Alexander the Great/ Mauryans/ Graeco-Bactrians

[Indus Pakistan]

Are you Indian or from what is today India?

Yes.

@M.Sarmad I will assume you are Indian given that you avoided answering my question. Your agenda seems to be driven by refusal to accept 1947. This is my last reply to you. Good evening.

 

[T-123456]

German and English

 

[LeGenD]

Mauryans were real deal, i am personally a fanboy of Chandragupta the great and Chanakya who were badass in their timeline, not only they took ragtag nomads and tribals of North and West India and built an Army of their own but also defeated India's largest Empire at that time but also forged a new dynasty that united all of Bharatvarsh under their rule.

later when one of the best general of Alexander who ruled Persia, Turkey, Levent, Central Asia and Afghanistan attacked their Empire to fulfill the goal of India under greek rule, not only they kicked Selucid back to Iran but also took Afghanistan and astern Iran as a price and his own daughter Helena as a trophy wife to add insult to injury.

this same helena gave birth to the 2nd Mauryan Emperor "Bindusara" who conquered Rajasthan, Gujarat and Most of Deccan for Mauryan Empire.

they were mightiest Emperors of India,from original Kshatriya Bloodline.

Mauryan empire under Chandragupta,

Empire under his son Bindusara

the emblem of Mauryan Empire (lion) and Dynasty(Moreya/peacock)

@padamchen @Nilgiri @ranjeet

Alexander's exploits in Pakistan paved way for the Mauryans to make inroads into this region; not a big deal to be honest; Alexander had softened Pakistani kingdoms to large extent earlier with sheer brutality.

After Alexander's death, his commanders were no longer allies of each other, and split Alexander's Empire into different governorates (Partition of Babylon); this split significantly weakened the Empire in question. Seleukos Nikator was on his own when he faced invasion from Chandragupta the great, and lost, but Chandragupta favored peaceful resolution of conflict in the end.

Helena wasn't a trophy wife of Chandragupta - you idiot. These two knew about each other beforehand (reportedly in love) and their marriage was arranged upon Helena's insistence, and this union facilitated peaceful resolution of the conflict between Mauryans and the Greeks. The couple had a happy marriage but Chandragupta died 4 years later and Helena returned to Macedonia afterwards.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Your sarcasm is showing a lack of intellect---.
That was a very 'stupid' comment---. Many a commanders generals have escaped in their defeat and so did Alexander with his army---.

He took to the water ways---because that was the fasest way to get out---.

Unluck for him---a Siraiki---hiding in the reeds---targeted him with his bow and arrow at Tulamba---and let one fly that ended up as a fatal wound for Alexander---.

What a bunch of 'bullcrap' to go back and create a new army---and then do the conquest againn---.

Right there lay the whole of the sub continent for the taking and Alexander let it go---really---.

All excuses---.

Hi,

In many an instance over centuries gone by---armies escaping out of an arena have massacred large number of populations with lesser military strengths---.

 

[LeGenD]

Hi,

In many an instance over centuries gone by---armies escaping out of an arena have massacred large number of populations with lesser military strengths---.

Where is the proof of your outlandish claims, and how come Alexander was able to advance deeper into India after the Battle of Hydaspes? You are a senior member of this forum and should be sensible enough to know when to stop and to admit when you are wrong.

Alexander defeated Porus in the battlefield, but allowed him to rule on his stead as a client king afterwards due to his regional popularity and courage (although at a great cost and loss of his sons). Porus was evidently serving the Greeks afterwards, and his kingdom was officially absorbed into the Alexander's Empire.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Alexander's exploits in Pakistan paved way for the Mauryans to make inroads into this region; not a big deal to be honest; Alexander had softened Pakistani kingdoms to large extent earlier with sheer brutality.

After Alexander's death, his commanders were no longer allies of each other, and split Alexander's Empire into different sectors of control (Partition of Babylon); this split significantly weakened the Empire. Seleukos Nikator was on his own when he faced invasion from Chandragupta the great, and lost, but Chandragupta favored peaceful resolution of conflict in the end.

Helena wasn't a trophy wife of Chandragupta - you idiot. These two knew about each other beforehand (reportedly in love) and their marriage was arranged upon Helena's insistence, and this union facilitated peaceful resolution of the conflict between Mauryans and the Greeks. The couple had a happy marriage but Chandragupta died 4 years later and Helena returned to Macedonia.

Great stuff Legend. Could not agree with you more. You know Arabs invaded Europe. But this is always rendered as Arab invasion of Spain, France. Meaning instead of using blunt terms like "Europe" the more nuanced terms are used that reflect the reality. Had Arab invasion expanded further into France, Germany, Poland etc then it would be correct o call it "Arab invasion of Europe".

