previous and present) acquiescence to constant drone attacks targeting our nationals including women and children so they feel they may “get away” with a few surgical strikes especially with US and UK backing. But the key to their success would lie in their ability to get their planes back safely. Hence the need to test our scramble time. It is in this context also that the controversial call to the president makes sense – again a test of our ability to move to alert status. On Monday, December 15, there was some news flowing in that at 11:30 am Indian intrusions had again taken place along Narowal, near Kalakhatai and Narang Mandi but that the GoP had blacked out this news from the media. However, this information could not be officially verified. What was known was that now NATO planes had joined US drones in violating our airspace in Balochistan near Chaman. So what is happening? Is our military losing its ability for rapid response to military threats against the country? Or is there something more sinister going on at the covert level?
After all, it is now becoming evident that the US is targeting our military and its related organisations, especially the ISI. Ever since the ISI fell out with the CIA about a year ago, it has become a target of US intrusiveness. Apart from the rantings of the US administration, equally ignorant but failed American politicians are also now telling us to “bring the ISI under Islamabad’s control” - presumably meaning “civilian control”. Perhaps these ignoramuses need to be informed that the ISI is already under prime ministerial control. Instead, our political leadership continues to allow such poisonous foreigners to hold forth on issues they are barely informed about. And we know how the US acts on ignorance – Iraq is the present reminder but US history is replete with such horror stories of imperial arrogance. While on the subject, perhaps our president could have reminded Britain’s Gordon Brown that it is his country that has been refusing to sign an extradition treaty with Pakistan – so why should we now make unilateral concessions once again?
And what of the now-forgotten blunder of the prime minister declaring to send the ISI DG to India without realising the consequences. Was this mere ignorance, confusion – given how the presidency then distanced itself from this decision and eventually the GoP declared that that was never the intent – or again a failed move in a more sinister agenda?
Which brings one to yet another absurdity – that of the UN Security Council Al Qaeda and Taliban sanctions Committee (originally set up under UNSC resolution 1267 of 1999 where first it was just targeting Taliban and then Al Qaeda was added on) adding the Jamaat-ut-Daawa and four Pakistanis to its terror list as defined by the requirements of the 1267 committee. These names had been there for some time but on earlier occasions the committee, comprising 15 members of the UN Security Council, had failed to put them on the proscribed list. This was a result of our professional diplomacy and support from allies like China. From information acquired from highly reliable sources, it appears that the Chinese once again approached us but we chose to allow the committee to put these names on the proscribed list. One absurd explanation is that our government felt this would ease pressure on Pakistan – pressure on what? Another case of a costly ignorance, confusion, or something more sinister? After all, with the ISI and the Pakistani military being targeted, all these moves spurred by the US in the UN Security Council when linked together move us further down an abyss where the eventual target will be our nuclear assets. Or is the larger picture not visible to the present leadership – both civilian and military?
Ironically, the ignorance of the US and its allies is such that they let the UN Security Council ban a dead man – Mohammad Ashraf. He apparently was the finance secretary of the Daawa but died six years ago in Hyderabad, according to a Pakistani news report. The UN really should have better information before it acts. But what is even more bizarre is the declaration by our political leaders, including the foreign minister that Daawa is not a terrorist organisation – then why was there no proactive diplomacy in the corridors of the UN? (The committee’s meetings are closed-door meetings but the agendas are published beforehand within the UN and interested states can get more details from their allies in the UN Security Council.) Of course, eventually some of the information will be given to the GoP regarding intelligence received from certain countries which led to the move in the first place. But the damage has been done.
Even more disturbing is the fact that the UN Security Council’s anti-terror committees are seemingly targeting only Muslim groups and entities while other extremist groups using violence are being ignored. After all, if rogue elements in the Indian army have been in cahoots with Hindu extremists of the VHP and RSS to carry out terror attacks against Pakistanis – such as the Samjhauta Express attack, why are these names not being considered by the UN Security Council? Why is our leadership silent on this count? By ignorance, confusion or sinister design? After all, the VHP and RSS can be linked to the BJP and to the Indian army so they would all come under the purview of the UN Security Council surely? Why is Pakistan inactive on this count?
I leave it to fellow concerned Pakistanis to connect the dots for themselves (it’s all in the linkages which reveal the bigger picture) to see where we are being led since 9/11, either by a fatal ignorance, confusion or sinister design.
