Ale-Saud is working: Selling the lands around the Shrine of Makkah to foreigners, roofing Ka'aba

[El Sidd]

which word?

Najdi this
Najdi that

They are Arabs. Call them that

 

[Khafee]

okay guys...tata bye bye..it is late in my place and I have to work in the morning..so you guys continue and tell me who won the Nobel prize among you...

Astan Quds.

 

[The SC]

Yes, we defeated Saudi-creation of ISIS.

Feel the pain?

Why sometimes you say ISIS is a creation of the US and Usrael, and now you say KSA.. make up your mind..

OT:
Can't you see the effect of Muslim population growth vs the capacities to host them (for Haj) in Makkah and Madina!?

 

[niaz]

I have perused all the links given in the post. Only the Persian language Mashriq mentions selling land around Masjid al Haram. All others only mention modernizing Mecca and building a retractable roof over Kaaba. The objection being that many heritage sites will be destroyed in the process.

To the best of my knowledge no non-Saudi can buy real estate in Mecca or Medina. They can only lease it. Unless I read about it in the Saudi papers, I consider the news allowing foreigners to buy land in Mecca as malicious gossip.

https://www.globalpropertyguide.com/Middle-East/Saudi-Arabia/Buying-Guide

 

[HAIDER]

I have perused all the links given in the post. Only the Persian language Mashriq mentions selling land around Masjid al Haram. All others only mention modernizing Mecca and building a retractable roof over Kaaba. The objection being that many heritage sites will be destroyed in the process.

To the best of my knowledge no non-Saudi can buy real estate in Mecca or Medina. They can only lease it. Unless I read about it in the Saudi papers, I consider the news allowing foreigners to buy land in Mecca as malicious gossip.

https://www.globalpropertyguide.com/Middle-East/Saudi-Arabia/Buying-Guide

They can concrete the whole whole desert, but should have left the holy places and, which they don't. They covert the hajj into tourism for generating revenue. Alteast jews are far better they preserve there holy sites . But this regime destroyed all land marks, which were asset for coming generation to learn culture and heritage of Holy Prophet PBUM and progeny . I have huge collection of premises of holy Kaaba , but sadly all is gone. Feel so sad. I am firm believer of saving heritage and specially Islamic heritage . What they have destroyed will never come back . Hajj is not luxury, convenience or tourism .It is a pillar of Islam and should be perform the way Holy Prophet perform, not in aircondition hotels and luxury buses ......

 

[Muhammed45]

I have perused all the links given in the post. Only the Persian language Mashriq mentions selling land around Masjid al Haram. All others only mention modernizing Mecca and building a retractable roof over Kaaba. The objection being that many heritage sites will be destroyed in the process.

To the best of my knowledge no non-Saudi can buy real estate in Mecca or Medina. They can only lease it. Unless I read about it in the Saudi papers, I consider the news allowing foreigners to buy land in Mecca as malicious gossip.

https://www.globalpropertyguide.com/Middle-East/Saudi-Arabia/Buying-Guide

Your point is true sir but if you read their , Saudi , sources they will hold an auction on those lands around and inside Masjid ul Haram following MBS's economic reforms.
In their sources they haven't mentioned that who are those possible foreign customers. I had read on a source, almost at the time , when Ale-Saud kingdom was established by Queen Elizabeth's help, Saudis were ordered to destroy all of Islamic heritage including Masjid ul Nabi and shrines of Sahabas. History tells us that it was ordered by English monarchy, BTW, if it wasn't for Ahli Sunnah's resistance, most of those shrines were already destroyed including the Masjid ul Haram and the structural conditions of holy Ka'aba was completely changed. However it's almost being changed while we are snoozing :

I will share you the source that i said about. Anyway from google i can show you some of their destruction, that they did to prophet's companions' , grandsons' and his wifes' shrines :

Before destruction by Ale-Saud (قبرستان بقیع)

After destruction :

 

[El Sidd]

They can concrete the whole whole desert, but should have left the holy places and, which they don't. They covert the hajj into tourism for generating revenue. Alteast jews are far better they preserve there holy sites . But this regime destroyed all land marks, which were asset for coming generation to learn culture and heritage of Holy Prophet PBUM and progeny . I have huge collection of premises of holy Kaaba , but sadly all is gone. Feel so sad. I am firm believer of saving heritage and specially Islamic heritage . What they have destroyed will never come back . Hajj is not luxury, convenience or tourism .It is a pillar of Islam and should be perform the way Holy Prophet perform, not in aircondition hotels and luxury buses ......

that is your interpretation. they just say they are now modernizing their welcoming culture by adding modernity on the side lines.

they are neither forcing you to take air conditioned hotels or luxury buses and if you want you can still do everything according to the old ways.

you are just complaining for the sake of complaining my friend.