But as Arab invasion was restricted to Iberia and south of France this event is not rendered as "Arab invasion of Europe". Similarly only the Indus region [coterminous Pakistan] was invaded and when Porus faced Alexander it was not 'India' that faced Alexander anymore then Porus faced Europe [the invaders were from Europe].

Indeed it was not even Punjab that faced Alexander at Hydaspes. It was just a small kingdom not much larger then Jhelum district. The reason I took exception to the link you provided is the writer painted it as "India" faced Alexander. How could a small kingdom centred on Jhelum district be equated to the entire sub-continent. That is as false as saying Porus at Hydaspes faced Europe.

 

[LeGenD]

Great stuff Legend. Could not agree with you more. You know Arabs invaded Europe. But this is always rendered as Arab invasion of Spain, France. Meaning instead of using blunt terms like "Europe" the more nuanced terms are used that reflect the reality. Had Arab invasion expanded further into France, Germany, Poland etc then it would be correct o call it "Arab invasion of Europe".

But as Arab invasion was restricted to Iberia and south of France this event is not rendered as "Arab invasion of Europe". Similarly only the Indus region [coterminous Pakistan] was invaded and when Porus faced Alexander it was not 'India' that faced Alexander anymore then Porus faced Europe [the invaders were from Europe].

Indeed it was not even Punjab that faced Alexander at Hydaspes. It was just a small kingdom not much larger then Jhelum district. The reason I took exception to the link you provided is the writer painted it as "India" faced Alexander. How could a small kingdom centred on Jhelum district be equated to the entire sub-continent. That is as false as saying Porus at Hydaspes faced Europe.

Thank you.

I do not let the choice of terminologies get in the way of my judgement because this is not wise; your sensitivity in this regard is duly noted but this will hamper your judgement process in the long term. Forces coming from the West recognized inhabitants of now modern era Pakistan as "people of the Indus," and the word India is derived from this perception in ancient and modern writings. Just concentrate on the contents, and not on terminologies. You are free to apply (and utilize) the title Pakistan in your personal writings wherever you deem fit but the course of events should be correctly highlighted.

B/W this is an important discovery: https://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2016/08/pakistan-unearths-city-defeated-by.html (Archaeological evidence of the Siege of Aornos in Swat finally)

Alexander fought many battles in Pakistan, and but his fight with Porus is relatively well-known.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Thank you.

I do not let the choice of terminologies get in the way of my judgement because this is not wise; your sensitivity in this regard is duly noted but this will hamper your judgement process in the long term. Forces coming from the West recognized inhabitants of now modern era Pakistan as "people of the Indus," and the word India is derived from this perception in ancient and modern writings. Just concentrate on the contents, and not on terminologies. You are free to apply (and utilize) the title Pakistan in your personal writings wherever you deem fit but the course of events should be correctly highlighted.

B/W this is an important discovery: https://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2016/08/pakistan-unearths-city-defeated-by.html (Archaeological evidence of the Siege of Aornos in Swat finally)

Alexander fought many battles in Pakistan, and but his fight with Porus is relatively well-known.

We can’t very well use India to represent our past civilizations. The word India today means something vastly different than what it used to in the past.

Quaid e Azam was against the use of India for what is now known as the Republic of India. Maybe we could have pushed the case farther as Greece is doing with the FYRM.

72 years later, we have to own up to our own history and recognize our past. We have to copyright it as Pakistani, as Imran Khan is doing now.

 

[Yankee-stani]

We can’t very well use India to represent our past civilizations. The word India today means something vastly different than what it used to in the past.

Quaid e Azam was against the use of India for what is now known as the Republic of India. Maybe we could have pushed the case farther as Greece is doing with the FYRM.

72 years later, we have to own up to our own history and recognize our past. We have to copyright it as Pakistani, as Imran Khan is doing now.

Come to think about I can understand why the Greeks make a big deal about Macedonia name change really sucks to be Macedonian these days when you have to rename to North Macedonia just cause you want EU gib thats and NATO gib thats lol yeah we need to do that playbook imagine all the Pakistani stores with sighs like "Indus is Pakistan" (@Indus Pakistan ) mean whenever I go to Astoria,Queens where there is a large Greek population their stores and resturants are filled with sighs saying "Macedonia is Greece"

 

[Joe Shearer]

That's news to me. Have they found the Rosetta stone for IVC language?

No, no; good Heavens, did I phrase it so badly? There has been progress in figuring out how it was written; let me find and attach the famous paper by Asko Parpola. Where did I read it again after years? On PDF itself?

I will print URL and inform you. You will find it fascinating, but be warned! The language is lucid and clear, but the concepts are demanding.