17-Dec-2008, 18th Dhul Hijjah, 1429
By Shireen M Mazari
The post-Mumbai signals coming from the leadership in Islamabad has proven one thing: ignorance is a costly burden the nation of Pakistan has to bear. But increasingly the question that keeps coming to the fore is whether our leaders are truly mired in their own ignorance, or in a state of genuine confusion, or is there a more sinister agenda being played out. After all, even the most ill-informed leader has at his disposal expertise and some institutional history from the national civil and military bureaucracy – even if one were to forget the growing relevancy of specialised professionalism. So is something seriously wrong with the Pakistani leadership today or is there a covert agenda that is being played out? Let us look to the facts that have hit us since Mumbai.
The most recent incident was the incursion of Indian fighter planes into Pakistani airspace at two sensitive spots – Lahore and AJK. Given that the Indians had been ranting and raving about carrying out surgical strikes against targets in Muridke and AJK, these intrusions were significant. Yet, in the mildest of language the Pakistan Air Force, which mercifully proved quick to scramble in response, referred to these violations of Pakistani airspace as “technical violations” – that is they did not penetrate deep into our air space. But there was never any doubt that the intrusions were probes into our scramble time. But what did our political leadership do? They immediately went to bat for the Indians by referring to the intrusions as “technical faults” – similar I suppose to PIA’s many delays! In fact the president even used hand actions, perhaps to show his aerial knowledge to the British prime minister standing next to him, to explain how the “technical fault” had occurred! Now, the disturbing question is: were the president, prime minister and information minister really unable to distinguish the meaning of “technical fault” and “technical violation”. It is distressing because apparently the military had briefed these leaders on the meaning of the latter! It is only on seeing the helpful role being played by the Pakistani leaders that the Indians went along and said no intrusion had really taken place except inadvertently. Inadvertently and simultaneously, in two different locations? I ask you how gullible the Indians think we are – or perhaps they are judging us by our present leaders!
War in not a feasible option for India or Pakistan but surgical strikes are definitely being contemplated by the Indians. After all, they are seeing our governments’ (previous and present) acquiescence to constant drone attacks targeting our nationals including women and children so they feel they may “get away” with a few surgical strikes especially with US and UK backing. But the key to their success would lie in their ability to get their planes back safely. Hence the need to test our scramble time. It is in this context also that the controversial call to the president makes sense – again a test of our ability to move to alert status. On Monday, December 15, there was some news flowing in that at 11:30 am Indian intrusions had again taken place along Narowal, near Kalakhatai and Narang Mandi but that the GoP had blacked out this news from the media. However, this information could not be officially verified. What was known was that now NATO planes had joined US drones in violating our airspace in Balochistan near Chaman. So what is happening? Is our military losing its ability for rapid response to military threats against the country? Or is there something more sinister going on at the covert level?
After all, it is now becoming evident that the US is targeting our military and its related organisations, especially the ISI. Ever since the ISI fell out with the CIA about a year ago, it has become a target of US intrusiveness. Apart from the rantings of the US administration, equally ignorant but failed American politicians are also now telling us to “bring the ISI under Islamabad’s control” - presumably meaning “civilian control”. Perhaps these ignoramuses need to be informed that the ISI is already under prime ministerial control. Instead, our political leadership continues to allow such poisonous foreigners to hold forth on issues they are barely informed about. And we know how the US acts on ignorance – Iraq is the present reminder but US history is replete with such horror stories of imperial arrogance. While on the subject, perhaps our president could have reminded Britain’s Gordon Brown that it is his country that has been refusing to sign an extradition treaty with Pakistan – so why should we now make unilateral concessions once again?
And what of the now-forgotten blunder of the prime minister declaring to send the ISI DG to India without realising the consequences. Was this mere ignorance, confusion – given how the presidency then distanced itself from this decision and eventually the GoP declared that that was never the intent – or again a failed move in a more sinister agenda?
Which brings one to yet another absurdity – that of the UN Security Council Al Qaeda and Taliban sanctions Committee (originally set up under UNSC resolution 1267 of 1999 where first it was just targeting Taliban and then Al Qaeda was added on) adding the Jamaat-ut-Daawa and four Pakistanis to its terror list as defined by the requirements of the 1267 committee. These names had been there for some time but on earlier occasions the committee, comprising 15 members of the UN Security Council, had failed to put them on the proscribed list. This was a result of our professional diplomacy and support from allies like China. From information acquired from highly reliable sources, it appears that the Chinese once again approached us but we chose to allow the committee to put these names on the proscribed list. One absurd explanation is that our government felt this would ease pressure on Pakistan – pressure on what? Another case of a costly ignorance, confusion, or something more sinister? After all, with the ISI and the Pakistani military being targeted, all these moves spurred by the US in the UN Security Council when linked together move us further down an abyss where the eventual target will be our nuclear assets. Or is the larger picture not visible to the present leadership – both civilian and military?
