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Not unlikely for us. Because most of us here are keyboard warriors... :enjoy:

Actually, it is the keyboard warriors here who are all gung-ho in advocating such adventurism. Only a few sane ones advise due caution. After all, only fools rush in where the wise fear to tread. :D
 
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Actually, it is the keyboard warriors here who are all gung-ho in advocating such adventurism. Only a few sane ones advise due caution. After all, only fools rush in where the wise fear to tread. :D

limited clean up operations wouldnt be "political suicide" within Pakistan, a lot of people especially residents of Peshawar Mardan DI Khan Kohat and other settled/semi settled areas would take no issue with such an op but however as far as how history books would judge - Pakistan wont want to be seen as an aggressor in A-stan so yes there should be diligance but Pakistan cant be seen as soft

this is a war against proxy groups/terrorists not a war against Afghans....the yanks/NATO tried painting things that way however the war didnt pan out too well for them as we predicted over a decade ago

Truly wise people are not to be found on online Forums.

because geo-politics is not something that can be quoted or replied to in 500 or less words and smileys

this is a complex matter
 
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limited clean up operations wouldnt be "political suicide" within Pakistan, a lot of people especially residents of Peshawar Mardan DI Khan Kohat and other settled/semi settled areas would take no issue with such an op but however as far as how history books would judge - Pakistan wont want to be seen as an aggressor in A-stan so yes there should be diligance but Pakistan cant be seen as soft

this is a war against proxy groups/terrorists not a war against Afghans....the yanks/NATO tried painting things that way however the war didnt pan out too well for them as we predicted over a decade ago



because geo-politics is not something that can be quoted or replied to in 500 or less words and smileys

this is a complex matter

The complexity will only increase after ISAF leaves and both India and Iran will try to move into the vacuum, with Pakistan already there. It ain't gonna be pretty, that's fer sure.
 
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The complexity will only increase after ISAF leaves and both India and Iran will try to move into the vacuum, with Pakistan already there. It ain't gonna be pretty, that's fer sure.

yes the real games will begin thereafter
 
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limited clean up operations wouldnt be "political suicide" within Pakistan, a lot of people especially residents of Peshawar Mardan DI Khan Kohat and other settled/semi settled areas would take no issue with such an op but however as far as how history books would judge - Pakistan wont want to be seen as an aggressor in A-stan so yes there should be diligance but Pakistan cant be seen as soft

this is a war against proxy groups/terrorists not a war against Afghans....the yanks/NATO tried painting things that way however the war didnt pan out too well for them as we predicted over a decade ago



because geo-politics is not something that can be quoted or replied to in 500 or less words and smileys

this is a complex matter

Your are right sir. I do believe we have a window available to execute an operation to get rid of Fazlullah. As long as Americans are there, I believe we can get away with it. As I mentioned earlier, Afghanistan has often hosted separatists and miscreants that caused trouble in Pakistan. We only started doing the same in mid 70s. It must not be assumed that we would never do anything about it.

The central issue really is the relative strengths of the two countries. If Afghanistan could afford going to war with Pakistan over territory, they would do so without qualms. They had an understanding with India in the post-1971 period for just that.

In any case, the only way to get something done is to raise the level of rhetoric to pressurize the Afghan government. If that does not work, then we should plan and execute an operation. Right now Afghanistan would not be in a position to do something. They can keep a grudge alright. But who says they have not done so already since 1947?

About wise people: They are busy with their Love.
 
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yes the real games will begin thereafter

Of the three countries in the fray, Pakistan is certainly best positioned along the border, but it is anybody's guess further away. Certainly it represents an opportunity for India to settle some scores from Kashmir into this backyard.
 
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Your are right sir. I do believe we have a window available to execute an operation to get rid of Fazlullah. As long as Americans are there, I believe we can get away with it. As I mentioned earlier, Afghanistan has often hosted separatists and miscreants that caused trouble in Pakistan. We only started doing the same in mid 70s. It must not be assumed that we would never do anything about it.


in 70s (and even earlier) seperatist/irritant elements in Afghan soil came to us...and we sent them back defeated and in body bags as a response....now we SHOULD take the fight to those elements --and those who support them, whether its terrorist training centers, "consulates/safe-house" and the like :)


The central issue really is the relative strengths of the two countries. If Afghanistan could afford going to war with Pakistan over territory, they would do so without qualms. They had an understanding with India in the post-1971 period for just that.

had Afghanistan not done the bidding of india and other enemies - we wouldnt need to take defensive actions in the first place

Afghans have been at war with themselves too - which we mustnt forget...its a fractured country


In any case, the only way to get something done is to raise the level of rhetoric to pressurize the Afghan government. If that does not work, then we should plan and execute an operation. Right now Afghanistan would not be in a position to do something. They can keep a grudge alright. But who says they have not done so already since 1947?

my point as well......and domestically, you can easily "sell" this idea to the masses - all you have to do is remind them that india has a hand in the destabilization and that will get even the most divided people to become united :laugh:

so far the PPP and currrent PML-N have tried using diplomacy with the karzai administration...clinging onto false hopes and dreams. Karzai never had control outside of Kabul - and his career has expired. He's finished, and ready for his dismissal whether he likes it or not. He's going bye-bye

Of the three countries in the fray, Pakistan is certainly best positioned along the border, but it is anybody's guess further away. Certainly it represents an opportunity for India to settle some scores from Kashmir into this backyard.

