Akinci & Aksungur and Turkish Unmanned Fighter Aircraft Program

[MMM-E]

What about KIZILELMA in the next a few years ?



First flight : 14.12.2022
Mass production : 2023


PLATFORM

to compare with Fighter Jets

Length

JF-17 : 14.32 m
Mirage-2000 : 14.36 m
JAS-39D GRIPEN : 14.80 m
F-16 : 15.06 m
Rafale : 15.27 m
F-35B : 15.60 m
KIZILELMA : 14.70 m


With consideration of a future where air combat will be dominated by unmanned technology,
and KIZILELMA is an unmanned stealth Fighter Jet

KIZILELMA will be a force to be reckoned with, specifically given its aggressive maneuvering capability and stealthiness against Radars

Basic Flight Performance Criteria

• 500 Nm Combat Radius
• 35.000 Feet Operational Altitude
• 5 Hours Endurance
• 6 Tons Maximum Take-Off Weight
• 0.6 - 1,35 Mach Cruise Speed
• 1.5 Tons Payload Capacity

Advanced Features

• Fully Autonomous Take Off and Landing
• Low RCS
• Internal weapon bay for stealth flight capability
• High Maneuverability
• Smart fleet autonomy equipped with artificial intelligence
• LOS and BLOS ( SATCOM )
• Take Off and Landing Capability from Short-Runway Aircraft Carriers
• High Situational Awareness with AESA Radar , EOTS

AESA RADAR - EOTS

Aselsan MURAD GaN based AESA Radar with 1.000 T/R modules

EOTS

STEALTH CAPABILITY


in BVR combat , stealth KIZILELMA will advantage against Rafale , F-15 , F-16. Fighter Jets because of 4th gen Fighter Jets with bigger RCS ( 1m2 to 5m2 even 15m2 )


The RCS value for KIZILELMA could be less than 0.1m2

-- KIZILELMA has a monocoque composite body. It means the body is a single piece without any rough surfaces. This improves stealth capability incredibly

-- The RAM paint reduce the RCS value of the KIZILELMA

-- KIZILELMA will carry air missiles in the internal weapon stations for stealth flight capability


if KIZILELMA with RCS of 0.1 m2

F-16V with AN-APG-83 AESA Radar can detect KIZILELMA from 60-65 km away
RAFALE with RBE2 AESA Radar can detect KIZILELMA from 60-70 km away

on the other hand KIZILELMA with MURAD AESA Radar can detect F-16V and RAFALE from 120+ km away

first-look, first-shot, first-kill capability
That means KIZILELMA can see an enemy plane first, fire a missile and destroy the target without the other pilot ever knowing about it

ENGINE

Speed of mach 0,6 with AI-25TLT turbofan engine
Speed of mach 1.35 with AI-322F turbofan engine
There will be twin engined variant


AI-322F Turbofan Engine .... 41.2 kN (9,262 lbf) afterburning

Indigenous TF-6000 and TF-10.000 Turbofan Engine under development to power KIZILELMA

WEAPONS

Strategic offensives
Missile offensives
Close air support (CAS)
Suppression of enemy air defenses (SEAD)
Destruction of enemy air defenses (DEAD)

CAKIR and SOM Cruise Missiles ( 150-280 km ) land attack and anti-ship capabilities

Air to Air Missiles
25 km BOZDOGAN
100+ km GOKDOGAN
RAMJET powered long range GOKHAN air to air missile which is similar to METEOR

100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air missile ... ( speed of mach 4 .. two way datalink )

KIZILELMA could revolutionize the battlefield with its key landing and take-off capabilities on Ships with short runways as like TCG ANADOLU

 

[[TR]AHMET]

This is a line of site operation. I think Turkey should focus on TB series, then Akinci and kizilElma instead of going in so many directions. These platforms need AI badly in case there is EMP jamming techniques deployed in a war theater disrupting communications.

Next critical steps are to produce in batches the Bozdogan / Gokhan, etc HOBS and BVR missiles and integrate with KizilElma and Akinci to produce a full weapons package for deployment along with AI in KizilElma! That completes a battle worthy system.

Bro Turkiye professional on AI and tactical data links like Kement which can not be jammed. Thus we have strong self confidence on this field. focusing this kind of projects is correct decision, also those systems will work in harmony and coordination with manned systems. if connection blocked they will keep to do their missions or not then go back home. Also you can programming the missions to hit stationary bases, they will flight hit targets and go back home. another scenario you can programming for air targets in some fields to take down enemy air crafts even without connection with command control center.

 

[Deino]

Congrats again!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1603021240045813766

 

[Horse_Rider]

Bro Turkiye professional on AI and tactical data links like Kement which can not be jammed. Thus we have strong self confidence on this field. focusing this kind of projects is correct decision, also those systems will work in harmony and coordination with manned systems. if connection blocked they will keep to do their missions or not then go back home. Also you can programming the missions to hit stationary bases, they will flight hit targets and go back home. another scenario you can programming for air targets in some fields to take down enemy air crafts even without connection with command control center.

