All german soccer cite safety concerns regarding Turkey

[brokk]

Evry single EU nation is christian.

We have christian culture, christian values and our history is buld on christianity.

We share nothing with turkey. We dont share culture. And the only history we share is war and being enemies.

The Eu is made to be for a greater good. Do you honestly believe any representative in the EU would vote on something in the EU institutions that would be good for non muslims?

The EU is build on compromises. The Turks would use their new power they gain in the EU to pull through their agenda.

They would never sacrifice anything for the good of Greece, Italy, Spain or Portugal for example.


Easy example...the earthquakes we had this year in Italy. Turkey send no help. Turkey did not even adress sorrow. When Turkey was hit by Earthquakes Italy did send rescue teams.

It wouldn´t work out in our interest. The solidarity would be a one way street. They would steal as much money they get, create as much damage as possible.

And thats not just my personal opinion. In Italy is an absolute oppossition to Turkey. In Germany as well. Austria will never allow it and France said they would do a referendum.

Its not just the leaders of Europe who dont want the Turks in the EU.

Its the people.

What i disagree with is that this diplomatic illussion was kept up for so long. Evryone knows they will never be allowed to join in any way. They are not even getting Visa-free travel.




And risk to die in one of the daily terror attacks there? Or get victim to "Sultana Erdogans" demented wrath?

News for you, european clubs dont go North Korea as well.

Yawn, really... and how are you different from the 'nuts' in Hitlers Germany? You might want to study a little history, google is a nice place to start, write Islam in Europe, or Ottoman Europe and you'll learn volumes. As for football, who cares.

 

[MarkusS]

Yawn, really... and how are you different from the 'nuts' in Hitlers Germany? You might want to study a little history, google is a nice place to start, write Islam in Europe, or Ottoman Europe and you'll learn volumes. As for football, who cares.

Oh really? Ottoman in Europe?

What kind of peaceful relations did Italian Republics have with the ottoman empire. We were at constant war with the turks for millenia.

I´m happy to learn. So name me a single alliance we had in the last 1000 years. Just one.

If you cant do that, name me just one positive thing the turks did for Italy in the last 1000 years.

 

[brokk]

Oh really? Ottoman in Europe?

What kind of peaceful relations did Italian Republics have with the ottoman empire. We were at constant war with the turks for millenia.

I´m happy to learn. So name me a single alliance we had in the last 1000 years. Just one.

If you cant do that, name me just one positive thing the turks did for Italy in the last 1000 years.

Really don't want a pissing match, I do that enough on "the Guardian" newspaper. If you want questionable fun with Italy you can take a look at "Etruscan origins :
....
Another study by geneticist Alberto Piazza of the University of Turin linked the Etruscans to Turkey. The team compared Y-DNA sequences with those from men in modern Turkey, northern Italy, the Greek island of Lemnos, the Italian islands of Sicily and Sardinia and the southern Balkans. They found that the genetic sequences of the Tuscan men varied significantly from those of men in surrounding regions in Italy, and that the men from Murlo and Volterra were the most closely related to men from Turkey. In Murlo in particular, one genetic variant is shared only by people from Turkey
.... "

Besides other Turkics have been in Europe for a very long time, long before Ottoman Turks, Bulgar turkics formed 'Bulgaria' , Huns spoke Turkic and had Turkic elements in them.... even today you can see this; "sárga alma" means yellow apple in Hungarian, which is close to "Sarı alma" in Kazakh/Kyrgyz/Tatar/Azeri/Turkish(a changes to e in apple) / Bashkir (s changes to h in yellow) , or "sariq olma" Uzbek.. not to mention the obvious Turkics, like Khazars (who were Turkics that took Judaism), Cumans, Pechenegs, Kipchaks, Gagauz (Turkics that took Orthodox Christainity) ....... there are a lot more to this mini list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipchaks
Few more ottoman influences : Fashion, food, music, drinks.... funny ones : coffee houses & coffee, a lot of words and perhaps things like yogurt ....