Pakistan has a rich cross-over of ethnic/tribal ties with Afghanistan not to mention given our vast experience there we know the inner workings and who to talk to, when to talk to them etc.

india geographically is irrelevant.....their only connection to the region is via Chah Bahar in Iran - and everyone knows that india wont risk alienating itself from amreeka and israel in order to deal with Iranians (or risk sanctions). So Chah Bahar is a non-starter and the Central Asians are land-locked.

india still has its puppets on the ground in Afghanistan but we will likely have developed counters to those....we have old contacts such as the older generation mujahideen the same way indian have contacts with their increasingly irrelevant northern alliance

as for Iran - despite their sneakiness, we have an interest not to get involved in a tug-of-war with them. Like Pakistan, their influence in Afghanistan is simply undeniable, namely in the western sector....as we are Islamic Republics we should set good examples by working together.

Abdullah Abdullah has a more conciliatory tone to him - he's not a puppet of india per se and he seems he would be friendly to both Pak, Iran and other relevant stake-holders. He'd also not flip-flop with the Americans (especially on the security pact which Karzai has been too scared to sign)
 
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Pakistan has a rich cross-over of ethnic/tribal ties with Afghanistan not to mention given our vast experience there we know the inner workings and who to talk to, when to talk to them etc.
india geographically is irrelevant.....their only connection to the region is via Chah Bahar in Iran - and everyone knows that india wont risk alienating itself from amreeka and israel in order to deal with Iranians (or risk sanctions). So Chah Bahar is a non-starter and the Central Asians are land-locked.
india still has its puppets on the ground in Afghanistan but we will likely have developed counters to those....we have old contacts such as the older generation mujahideen the same way indian have contacts with their increasingly irrelevant northern alliance
as for Iran - despite their sneakiness, we have an interest not to get involved in a tug-of-war with them. Like Pakistan, their influence in Afghanistan is simply undeniable, namely in the western sector....as we are Islamic Republics we should set good examples by working together.
Abdullah Abdullah has a more conciliatory tone to him - he's not a puppet of india per se and he seems he would be friendly to both Pak, Iran and other relevant stake-holders. He'd also not flip-flop with the Americans (especially on the security pact which Karzai has been too scared to sign)

It will be interesting to see what happens after the ISAF departure, as all parties jockey for the best position.
 
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It will be interesting to see what happens after the ISAF departure, as all parties jockey for the best position.

well its a nice troll, The topic under discussion is not what happen when USA leave ...
Also if USA can handle why they are not doing anything to eliminate TTP on Afghan Side???? from alst more than 7-8 years ???

Looks like USA is equally involved in the setup with Afghan and TTP
 
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I would still bet that such a direct raid would be very unlikely.

What is so unlikely about it? US does that all the time, so does Israel, even India, why cant Pakistan? Care to elaborate?

If Pakistan can send its special forces to help Saudi-e-Arabia when Iranians took over, Storm Kabul embassy when they took school bus full of kids and made them hostages than why cant now?

Funny thing is Americans never shy away from defending Israel's right to self defend, yet comes up with silly logics and justifications when it comes to other countries.
 
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What is so unlikely about it? US does that all the time, so does Israel, even India, why cant Pakistan? Care to elaborate?

If Pakistan can send its special forces to help Saudi-e-Arabia when Iranians took over, Storm Kabul embassy when they took school bus full of kids and made them hostages than why cant now?

Funny thing is Americans never shy away from defending Israel's right to self defend, yet comes up with silly logics and justifications when it comes to other countries.

The distinct gap in the abilities claimed and the abilities actually possessed in the case of Pakistan, plus the inability to weather the repercussions, are the reasons for why I consider such a raid to be unlikely.

well its a nice troll, The topic under discussion is not what happen when USA leave ...
Also if USA can handle why they are not doing anything to eliminate TTP on Afghan Side???? from alst more than 7-8 years ???

Looks like USA is equally involved in the setup with Afghan and TTP

Like I said, it will be interesting to see what happens next.
 
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Disagree. Afghanistan has long hosted anti-Pakistan elements as a matter of policy - from Pakhtoonistan to Baluch malcontents.

We must find Mulla Fazlullah and his accomplices and neutralize them. Precedents exist and we should have no qualms in doing so.

All we should do is to ensure no Afghans are killed.

That's all fine and I know that, the question is the implications of crossing the international border are great and something Pakistan is not prepared for.

A special forces raid or assassination attempt is a different thing though.....
 
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The distinct gap in the abilities claimed and the abilities actually possessed in the case of Pakistan, plus the inability to weather the repercussions, are the reasons for why I consider such a raid to be unlikely.

Are you suggesting that Pakistan does not have the capability to tackle a country like Afghanistan? I specifically quoted two examples to show that the capability does exist, it is the political leadership which lacks the will to do so.
 
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