 

[Crixus]

You missed one thing Alexander was a given a free pass by King Ambhi of Taxila which belongs to Gandhara Mahanjanpada ......... Porus is a name give by greeks actual name was Purushottam

Hi,

The truth to the fact is that Alexander got his ar-se handed to him by Raja Porus---and escaped with his military---.

Possibly got killed by an arrow close to he city of Multan @ Tulamba and had his death hidden from the troops---till they reached boated down the river Indus to the arabian sea---.

Alexander never showed any kindness to a king that he defeated---his militaries looted and pillaged all their conquests----so givinh Porus his kingdom back is a fantasy story propagated by the greeks---.

Who would want to admit that the Great Alexander got killed at Tulamba after getting a hiding from raja Porus---no greek would admit to that---.

Seems after Tipu Sultan now Chandargupt become Punjabi musalmaan @Joe Shearer @Nilgiri

 

[MastanKhan]

Where is the proof of your outlandish claims, and how come Alexander was able to advance deeper into India after the Battle of Hydaspes? You are a senior member of this forum and should be sensible enough to know when to stop and to admit when you are wrong.

Alexander defeated Porus in the battlefield, but allowed him to rule on his stead as a client king afterwards due to his regional popularity and courage (although at a great cost and loss of his sons). Porus was evidently serving the Greeks afterwards, and his kingdom was officially absorbed into the Alexander's Empire.

Hi,

Alexander was extremely ruthless and brutal to all his conquests that he made---.

In old warfare as in modern warfare---not all the army was concentrated in one place---. Smaller armies were sent out to search and conquer in the name of the King---.

https://historum.com/threads/alexanders-chest-wound.130984/

https://thesecondachilles.com/2013/11/01/alexanders-injuries-part-2/

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

You missed one thing Alexander was a given a free pass by King Ambhi of Taxila which belongs to Gandhara Mahanjanpada ......... Porus is a name give by greeks actual name was Purushottam


Seems after Tipu Sultan now Chandargupt become Punjabi musalmaan @Joe Shearer @Nilgiri

Indians don’t like these threads on Pakistani history, and want to prevent Pakistanis from claiming their own history.

It suits the narrative which India is pushing, I don’t blame them, they have the most to lose from Pakistan brandnaming IVC cities like Harappa, Mohen Jo Daro and Taxila, Gandhara.

However, our government and our society are going to be moving in this direction regardless of the sentiments of our neighbors.

We have too far lived in a strange ahistorical void which has impacted our society very negatively.

It has allowed strange inferiority complexes and lack of identity on our people. It needs to be rectified if we want Pakistan to rise.

 

[Agnihotra]

Alexander's exploits in Pakistan paved way for the Mauryans to make inroads into this region; not a big deal to be honest; Alexander had softened Pakistani kingdoms to large extent earlier with sheer brutality.

After Alexander's death, his commanders were no longer allies of each other, and split Alexander's Empire into different governorates (Partition of Babylon); this split significantly weakened the Empire in question. Seleukos Nikator was on his own when he faced invasion from Chandragupta the great, and lost, but Chandragupta favored peaceful resolution of conflict in the end.

Helena wasn't a trophy wife of Chandragupta - you idiot. These two knew about each other beforehand (reportedly in love) and their marriage was arranged upon Helena's insistence, and this union facilitated peaceful resolution of the conflict between Mauryans and the Greeks. The couple had a happy marriage but Chandragupta died 4 years later and Helena returned to Macedonia afterwards.

Lol as if your ragtag Punjabi "Kingdoms" had any chance to fight against Mauryans, they did what Punjabis are doing since eternity.

Spread their cheeks to their Conquerors like Porus and Ambhi, both Mauryans and Greeks used those as tissue papers and kicked them around when they forgot their Aukaat.

We all know what Ashoka did to people in Punjab when they revolted beforehe became Buddhist.

Helenas marriagewas pre arranged lol.

Instead of trying to re write history like a retarded idiot learn to accept that you were just a doormat of big empires and do tunuk tunuk run dance.

 

[Republic]

You fckng a'hole---what the fck you mean by that--
/QUOTE]

Well, you could have avoided abuse.
It doesn't suit you.
Regards.

Hi,

Many a people don't realize that the greek / macedonian army ran out of the punjab arena as if its tail was on fire---and chose the water route to escape---which was the SAFEST ROUTE and the fastest route for a defeated military---. As if they had suffered a catastrophic loss---and that loss was of the death of Alexander after his defeat at the hands of Porus---.

The thing is---any invading force coming from north and conquering Punjab had only flat lands in front of it to conquer where all the booty---loot and plunder was---.

So---why did this greek / macedonian army literally ran out of the arena---because its leader was dead and they had been defeated at Jhelum---.

It's your logical conclusion or you have some kind of source claiming this defeat ???