 

[MarkusS]

Really don't want a pissing match, I do that enough on "the Guardian" newspaper. If you want questionable fun with Italy you can take a look at "Etruscan origins :
....
Another study by geneticist Alberto Piazza of the University of Turin linked the Etruscans to Turkey. The team compared Y-DNA sequences with those from men in modern Turkey, northern Italy, the Greek island of Lemnos, the Italian islands of Sicily and Sardinia and the southern Balkans. They found that the genetic sequences of the Tuscan men varied significantly from those of men in surrounding regions in Italy, and that the men from Murlo and Volterra were the most closely related to men from Turkey. In Murlo in particular, one genetic variant is shared only by people from Turkey
.... "

Besides other Turkics have been in Europe for a very long time, long before Ottoman Turks, Bulgar turkics formed 'Bulgaria' , Huns spoke Turkic and had Turkic elements in them.... even today you can see this; "sárga alma" means yellow apple in Hungarian, which is close to "Sarı alma" in Kazakh/Kyrgyz/Tatar/Azeri/Turkish(a changes to e in apple) / Bashkir (s changes to h in yellow) , or "sariq olma" Uzbek.. not to mention the obvious Turkics, like Khazars (who were Turkics that took Judaism), Cumans, Pechenegs, Kipchaks, Gagauz (Turkics that took Orthodox Christainity) ....... there are a lot more to this mini list.
Few more ottoman influences : Fashion, food, music, drinks.... funny ones : coffee houses & coffee, a lot of words and perhaps things like yogurt ....

There were no turks in anatolia when Etruscans forged the fundaments of our nation.

We were one. The people in turkey today got occupied by muslims and thats the part i´m talking about.

Show ma single positive event we Italians ahd with the ottoman empire. Just a single one. And i change my opinion.

Show me an event were ottomans helped the Italian Republics. Show me a single event where one of them sacrificed something for Italia.

 

[brokk]

I guess some have difficulty reading.. added to ignore list.

 

[MarkusS]

I guess some have difficulty reading.. added to ignore list.

Do you claim the ancient people of anatolia have an "Ottoman identity"?

Anatolia is where our ancestors came from. It was part of IMperium Romanum. It was us. Long before the islamic conquest made it what it is now and alienated it from us.

Are you a clown?

You are incapable to say a single positive event. Thats what i mean. Thanks for proving my point.
There was not one day in the existance of the ottoman empire it was not at war with the Italian Republics.

Turkey will never be part of EU. Nor will it ever get free Visa. The people of Europe dont trust Turkey. Dont want Turks here and also its totally incompatible with us in any form.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Do you claim the ancient people of anatolia have an "Ottoman identity"?

Anatolia is where our ancestors came from. It was part of IMperium Romanum. It was us. Long before the islamic conquest made it what it is now and alienated it from us.

Are you a clown?

You are incapable to say a single positive event. Thats what i mean. Thanks for proving my point.
There was not one day in the existance of the ottoman empire it was not at war with the Italian Republics.

Turkey will never be part of EU. Nor will it ever get free Visa. The people of Europe dont trust Turkey. Dont want Turks here and also its totally incompatible with us in any form.

Maybe the Turks don't give a shit about your EU? You are nothing special other than a euro gypsy. There is no reason for you to be so condescending, when perhaps Turkish people give 0 fucks about your Italy, Romans, and broken coliseum. From the way your economy looks, perhaps in ten years your Italian people will be going to work for these Turks shaking their ***. Your arrogance is unforgivable.

 

[MarkusS]

Maybe the Turks don't give a shit about your EU? You are nothing special other than a euro gypsy. There is no reason for you to be so condescending, when perhaps Turkish people give 0 fucks about your Italy, Romans, and broken coliseum. From the way your economy looks, perhaps in ten years your Italian people will be going to work for these Turks shaking their ***. Your arrogance is unforgivable.

The Turks main trading partner is Europe. without Europe they collapse like Syria. They beg for visa free travel.

Its them who try to get membership since 58 years. All would be better off if they just drop this. I mean ...it has become awkward. Its like this stupid kid nobody wants to invite but it asks again and again and you must invet stupid excused to hold it out.

Our economy? We are G7. Ours grows (sowly but it grows) and is almost 4 times more powerful than Turkey.

Theirs shrinks. In 10 years? They may have split into several countries. Who knows?

