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Akinci & Aksungur and Turkish Unmanned Fighter Aircraft Program

Mate i am quite ignorant regarding the subject. So will Anka use a domestic mission computer combined with CW mission computer(only for Automatic Take Off and Landing System) or will it completly use the foreign mission computer.

Depends on the iteration.. some early Anka prototypes were using foreign mission computers and some are using indigenous mission computers made by TAI..

With the latest news, it seems TAI will stick with their mission computer and add CW mission computer for ATOL..
 
i am for GPUs more than CPUs , we are going toward automated systems with a possible complex AI system. A conventional CPU will be out-powered for decision making,a GPU can be modeled as complex on VRAMs . So i expect to see someone about U(C)AVs will consider to use GPUs in future in Turkey.

Also the top super computers are using GPUs as cluster processing, while CPUs are used in nodes to distribute data and arrange/write back from GPUs. I have operated a normal CPU supercomputer for some needs , and once operated a single GPU . Performance is unbelievable but it is about preparing code to work on VRAM.

A supercomputer is a need but it is needed when you have some projects. Now we have a supercomputer and thats enough


What supersomputer do we have, is it the ones at ITU. They are hardly supercomputers.

GPU or CPU they are all PUs. If you have specialised tasks that does a certain type of computation then a GPU will do the job better. Homegrown anything is acceptable.

A supercomputer of today will be an ordinary computer in just 5 years down the road, so you need to keep updating.
 
Mate i am quite ignorant regarding the subject. So will Anka use a domestic mission computer combined with CW mission computer(only for Automatic Take Off and Landing System) or will it completly use the foreign mission computer.

It is the mission computer of auto take-off and landing system processing the informations to control the wings in accordance with dataes given by TO/L radars stationed on airfield. Since MMW based take-off/landing radar is under development phase, A foreign radar is being used for that mission so It is normal to use a foreign command unit on Anka. When Meteksan completed development of domestic radar, TO/L mission computer of ANKA communicating with related radar will also be domestic... Flight/mission computer of ANKA is a different story and It is domestic.
 
What supersomputer do we have, is it the ones at ITU. They are hardly supercomputers.

GPU or CPU they are all PUs. If you have specialised tasks that does a certain type of computation then a GPU will do the job better. Homegrown anything is acceptable.

A supercomputer of today will be an ordinary computer in just 5 years down the road, so you need to keep updating.

The one in ITU is a super-computer. It may not be powerfull as new ones but it has been updated by time. The processors has changed.
During 5 years also it will be updated.

As i see that supercomputer is enough for now,if science in Turkey goes well on need of supercomputer ,then we may consider to build a new one (simply purchase). Guys in US models the universe in SC ,will we model pepper distribution in menemen?.
 
The one in ITU is a super-computer. It may not be powerfull as new ones but it has been updated by time. The processors has changed.
During 5 years also it will be updated.

As i see that supercomputer is enough for now,if science in Turkey goes well on need of supercomputer ,then we may consider to build a new one (simply purchase). Guys in US models the universe in SC ,will we model pepper distribution in menemen?.

China has the most powerfull supercomputer at the moment.

China’s Tianhe-2 still the fastest supercomputer in the world, but the US is catching up | ExtremeTech

If US scientific activity was any use to the world the other world countries should stop having supercomputers. It is surprising to hear these words from your person. Please go ahead and submit a paper at the upcoming high performance computing conference to be held next month in Ankara and enlighten the Turkish scientific community.

We are in an era of high performance simulations and realtime automatic computational optimisation. Every bit of computer power is usable. We were not able to use supercomputers before and ordinary computers would be capable of doing the tasks we employed them for but now we want to be a spacefaring nation and do aviation; build planes and turbofan engines; do cloud computing have our own car brands. And we want to do them under multiple efforts.

I personally could benefit from such optimisation infrastructures for the airframes that I design for my own projects.

Looking down on Turks; what a shame.
 
China has the most powerfull supercomputer at the moment.

China’s Tianhe-2 still the fastest supercomputer in the world, but the US is catching up | ExtremeTech

If US scientific activity was any use to the world the other world countries should stop having supercomputers. It is surprising to hear these words from your person. Please go ahead and submit a paper at the upcoming high performance computing conference to be held next month in Ankara and enlighten the Turkish scientific community.