Ironically, the ignorance of the US and its allies is such that they let the UN Security Council ban a dead man – Mohammad Ashraf. He apparently was the finance secretary of the Daawa but died six years ago in Hyderabad, according to a Pakistani news report. The UN really should have better information before it acts. But what is even more bizarre is the declaration by our political leaders, including the foreign minister that Daawa is not a terrorist organisation – then why was there no proactive diplomacy in the corridors of the UN? (The committee’s meetings are closed-door meetings but the agendas are published beforehand within the UN and interested states can get more details from their allies in the UN Security Council.) Of course, eventually some of the information will be given to the GoP regarding intelligence received from certain countries which led to the move in the first place. But the damage has been done.
Even more disturbing is the fact that the UN Security Council’s anti-terror committees are seemingly targeting only Muslim groups and entities while other extremist groups using violence are being ignored. After all, if rogue elements in the Indian army have been in cahoots with Hindu extremists of the VHP and RSS to carry out terror attacks against Pakistanis – such as the Samjhauta Express attack, why are these names not being considered by the UN Security Council? Why is our leadership silent on this count? By ignorance, confusion or sinister design? After all, the VHP and RSS can be linked to the BJP and to the Indian army so they would all come under the purview of the UN Security Council surely? Why is Pakistan inactive on this count?
I leave it to fellow concerned Pakistanis to connect the dots for themselves (it’s all in the linkages which reveal the bigger picture) to see where we are being led since 9/11, either by a fatal ignorance, confusion or sinister design.
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School accused of Mumbai terror role opens its doors
• Campus said to be base for banned extremist group
• Media visitors shown classrooms and hospital
At first sight, they could be the grounds of an English public school, with neatly trimmed lawns and earnest young pupils walking between classes. But this is the site that India believes is the headquarters of the terrorist group responsible for last week's Mumbai attacks.
Boarding houses provide spartan accommodation, and orderly rows of trees line the sprawling site, just outside the eastern city of Lahore. Smartly turned-out pupils perform science experiments in the classrooms, peering into microscopes and connecting electric circuits. There is a farm, a swimming pool and a hospital.
India, and some western terrorism experts, believe this is the headquarters of Lashkar-e-Taiba, a banned Islamist group suspected of carrying out last week's Mumbai attacks. But according to the organisers of a tour of the site yesterday, it is simply the educational and charitable arm of Jamaat-ud-Dawa, an Islamic group that is legal in Pakistan but declared a terrorist organisation by the US.
Following Pakistan's ban on Lashkar-e-Taiba in 2002, it is widely believed to have morphed into Jamaat-ud-Dawa, though the two claim to have no link.
The campus, set in countryside at Muridke, an hour's drive from Lahore, is the place that India would be likely to target if it took retaliatory military action over the Mumbai attacks.
"This is a residential and educational complex," said Abdullah Muntazir, Jamaat-ud-Dawa's spokesman, taking journalists around the Muridke site yesterday in a media charm offensive launched by the group. "You can see for yourself. This is all Indian propaganda."
"Jamaat-ud-Dawa speaks up very loudly against Indian conspiracies; we let the public know that India is the real enemy. That's why they always point at us."
The carefully orchestrated visit took foreign and local journalists around the beautifully equipped school and hospital. The school follows the national curriculum, the headteacher, Rashid Mehnaz, said, taking pupils from around the country. The poor were given financial help, with richer pupils paying fees. Mehnaz condemned violence, saying suicide attacks were "absolutely wrong - it is forbidden in Islam".
A press conference and sumptuous lunch was laid on for journalists. However, the madrasa, mosque, and other facilities remained out of bounds, and once the official tour was over the media were no longer welcome. Although the group had said anyone was welcome to look around the site at any time, the Guardian's attempt to take up this offer after the tour was met with a heavy-handed response: burly young men arrived on motorcycles and circled, demanding that we leave.
Given the attention that has suddenly been focused on Lashkar-e-Taiba, and on to the complex at Muridke, the invitation to visit may have been arranged after a prod from the Pakistani authorities.
Certainly there were plain-clothed officials present, who said they were members of "special branch" - often a euphemism for the Pakistan's ISI intelligence agency. They wanted to provide an armed escort back to Lahore, but why intelligence agents were there - and why an escort might be necessary - was unclear. Muridke is not in a dangerous part of Pakistan, and the offer was declined.
It has long been said that the ISI has secretly backed Lashkar-e-Taiba, though the agency always rejects the accusation.
"The Indian media is creating a hype, but I don't think they'll bomb us," said Muntazir. "If they did, it would be up to the government of Pakistan and the armed forces to deal with it."
