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[武成王]

All false propaganda. Most Muslim majority countries have good relationship with China, China government invited many ambassadors and journalists from Muslim countries including Turkey representatives to visit Xinjiang in the past few months to clarify the ridiculous attacks on China's policy. Chinese Muslim is a bridge to connect to Islamic world, China has no motivation to ruin this connection. Any person with enough intelligence will have a rational judgement on these low propaganda. The ridiculous attack can only force those rational Chinese Muslims to support China government and reduce Islam influence into China (I guess you will feel surprised on this!). There's ZERO terrorist attack in the past 2 years. (Of course, I guess you would say all the Muslim are already jailed in camps so they have no chance to push the button to bomb themselves, LOL ).

 

[Numerous]

It's a known tactic... Same that is used by the Far right... Portraying a community by their extrem to make their point...
Those guys are best Buddies behind their screen... But the moment they are face to face... It's party time...


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Pretty much bro. He wouldn't dare go out in public and call mosques "ghetto" like he does on here and insult people for not being filthy rich (assuming he is, since he always acts like other people are poor peasants).

He is as extreme as ISIS, just he's at the other end of spectrum.

 

[HannibalBarca]

I dont think so, I believe Muslim right is protected in China as I see from Indonesian vlogger living in China and my friend who once studied in China. If China really oppress Muslim in China there will be retaliation coming from Muslim around the world. China doesnt want to look bad in the eyes of Muslim. Look at how we embargo Israel just for the sake of our brothers and sisters in Palestine

Muslim world as it is today don't care about their own... People maybe...but since most of them do not own their Gov or are ready to sell their souls to get that latest TV or Phone... therefore useless in the international place.

China is slowly trying to change Muslims in what she always tried and did with other minorities... But it didn't work... As for the uighur problem it's even more problematic for them since they are ethnically different from Han/Hui chinese... whatever in appearance and culture...

So they believe that starting the "Reprogrammation" in a hardcore manner they will be able to change them in a very short period of time... But since Human culture/society need time to change...they are feeling the burn today...

 

[maximuswarrior]

The UK and US are allies right and sometimes Theresa May has had to come out and said Trump is wrong for saying XYZ about Muslims. If we too are similar like that with China, then can Pakistan come out and say such actions are wrong by China towards uighur (just assume that it is actually happening even if you don't believe it)? Or will Imran Khan be in trouble for doing that and there would be repercussions for Pakistan? If there will be repercussions then are we really partners in an alliance of sorts?

Trump is undermining that relationship for reasons we all know. Of course Theresa May is going to call him out. This example is flawed.

I am not opposed to the idea that Pakistan should be able to hand out friendly advice to an ally nation. Pakistan should approach China if there are genuine concerns. My primary concern is that this propaganda is intentionally and above all maliciously being fabricated by powers that seek hostility for all the wrong reasons. The US aim is to weaken China. They don’t care about Chinese Muslims. Much like they don’t care about other Muslims.

Nothing in this world is perfect. I don’t claim that the Chinese method is perfect, but they have genuine reasons to be alarmed. The US fabricates BS stories to create confusion. Usually they exploit ethnic and religious tensions. This is a classic example where they are trying to achieve this by playing the Uighur card. They are fanning conspiracy theories to create a wedge between China and the rest. We shouldn’t fall for it.

You have to look at China’s position. China is being extra cautious because this region has always been susceptible to mischief. Initially for years the West has been propagating false conspiracies that Pakistani groups were spreading instability in this specific region. I am sure you are aware of this. Suddenly the same Western powers have found concern for Chinese authorities detaining Uighur wives of Pakistani men. That is dubious and contradictory.

You have to understand one thing. The Western modus operandi is based on one fundamental principle. Their interests are supreme. They walk over dead innocent bodies if they have to. They constantly change their BS conspiracies which fits their narrative. This case is no different.