We are in an era of high performance simulations and realtime automatic computational optimisation. Every bit of computer power is usable. We were not able to use supercomputers before and ordinary computers would be capable of doing the tasks we employed them for but now we want to be a spacefaring nation and do aviation; build planes and turbofan engines; do cloud computing have our own car brands. And we want to do them under multiple efforts.

I personally could benefit from such optimisation infrastructures for the airframes that I design for my own projects.

Looking down on Turks; what a shame.
A 120-240 core SC would be enough for what you are saying. No need a huge supercomputer to held a multi disciplinary optimizations unless that is so critical.

I dont look down turkish scientists never, i just say the truth about of usage if there is a huge SC. For your knowledge you can do cloud computing in ITU when you need, can register to institution,you will have remote access to run your own codes.

A commercial software asks 120k USD for 2 core commercial , 3500 USD fore each core.

For airframes you have developed, a 2 CPU 24 core Workstation would be enough imo. Can use commercial softwares to set up your optimization.

you take my example to show as if i made US reference in this matter. It is just an example , also i know HPC studies in turkey and my point isnt that. The problem isnt in HPC ,but it is about how to use HPC.
 
A 120-240 core SC would be enough for what you are saying. No need a huge supercomputer to held a multi disciplinary optimizations unless that is so critical.

I dont look down turkish scientists never, i just say the truth about of usage if there is a huge SC. For your knowledge you can do cloud computing in ITU when you need, can register to institution,you will have remote access to run your own codes.

A commercial software asks 120k USD for 2 core commercial , 3500 USD fore each core.

For airframes you have developed, a 2 CPU 24 core Workstation would be enough imo. Can use commercial softwares to set up your optimization.

you take my example to show as if i made US reference in this matter. It is just an example , also i know HPC studies in turkey and my point isnt that. The problem isnt in HPC ,but it is about how to use HPC.


You don't need commercial software, just use opensource for free, just takes some learning curve to use it.

With automatic shape optimisation the same procedures are run over and over which is unlike previous methods. And higher resolutions and better and better converging equations can be solved with recent developments in the area in the last decade.

Anyways; when you don't have it you will think you don't need it. But once you have it and find the ways to make good use of it then you can't do without it.
 
A 120-240 core SC would be enough for what you are saying. No need a huge supercomputer to held a multi disciplinary optimizations unless that is so critical.

I dont look down turkish scientists never, i just say the truth about of usage if there is a huge SC. For your knowledge you can do cloud computing in ITU when you need, can register to institution,you will have remote access to run your own codes.

A commercial software asks 120k USD for 2 core commercial , 3500 USD fore each core.

For airframes you have developed, a 2 CPU 24 core Workstation would be enough imo. Can use commercial softwares to set up your optimization.

you take my example to show as if i made US reference in this matter. It is just an example , also i know HPC studies in turkey and my point isnt that. The problem isnt in HPC ,but it is about how to use HPC.


Use for commercial purposes (official) is absolutely nothing. Even when these projects are strategic, and the majority they are, they are classified ‘state secrets (Weapon designs)’. A nation that is not able to design and manufacture its own supercomputers has no future.

The key is all vital defense projects: space, aeronautic, nuclear (Development and simulation), communications security, Energy, Navy Military submarine (Oceans, 72% of the planet's surface).


See links :


Los Alamos National Laboratory

IBM Roadrunner

Laser Mégajoule

Tera 100

CEA de Bruyères-le-Châtel

Z Pulsed Power Facility

Saudi Arabian supercomputer enters top ten list (Read all pages)


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Obama wants the US to build the world's first exascale supercomputer

By Rob Thubron on July 30, 2015, 10:15 AM

President Obama has issued an executive order authorizing the creation of a National Strategic Computer Initiative that will attempt to build the first ever exascale computer, which would be 30 times faster than today’s fastest supercomputer.

The new initiative will see collaborations between the Department of Energy, Department of Defense and the National Science Foundation, with NASA, the FBI, the National Institutes of Health, the Department of Homeland Security, and NOAA providing input during the early stages of development. The primary task of the initiative is accelerating delivery of a capable exascale computing system.