He said Jamaat-ud-Dawa was a peaceful group, but it had "supported" Lashkar-e-Taiba until that organisation was banned. He said that "morally", they still backed those who were fighting Indian rule in Kashmir. Lashkar-e-Taiba is the leading such group. "The [Kashmiri] freedom fighters are doing their job very well. Their cause is just," said Muntazir. "But I can't speak on behalf of Lashkar-e-Taiba."
• Campus said to be base for banned extremist group
• Media visitors shown classrooms and hospital
At first sight, they could be the grounds of an English public school, with neatly trimmed lawns and earnest young pupils walking between classes. But this is the site that India believes is the headquarters of the terrorist group responsible for last week's Mumbai attacks.
Boarding houses provide spartan accommodation, and orderly rows of trees line the sprawling site, just outside the eastern city of Lahore. Smartly turned-out pupils perform science experiments in the classrooms, peering into microscopes and connecting electric circuits. There is a farm, a swimming pool and a hospital.
India, and some western terrorism experts, believe this is the headquarters of Lashkar-e-Taiba, a banned Islamist group suspected of carrying out last week's Mumbai attacks. But according to the organisers of a tour of the site yesterday, it is simply the educational and charitable arm of Jamaat-ud-Dawa, an Islamic group that is legal in Pakistan but declared a terrorist organisation by the US.
Following Pakistan's ban on Lashkar-e-Taiba in 2002, it is widely believed to have morphed into Jamaat-ud-Dawa, though the two claim to have no link.
The campus, set in countryside at Muridke, an hour's drive from Lahore, is the place that India would be likely to target if it took retaliatory military action over the Mumbai attacks.
"This is a residential and educational complex," said Abdullah Muntazir, Jamaat-ud-Dawa's spokesman, taking journalists around the Muridke site yesterday in a media charm offensive launched by the group. "You can see for yourself. This is all Indian propaganda."
"Jamaat-ud-Dawa speaks up very loudly against Indian conspiracies; we let the public know that India is the real enemy. That's why they always point at us."
The carefully orchestrated visit took foreign and local journalists around the beautifully equipped school and hospital. The school follows the national curriculum, the headteacher, Rashid Mehnaz, said, taking pupils from around the country. The poor were given financial help, with richer pupils paying fees. Mehnaz condemned violence, saying suicide attacks were "absolutely wrong - it is forbidden in Islam".
A press conference and sumptuous lunch was laid on for journalists. However, the madrasa, mosque, and other facilities remained out of bounds, and once the official tour was over the media were no longer welcome. Although the group had said anyone was welcome to look around the site at any time, the Guardian's attempt to take up this offer after the tour was met with a heavy-handed response: burly young men arrived on motorcycles and circled, demanding that we leave.
Given the attention that has suddenly been focused on Lashkar-e-Taiba, and on to the complex at Muridke, the invitation to visit may have been arranged after a prod from the Pakistani authorities.
Certainly there were plain-clothed officials present, who said they were members of "special branch" - often a euphemism for the Pakistan's ISI intelligence agency. They wanted to provide an armed escort back to Lahore, but why intelligence agents were there - and why an escort might be necessary - was unclear. Muridke is not in a dangerous part of Pakistan, and the offer was declined.
It has long been said that the ISI has secretly backed Lashkar-e-Taiba, though the agency always rejects the accusation.
"The Indian media is creating a hype, but I don't think they'll bomb us," said Muntazir. "If they did, it would be up to the government of Pakistan and the armed forces to deal with it."
He said Jamaat-ud-Dawa was a peaceful group, but it had "supported" Lashkar-e-Taiba until that organisation was banned. He said that "morally", they still backed those who were fighting Indian rule in Kashmir. Lashkar-e-Taiba is the leading such group. "The [Kashmiri] freedom fighters are doing their job very well. Their cause is just," said Muntazir. "But I can't speak on behalf of Lashkar-e-Taiba."
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sunni shia is a different dispute. objection to ahmediyas is on the baic principles of islam. if u dont draw a line when it comes to basic principles then 100 yrs from now their will be so many disputes on ur basic principles that no one will even know what muslims believe.
well i guess we are stealin this thread so
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Thats what Jinnah wanted not allah? Then kindly dont use the word "insallah" as it does not fits in your picture of keeping religion separate from the state.
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Was that even what he said? Read the post properly
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1% of population can be said minority only in terms of numbers. They can hardly have any impact or influence on national politics or can do little to get the attention of rest of the 99% population.
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Hafiz Muhammad Saeed should have been nominated as the Minister for Minorities and Disaster Relief!!
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