Your point is true sir but if you read their , Saudi , sources they will hold an auction on those lands around and inside Masjid ul Haram following MBS's economic reforms.
In their sources they haven't mentioned that who are those possible foreign customers. I had read on a source, almost at the time , when Ale-Saud kingdom was established by Queen Elizabeth's help, Saudis were ordered to destroy all of Islamic heritage including Masjid ul Nabi and shrines of Sahabas. History tells us that it was ordered by English monarchy, BTW, if it wasn't for Ahli Sunnah's resistance, most of those shrines were already destroyed including the Masjid ul Haram and the structural conditions of holy Ka'aba was completely changed. However it's almost being changed while we are snoozing :

I will share you the source that i said about. Anyway from google i can show you some of their destruction, that they did to prophet's companions' , grandsons' and his wifes' shrines :

Before destruction by Ale-Saud (قبرستان بقیع)

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After destruction :

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all you have is propaganda

 

[Muhammed45]

@niaz

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_early_Islamic_heritage_sites_in_Saudi_Arabia

Destruction of early Islamic heritage sites in Saudi Arabia
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Jannatul Baqi graveyard in Medina, Saudi Arabia
The destruction of sites associated with early Islam is an ongoing phenomenon that has occurred mainly in the Hejaz region of western Saudi Arabia, particularly around the holy cities of Mecca and Medina. The demolition has focused on mosques, burial sites, homes and historical locations associated with the Islamic prophet Muhammad and many of the founding personalities of early Islamic history.[1] In Saudi Arabia, many of the demolitions have officially been part of the continued expansion of the Masjid al-Haram at Mecca and the Prophet's Mosque in Medina and their auxiliary service facilities in order to accommodate the ever-increasing number of Muslims performing the pilgrimage (hajj).[2]



Contents
[1History

• 1.119th century
• 1.220th century
• 1.321st century

• 2Destroyed sites
  • 2.1Mosques
  • 2.2Cemeteries and tombs
  • 2.3Historical religious sites

• 3See also

• 4References

• 5External links

History[edit]
Much of the Arabian Peninsula was politically unified by 1932 in the third and current Saudi State, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. The military campaign led by King Abdulaziz ibn Saud and his Bedouin army of tribesmen conquered the Hejaz and ousted the ruling Hashemite clan. The new Najdi rulers, nomadic Arabs largely tribal and illiterate, found themselves at the reins of a highly sophisticated society. A cohesive political structure based on the Majlis al-Shura (consultative council) system had been in place for centuries. A central administrative body managed an annual budget which allocated expenditure on secondary schools, military and police forces.[3] Similarly, the religious fabric of the Najd and the Hejaz were vastly different. Traditional Hejazi cultural customs and rituals were almost entirely religious in nature. Celebrations honouring Muhammad, his family and companions, reverence of deceased saints, visitation of shrines, tombs and holy sites connected with any of these were among the customs indigenous to Hejazi Islam.[4] As administrative authority of the Hejaz passed into the hands of Najdi Wahabi Muslims from the interior, the Wahabi Ulama viewed local religious practices as unfounded superstition superseding codified religious sanction that was considered a total corruption of religion and the spreading of heresy.[5] What followed was a removal of the physical infrastructure, tombs, mausoleums, mosques and sites associated with the family and companions of Muhammad.[6]

19th century[edit]
See also: Demolition of al-Baqi and Wahhabi sack of Karbala
In 1801 and 1802, the Saudis under Abdul Aziz ibn Muhammad ibn Saud attacked and captured the Shia holy cities of Karbala and Najaf in today's Iraq, massacred parts of the Shia Muslim population and destroyed the tomb of Husayn ibn Ali, the grandson of Muhammad and son of Ali, Muhammad's son-in-law. In 1803 and 1804, the Saudis captured Mecca and Medina and destroyed historical monuments and various holy Muslim sites and shrines, such as the shrine built over the tomb of Fatimah, the daughter of Muhammad, and even intended to destroy the grave of Muhammad himself as idolatrous, causing outrage throughout the Muslim world.[7][8][9] In Mecca, the tombs of direct relations of Muhammad located at Jannatul Mualla cemetery, including that of his first wife Khadijah bint Khuwaylid, were demolished.[10] The initial dismantling of the sites began in 1806 when the Wahhabi army of the First Saudi State occupied Medina and systematically levelled many of the structures at the Jannat al-Baqi cemetery.[11] This is the vast burial site adjacent the Prophet's Mosque (Al-Masjid al-Nabawi) housing the remains of many of the members of Muhammad’s family, close companions and central figures of early Islam. The Ottoman Turks, practitioners themselves of more tolerant and at times mystical strains of Islam, had erected elaborate mausoleums over the graves of Al-Baqi. These were levelled in their entirety. Mosques across the city were also targeted and an attempt was made to demolish Muhammad's tomb.[12] Widespread vocal criticism of this last action by Muslim communities as far away as India, eventually led to abandoning any attempt on this site. Political claims made against Turkish control of the region initiated the Ottoman-Saudi war (1811–1818) in which the Saudi defeat forced Wahhabi tribesmen to retreat from the Hejaz back into the interior. Turkish forces reasserted control of the region and subsequently began extensive rebuilding of sacred sites between 1848 and 1860, many of them done employing the finest examples of Ottoman design and craftsmanship.[13]