If China, according to some, is being harsh in their methods, much worse is the malicious attempt from Western quarters to exploit this to further their anti China agenda.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Pretty much bro. He wouldn't dare go out in public and call mosques "ghetto" like he does on here and insult people for not being filthy rich (assuming he is, since he always acts like other people are poor peasants).

He is as extreme as ISIS, just he's at the other end of spectrum.

Same thing. Different name. Different maiden.
Each of them need the other to survive...

They know the truth most of them...and they know what they are doing or saying is false or not accurate...
But since they have this sick heart... they will do everything in their powers to fulfill their most basic Selfish pulsion...whatever the cost...

While hiding behind their "Tag" some use "Islam...Other Nationalism...Others Racism and so on... Just to stay in the group... in fear to be cast aside and being seen for what they truly are...

 

[Indos]

Muslim world as it is today don't care about their own... People maybe...but since most of them do not own their Gov or are ready to sell their souls to get that latest TV or Phone... therefore useless in the international place.

China is slowly trying to change Muslims in what she always tried and did with other minorities... But it didn't work... As for the uighur problem it's even more problematic for them since they are ethnically different from Han/Hui chinese... whatever in appearance and culture...

So they believe that starting the "Reprogrammation" in a hardcore manner they will be able to change them in a very short period of time... But since Human culture/society need time to change...they are feeling the burn today...

Muslim countries are united in Palestine issue and has embargoed Israel economically and politically, so why do you think we cannot do similar action on other nation who are oppressing Muslim ?

 

[HannibalBarca]

Muslim countries are united in Palestine issue and has embargoed Israel economically and politically, so why do you think we cannot do similar action on other nation who are oppressing Muslim ?

No they are not united... Neither for Palestine or for anything else...
It's been a long time they don't care about Palestine... they keep that face just to please their people... or use it for Election days.

Most of Muslim countries are dependent of others... and therefore slave to something/one...

 

[Numerous]

Trump is undermining that relationship for reasons we all know. Of course Theresa May is going to call him out. This example is flawed.

I am not opposed to the idea that Pakistan should be able to hand out friendly advice to an ally nation. Pakistan should approach China if there are genuine concerns. My concern is that this propaganda is intentionally and above all maliciously being fabricated by powers that seek hostility. They don’t care about Chinese Muslims. Much like they don’t care about other Muslims.

Nothing in this world is perfect. I don’t claim that the Chinese method is perfect, but they have genuine reasons to be alarmed. The US fabricates BS stories to create confusion. Usually they exploit ethnic and religious tensions. This is a classic example where they are trying to achieve this by playing the Uighur card.

Okay I think some of what you said is correct and perhaps yes the american user did post the article because he has own intentions because China is a rival to his country.

Yeh I think we agree on that we should be able to hand out advice.

If I made the thread though and I posted it from a Pakistani source and it was those Pakistani husbands of uighurs wives complaining about their wives imprisonment, would that be propaganda?

They may be trying to exploit it but that doesn't mean the oppression itself isn't happening. I don't think America cares about uighurs personally, they have their own designs. But I certainly believe oppression is happening on a big scale.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Okay I think some of what you said is correct and perhaps yes the american user did post the article because he has own intentions because China is a rival to his country.

Yeh I think we agree on that we should be able to hand out advice.

If I made the thread though and I posted it from a Pakistani source and it was those Pakistani husbands of uighurs wives complaining about their wives imprisonment, would that be propaganda?

They may be trying to exploit it but that doesn't mean the oppression itself isn't happening. I don't think America cares about uighurs personally, they have their own designs. But I certainly believe oppression is happening on a big scale.

The US are no better. They don't give a shit about Muslims...only jumping on this event for their own benefit...
BUT it doesn't mean it doesn't exist and that we shall shut our eyes...

It' snot because the US do or don't something that Muslims should do the opposite... it's just a coward move.