“Computational problems and data centric problems are coming together in areas that range from energy, to climate modeling, to healthcare. This shift dictates the need for a balanced ecosystem for high performance computing with an undergirding infrastructure that supports both computationally-intensive and data centric computing.”

Currently, the fastest supercomputer in the world is China’s Tianhe-2, which runs at 33.86 petaflops. This means it is capable of performing 33.86 quadrillion floating point operations per second. The second fastest supercomputer in existence resides in the US; Titan Cray XK7, a machine at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee, runs at 17.59 petaflops.

The United States still has more entries on the Top500 list of supercomputers than any other country; it houses 233 of the world’s fastest computers, Europe 141 and China 37.

The National Strategic Computer Initiative seeks to build a supercomputer capable of running at 1000 petaflops or higher, which would make it the world’s first exaflop computer. This would give it the ability to perform one quintillion (a billion billion) calculations per second, which is believed to be the order of processing power of the human brain at neural level.

There was no timeline provided as to when this project will be completed, although the executive order did state that NSCI must be setup within 90 days of today and must release annual reports about its progress.

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Obama orders creation of exascale supercomputer

Can the president's executive order prompt the development of computer systems capable of running at 1 exaflops?

By Charlie Osborne for Between the Lines | July 30, 2015 -- 07:56 GMT (08:56 BST)

US President Obama is seeking the might of exascale computers to power the country's government departments in the future.

In a new executive order, the president has issued demands for a new initiative which will focus exclusively on supercomputing research, released by the White House on Wednesday. Titled "Creating a national strategic computing initiative," the president's order outlines plans to create the world's first exascale computing system in order to establish the country's position in high-performance computing (HPC) research and development.

An exascale system would be capable of performing 1 million trillion floating-point operations per second -- otherwise converted as 1,000 petaflops or 1 exaflops -- which is far quicker than today's supercomputers.

However, such a system would need an architecture capable of combining thousands of high-power processors and CPUs, a complete overhaul of how today's computers operate, and would require a fortune in energy and building costs based upon today's system usage rates.

As reported by IEEE Spectrum, an exascale computer could be built, but current systems simply aren't tenable. Steve Scott, senior vice president and chief technology officer at Cray told the publication:

"To some degree it depends on how much money a country is willing to spend. You could build an exaflop computer tomorrow, but it'd be a crazy thing to do because of the cost and energy required to run it."

Despite this, HPC research has to start somewhere. Obama's order has led to the launch of the National Strategic Computing Initiative (NSCI), a "whole-of-government effort designed to create a cohesive, multi-agency strategic vision and Federal investment strategy, executed in collaboration with industry and academia, to maximize the benefits of HPC for the United States."

The initiative will primarily be a partnership between the US Department of Energy (DOE), the Department of Defense (DOD), and the National Science Foundation (NSF), although the private sector will also be consulted.

The US president believes that increased demand for computing power and maintaining economic growth requires the high performance of next-generation computers. As a result, the new federal strategy aims to propel research in this area forward through orders for the US to deploy and apply HPC technologies across the board, the fostering of growth for public-private collaborative research efforts and increased communication between different government departments, academic institutions and companies.

In addition, Obama says the US must develop a "comprehensive technical and scientific approach" to extend HPC research into hardware, system software, development tools, and applications.

Ultimately, the NSCI is tasked with the development of an exascale computing system which can deliver approximately 100 times the performance of current 10 petaflop systems across a range of applications for government use.

The initiative is also expected to provide, "over the next 15 years, a viable path forward for future HPC systems even after the limits of current semiconductor technology are reached (the "post- Moore's Law era")," according to the order.

If exascale supercomputers become reality through the initiative, NASA, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the National Institutes of Health, the Department of Homeland Security, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) will benefit the most -- and have the option to pitch in their own ideas, requirements and applications through the research process.

While there is no definitive timeline for the NSCI to pull an exascale computer out of the hat, the group's council is required to submit a plan for the development of exascale computers within 90 days of the order being issued and check-in with updates annually.


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Hello ! Hello ! Hello ! The leadership from Turkey. Where are you ? Nobody can write to the Prime Minister of Turkey ?


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