20th century[edit]
On 21 April 1925 the mausoleums and domes at Al-Baqi in Medina were once again levelled[13] and so were indicators of the exact location of the resting places of Muhammad’s family members and descendants, as it remains to the present day. Portions of the famed Qasida al-Burda, the 13th century ode written in praise of Muhammad by Imam al-Busiri, inscribed over Muhammad's tomb were painted over. Among specific sites targeted at this time were the graves of the Martyrs of the Battle of Uhud, including the grave of the renowned Hamza ibn 'Abd al-Muttalib, uncle of Muhammad and one of his most beloved supporters, the Mosque of Fatimah Al Zahraa’, daughter of Mohammad, the Mosque of the Two Lighthouses (Manaratayn) as well as the Qubbat Al-Thanaya,[13] the cupola built as the burial place of Mohammad’s incisor tooth, which was broken from a blow received during the Battle of Uhud. In Medina, the Mashrubat Umm Ibrahim, the home of Mohammad’s Coptic Egyptian slave Mariah and birthplace of their son Ibrahim, as well as the adjacent burial site of Hamida al-Barbariyya, mother of Musa al-Kadhim, were destroyed during this time.[13] The site was paved over and is today part of the massive marble esplanade beside the Mosque. The government-appointed permanent scholarly committee of Saudi Arabia has ordered the demolition of such structures in a series of Islamic rulings noting excessive veneration leading to shirk.[14]

21st century[edit]
The twenty-first century has seen an increase in the demolition of sites in Mecca and Medina by Saudi authorities, alongside expansion of luxury development.

As the annual hajj continues to draw larger crowds year after year, the Saudi authorities deemed it necessary to raze large tracts of formerly residential neighborhoods around the two important mosques to make way for pilgrimage-related infrastructure. In 2010, it was forecast that developers were going to spend an estimated $13 billion on the largest expansion project in the city’s history.[15]

While there is widespread agreement for the need of facilities that can accommodate greater numbers of pilgrims, the development of upscale hotels and condominium towers, restaurants, shopping centres and spas[16] has caused some to criticize the over-commercialization of a site which many consider to be a divinely ordained sanctuary for Muslims.

The rapid influx of capitalist investment in Mecca and Medina leads many to believe that money and economic growth are the ultimate reason for Saudi authorities. Critics argue that this monetary focus works with Wahhabi state policy that imposes a massive cultural and social deletion within the Holy Cities,[17] erasing any elements that encourage practices counter to the Wahhabi creed.

According to The Independent, the House of Mawalid where Muhammad is said to have been born is about to be replaced by a huge royal palace, as a part of a multibillion-pound construction project in Mecca which has resulted in the destruction of hundreds of historic monuments.[18]

The Saudis have renovated the tomb of the founder of their Wahhabism sect, Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, turning his birthplace into a major tourist attraction, with Diriyahbecoming an important place of visitation within Saudi Arabia's modern borders.[19][20]

Destroyed sites[edit]
Below is an incomplete list of destroyed sites:

Mosques[edit]

• The mosque at the grave of Sayyid al-Shuhada’ Hamza ibn ‘Abd al-Muttalib.[13]
• The Mosque of Fatima Zahra.[13]
• The Mosque of al-Manaratain.[13]
• Mosque and tomb of Sayyid Imam al-Uraidhi ibn Ja‘far al-Sadiq, destroyed by dynamite on August 13, 2002.[citation needed]
• Four mosques at the site of the Battle of the Trench in Medina.[citation needed]
• The Mosque of Abu Rasheed.[21]
• Salman al-Farsi Mosque, in Medina.[21]
• Raj'at ash-Shams Mosque, in Medina.[21]

Cemeteries and tombs[edit]

• Jannat al-Baqi in Medina, leveled, still open access for men. Since women are advised against visiting cemeteries in Sunni Islam.[citation needed]
• Jannat al-Mu'alla, the ancient cemetery at Mecca.[21]
• Grave of Hamida al-Barbariyya, the mother of Imam Musa al-Kazim.
• Grave of Amina bint Wahb, Muhammad’s mother, bulldozed in 1998.[citation needed]
• Graves of Banu Hashim in Mecca.[21]
• Tombs of Hamza and other casualties of the Battle of Uhud were demolished at Mount Uhud.[21]
• Tomb of Eve in Jeddah,[21] sealed with concrete in 1975.[citation needed]
• Grave of the father of Muhammad, in Medina.[21]