 

[lastofthepatriots]

The Turks main trading partner is Europe. without Europe they collapse like Syria. They beg for visa free travel.

Its them who try to get membership since 58 years. All would be better off if they just drop this. I mean ...it has become awkward. Its like this stupid kid nobody wants to invite but it asks again and again and you must invet stupid excused to hold it out.

Our economy? We are G7. Ours grows (sowly but it grows) and is almost 4 times more powerful than Turkey.

Theirs shrinks. In 10 years? They may have split into several countries. Who knows?

Bwhahahaha. Well I'm glad you said it. Maybe some of the atheist Turks will finally realize that Euros don't want them.

 

[MarkusS]

Bwhahahaha. Well I'm glad you said it. Maybe some of the atheist Turks will finally realize that Euros don't want them.

I hope so too. I think currently the EU wants that Erdogan drops it himself. That way they get out of this without any further anger.

 

[vostok]

There was not one day in the existance of the ottoman empire it was not at war with the Italian Republics.

In all fairness, we should note that Italy was an ally of the Ottoman Empire in the Crimean War against Russia in 1853-1856.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_War
Sardinia was not a republic, but it was Italy.

 

[TMA]

Do you claim the ancient people of anatolia have an "Ottoman identity"?

Anatolia is where our ancestors came from. It was part of IMperium Romanum. It was us. Long before the islamic conquest made it what it is now and alienated it from us.

Are you a clown?

You are incapable to say a single positive event. Thats what i mean. Thanks for proving my point.
There was not one day in the existance of the ottoman empire it was not at war with the Italian Republics.

Turkey will never be part of EU. Nor will it ever get free Visa. The people of Europe dont trust Turkey. Dont want Turks here and also its totally incompatible with us in any form.

Did all your ancestors come from Anatolia? Imperium Romanum was a multi racial Imperium, as is the nature of Imperium. Just like the Imperium Britannia was composed of multiple racial and cultural groups.

I am sure there are Turks in Anatolia who have "Roman" or Greek blood in them, indeed some of them may have significants amounts of it judging by their phenotypes.

In all fairness, we should note that Italy was an ally of the Ottoman Empire in the Crimean War against Russia in 1853-1856.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_War
Sardinia was not a republic, but it was Italy.

Despite intense rivalry, both the Modern West and Ottoman Empire despised Russia. Even "Christian" Britain teamed up with Ottoman Empire to fight Orthodox Russia.

 

[MarkusS]

Did all your ancestors come from Anatolia? Imperium Romanum was a multi racial Imperium, as is the nature of Imperium. Just like the Imperium Britannia was composed of multiple racial and cultural groups.

I am sure there are Turks in Anatolia who have "Roman" or Greek blood in them, indeed some of them may have significants amounts of it judging by their phenotypes.


Despite intense rivalry, both the Modern West and Ottoman Empire despised Russia. Even "Christain" Britain teamed up with Ottoman Empire to fight Orthodox Russia.

Romans are mostly a mix from Etruscans and people from Troy.

 

[TMA]

Romans are mostly a mix from Etruscans and people from Troy.

But when Rome expanded and conquered other territories full of other people...
Like the Britons are a mix of mostly Angles, Saxons and Celts but the Empire composed half the bloody world and as such you see a great mix in Britain and 1000 years from now there will be "Britons" who look nothing like the ancient Briton but will claim ancestory from them...

PS what about the She wolf...?

 

[Bouhmeed]

Do you claim the ancient people of anatolia have an "Ottoman identity"?

Anatolia is where our ancestors came from. It was part of IMperium Romanum. It was us. Long before the islamic conquest made it what it is now and alienated it from us.

Are you a clown?

You are incapable to say a single positive event. Thats what i mean. Thanks for proving my point.
There was not one day in the existance of the ottoman empire it was not at war with the Italian Republics.

Turkey will never be part of EU. Nor will it ever get free Visa. The people of Europe dont trust Turkey. Dont want Turks here and also its totally incompatible with us in any form.

You were ruled by Constantine who gave the upper hand to innovations but then died as an arian so turkey belong to europe and deserve to rule europe again like their ancestors did