 

[Numerous]

The US are no better. They don't give a shit about Muslims...only jumping on this event for their own benefit...
BUT it doesn't mean it doesn't exist and that we shall shut our eyes...

It' snot because the US do or don't something that Muslims should do the opposite... it's just a coward move.

Yeh the US doesn't care.

I think it's a coward move to support China in this case like the president of pakistan did. Imran Khan's feigning of ignorance wasn't good either but heck it was better than an outright public thumbs up, I can understand the pressure on politicians though.

But I believe most pakistanis, like maximus above, they aren't cowards, they're actually good people like you and me. The problem is that whilst most pakistanis care about other muslims, we don't actually believe either the oppression is happening in this case or we believe it's not happening on a very big scale. And that's the main problem - how do you persuade people that this isn't a western plot?

 

[Pangu]

Our officials had already stated, Muslims are free to fast, except those serving on official duties & students on compulsory education.

Uighurs & Muslims are just red herring and will always be use as such, until they succeed in fvcking up Xinjiang to destroy the BRI. So yes, get on the bandwagon & rock the boat chumps. The more the merrier, the thicker the stink & stupidity the better.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Yeh the US doesn't care.

I think it's a coward move to support China in this case like the president of pakistan did. Imran Khan's feigning of ignorance wasn't good either but heck it was better than an outright public thumbs up, I can understand the pressure on politicians though.

But I believe most pakistanis, like maximus above, they aren't cowards, they're actually good people like you and me. The problem is that whilst most pakistanis care about other muslims, we don't actually believe either the oppression is happening in this case or we believe it's not happening on a very big scale. And that's the main problem - how do you persuade people that this isn't a western plot?

You make them feel the same...
Ask him about Palestine and Kashmir... ask him if he believes it's US propaganda?
After that ask him...Why he believes so...

And enjoy.

Our officials had already stated, Muslims are free to fast, except those serving on official duties & students on compulsory education.

Uighurs & Muslims are just red herring and will always be use as such, until they succeed in fvcking up Xinjiang to destroy the BRI. So yes, get on the bandwagon & rock the boat chumps. The more the merrier, the thicker the stink & stupidity the better.

Yesterday no restrictions on Fasting...
Today... Only Officials and Students
and Tomorrow?

Yesterday no mosque restrictions...
Today only at a certain age and job...
Tomorrow?

 

[maximuswarrior]

Okay I think some of what you said is correct and perhaps yes the american user did post the article because he has own intentions because China is a rival to his country.

Yeh I think we agree on that we should be able to hand out advice.

If I made the thread though and I posted it from a Pakistani source and it was those Pakistani husbands of uighurs wives complaining about their wives imprisonment, would that be propaganda?

They may be trying to exploit it but that doesn't mean the oppression itself isn't happening. I don't think America cares about uighurs personally, they have their own designs. But I certainly believe oppression is happening on a big scale.

The Chinese authorities are a little rough in dealing with the Uighur situation, but they have genuine grievances. Pakistan could approach China to convey that the method should be revisited. I don’t seen any harm in that.

As for Western and particularly US propaganda, we shouldn’t fall for it. The US should in absolutely clear terms be told to piss off. We don’t want to hear anything from a hypocrite

 

[Indos]

No they are not united... Neither for Palestine or for anything else...
It's been a long time they don't care about Palestine... they keep that face just to please their people... or use it for Election days.

Most of Muslim countries are dependent of others... and therefore slave to something/one...

You cannot deny the fact that All Muslim countries have embargoed Israel economically and cut diplomatic relation with Israel. It is a show of unity. What we havent done is to liberate Palestine militarily. Nevertheles, we have taken bold step and action and that step and action should be appreciated.

And dont forget that Muslim around the world have become more conservative since 2000 and their government of course will try to satisfy their Muslim conservative aspiration by acting more Islamic in international front. I am optimistic about the future though.

 

[Cash GK]

These mothersfucker kills muslims and talking about china and do propaganda