Historical religious sites[edit]

• The house of Mawlid where Muhammad is believed to have been born in 570. Originally turned into a library, it now lies under a rundown building which was built 70 years ago as a compromise after Wahhabi clerics called for it to be demolished.[22]
• The house of Khadija, Muhammad’s first wife. Muslims believe he received some of the first revelations there. It was also where his children Fatimah and Qasim were born. After it was rediscovered during the Haram extensions in 1989, it was covered over and it was made into a library.[citation needed]
• A Hilton hotel stands on the site of the house of Islam’s first caliph, Abu Bakr.[23]
• House of Muhammed in Medina, where he lived after the migration from Mecca.[21]
• Dar e Arqam, the first Islamic school where Muhammad taught.[22] It now lies under the extension of the Masjid Alharam of Mecca.[citation needed]
• Qubbat’ al-Thanaya, the burial site of Muhammed's incisor that was broken in the Battle of Uhud.[13]
• Mashrubat Umm Ibrahim, built to mark the location of the house where Muhammad’s son, Ibrahim, was born to Mariah.[citation needed]
• Dome which served as a canopy over the Well of Zamzam.[21]
• Bayt al-Ahzan of Sayyida Fatima, in Medina.[21]
• House of Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq, in Medina.[21]
• Mahhalla complex of Banu Hashim, in Mecca.[21]
• House of Ali where Hasan and Husayn were born.[21]

 

[war&peace]

I have perused all the links given in the post. Only the Persian language Mashriq mentions selling land around Masjid al Haram. All others only mention modernizing Mecca and building a retractable roof over Kaaba. The objection being that many heritage sites will be destroyed in the process.

To the best of my knowledge no non-Saudi can buy real estate in Mecca or Medina. They can only lease it. Unless I read about it in the Saudi papers, I consider the news allowing foreigners to buy land in Mecca as malicious gossip.

https://www.globalpropertyguide.com/Middle-East/Saudi-Arabia/Buying-Guide

Well, I don't think KSAians will ever sell land to anyone in Mecca and Medina. Sometimes, political rivalries go to far without paying any heed to the consequences.

They are neither Bedouins, or Goat herders, so it is stupid! But then again, what else can be expected from you.

You need to read history.

 

[niaz]

I am against destruction of the heritage sites also. Saudi regime has not only ploughed over Jannat al Baqi, they have also done the same to the grave of Hazrat Amina. All traces of the graves of the martyrs of the Uhad battle have also disappeared. But this is not under the discussion here. Heading of the thread is
“ Ale –Saud is working: Selling the lands around the Shrine of Makkah to foreigners, roofing Ka’aba”

Foreigners have & can purchase land in Saudi Arabia. I have been to the Aramco compound in Dhahran in 1979 which was owned by the Aramco oil company and used to have its private TV station. I am strongly anti-Wahhabi /Salafi, but I am also against giving a wrong spin to the news. Thus far there has been no change in the Saudi Law which forbids sale of real estate in Mecca and Medina to non-Saudis. Why should we presume that the land will be sold to foreigners?

Please blame Al-e Saud all you want and curse the House of Saud to hell for genuine reasons such as bombing the Yemeni civilians, human rights abuse and now siding with Israel to undermine Iran. But spinning the news of modernization to give the impression that the Ale Saud is guilty of selling land around Ka’aba to foreigners remains a ‘Malicious gossip’ until a change in the Saudi Law is announced. Should this actually happen, I am sure that there would be coup in Arabia against the House of Saud.

 

[war&peace]

Oh...

Does it matter on my average day emaan?

The five pillars. The aqeedah of wahdat and prophethood?

If no. I am not that interested.

If you think it is do share otherwise stop using the word. We are not Brahmin Muslims to understand that.

Are you kidding me ... that you don't know it already?
okay mate, I explain for you Najdi means small pandas

 

[El Sidd]

Are you kidding me ... that you don't know it already?
okay mate, I explain for you Najdi means small pandas

Pandas are not native to Arabian peninsula so i find it quite hard to believe that but i guess maybe its some joke or something.

 

[war&peace]

Pandas are not native to Arabian peninsula so i find it quite hard to believe that but i guess maybe its some joke or something.

Evolution

 

[Nefarious]

Sufi/Salafi/ Shia given differences are all Muslims and should refrain from joining alliances against each other. This is shameful and you only become a laughing stock in front of the real enemies.

"Enemy of my enemy is my friend" bs needs to stop. Once your enemy of enemy is gone you can guess what happens next.

 

[Khafee]

You need to read history.

You need to stop showing your inferiority complex.