The WORST thing you can say in military planning and missions is "things will work in harmony"!! There is no such thing. You ALWAYS plan for "what happens when our stuff is failed" and then how to accomplish objectives. I'm not a 16 year old fanboy on here.

How does a "data link" not "jammed"? Any EMP device can cut the data link off as long as it's "on air". I never doubted Turkieye's capability in AI. I wanted to see what's in the solution for AI to manage the data link cut off scenario and how it will achieve it's mission objectives? If you don't have the answers, let someone else answer me?

@Hakikat ve Hikmet @MMM-E?

 

[Path-Finder]

مَا شَاءَ ٱللَّٰهُ​

https://twitter.com/x/status/1603034148880502789

take off and landing

 

[Path-Finder]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1603018076869611522

 

[hyperman]

I wanted to see what's in the solution for AI to manage the data link cut off scenario and how it will achieve it's mission objectives? If you don't have the answers, let someone else answer me?

not sure what the solution on the kizilelma is or how its been developed and expanded, but seljuk bayraktar when commenting on the issue of jamming for the TB2 said the the TB2 has been designed to return back to base, based on inertial navigation(to resist GPS spoofing) if the connection is lost or jammed. and depending on the mission can also be programmed to go and hit a preprogrammed specific target even if the drone is lost, if the target is valuable and important enough to lose a drone over.

I suspect the AI solution will be a bit more advanced, in terms of operating based on preprogrammed signatures and different behaviors based on whatever input it is picking up. an unrelated project kargu loitering munition for example was seen autonomously carrying out kills in swarms in libya, based on preprogrammed signatures of targets. Of course an AI for a full on fighter will need more work than an AI for a cheaper loitering munition, but I believe their goal is to develop the platform piece by piece.

 

[Oublious]

The WORST thing you can say in military planning and missions is "things will work in harmony"!! There is no such thing. You ALWAYS plan for "what happens when our stuff is failed" and then how to accomplish objectives. I'm not a 16 year old fanboy on here.

How does a "data link" not "jammed"? Any EMP device can cut the data link off as long as it's "on air". I never doubted Turkieye's capability in AI. I wanted to see what's in the solution for AI to manage the data link cut off scenario and how it will achieve it's mission objectives? If you don't have the answers, let someone else answer me?

@Hakikat ve Hikmet @MMM-E?

you watch to much movies, emp lol.

Tusas roadmap uav.

 

[Oublious]

Looks like agean sea will be game over for Greece and ther rafale...

 

[mulj]

Historic milestone for Turkyie both for TEI turbofan motor and Kizilelma first flight.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

I am pretty sure the PAF strategists are chalking up plans to put KE into the foray!! Come and get the "Azad Kashmir"!!!!

 

[Horse_Rider]

you watch to much movies, emp lol.

Tusas roadmap uav.

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Did you just tell me I "watch" too much movies? Next time you respond to my post, try to answer the question instead silly commenting. These capabilities that I'm asking for can turn a product into Gold vs. Junk. So don't give me the impression you don't have options as that would mean your products are in it's infancy and can't be used by nations to rely for their defense.

Take a look at what the Russians do to TB2. It's not even mentioned that it's used anymore. They took those out like chicken. And Russia isn't even an advance country!

 

[BaybarsHan]

 

[Ali_Baba]

Fantastic news on the first flight of the UAV.. but more importantly, "the first flight of a muslim developed FBW for an aerodynamically unstable jet platform" - the success of the FBW is what excites me the most about this test flight as it clears the first path for both the Hurjet and TFX - both of which will use similar developed FBW's computers !!!!!

 

[[TR]AHMET]

The WORST thing you can say in military planning and missions is "things will work in harmony"!! There is no such thing. You ALWAYS plan for "what happens when our stuff is failed" and then how to accomplish objectives. I'm not a 16 year old fanboy on here.

How does a "data link" not "jammed"? Any EMP device can cut the data link off as long as it's "on air". I never doubted Turkieye's capability in AI. I wanted to see what's in the solution for AI to manage the data link cut off scenario and how it will achieve it's mission objectives? If you don't have the answers, let someone else answer me?

@Hakikat ve Hikmet @MMM-E?

There is no answer until Baykar anounced KE's capabilities. what you mention is already have developed since long time and will be contunie to developing until KE matured for worst senarios.

But what i know our drones have swarm ability, they can detect the enemies with its AI and can destroy itself, also they can go back home through national positioning system, system for describing the earth's shapes and artificial intelligence also it can be programming for some special tasks.

As i know EMP method is dangerous for both sides if we cant use electronic systems also they cant use. If they atack our data link as specifically our system is uniqe in the world it is very hard to jamming. I dont have enough information about it maybe other members can explain better or you can search. Link M and Kement

Another point they have to detect KE for EMP atack, thats very diffucult. before their EMP atack we can move first.