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Akinci & Aksungur and Turkish Unmanned Fighter Aircraft Program

Actually we also have local companies capable to make the system like radar, CMS, and others. But they are mostly used for modernizing old vessel like Van Speijk Class frigates. New vessel uses imported system and this trend is also criticized by our defense journalist above.



As I said in my previous post, our official is not interested in assembling work. This is what I read some years ago since I was also quite enthusiast with the program and following the news about it.



Yup, quite true although I dont agree with the words tiny since their encroachment area is not small either, but because our sea territory is very large, so it looks quite small from the map looking point of view.



Can be those accumulative problems that you mentioned that trigger the change of the system.

KCR 60 second batch has already addressed the issue and so far there is no complaint from Navy. The maker, PT PAL, has also joined the tender to make OPV for Indonesian Navy using their owned design.



I believe Indonesian defense industry which was involved in the project, PTDI, understand the situation better. They also have made several under license weapon like torpedo and FFAR rockets. And so far it is the company which manufacture our home grown Rhan122 m rocket, together with Pindad. As I have stated previously, our engineers only want the know how to make critical part like engine and guidance system for cruise missile. They are not interested with assembling work.

Our planners, as I observe, prefer to do research by ourselves regarding cruise missile. It is the only way getting the know how since many cruise missile maker dont want to share critical technology, just like what we experience with Chinese. It is why we have initiated our cruise missile program, starting with the engine and guidance system by our state university and just start at this year they have made consortium on cruise missile program with PTDI become the lead consortium and already get the contract from defense ministry office. Other research institution like LAPAN (space agency) and BPPT also have their cruise missile research and for LAPAN they have tested it several times.

I hope Indonesia has learned from China and builds a naval base or such if there island in that area. China will take it if you don’t stake your claim with heavy investment. Philippines should have built lighthouses on their claumed islands too. If they still haven’t done so. Then it’s probably too late noone there can take on China.

I asked the same question before but today I got the answer :D:D
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That is exactly what I was thinking ottoman sultans married women from their harem to loyal sibjects or ppl they wanted to tie to themselves. RTE did the same with Baykar
 
I hope Indonesia has learned from China and builds a naval base or such if there island in that area. China will take it if you don’t stake your claim with heavy investment. Philippines should have built lighthouses on their claumed islands too. If they still haven’t done so. Then it’s probably too late noone there can take on China.

Unlike China artificial islands in SCS, we have 154 real islands in our North Natuna Sea with Natuna island is the biggest, even it has its own mountain. We have been building up the island as military base for all forces (Army, Navy, and Air Force) for quite some time, particularly since Jokowi become a President.


Natuna Island

 
Unlike China artificial islands in SCS, we have 154 real islands in our North Natuna Sea with Natuna island is the biggest, even it has its own mountain. We have been building up the island as military base for all forces (Army, Navy, and Air Force) for quite some time, particularly since Jokowi become a President.


Natuna Island

Great news :)
 
I asked the same question before but today I got the answer :D:D
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This stupid conversation has become boring. It is no different to accuse Baykar of absurd claims than being a PKK member. PKK already put baykar on the target board. There are many army members in our army who has the ability to compare baykar and Karayel,and will be able to decide which one deserves the tender.
 
This stupid conversation has become boring. It is no different to accuse Baykar of absurd claims than being a PKK member. PKK already put baykar on the target board. There are many army members in our army who has the ability to compare baykar and Karayel,and will be able to decide which one deserves the tender.

Yep there was also on July 14, 2016 Then you were "deceived". And they disappeared, right?
 
Yep there was also on July 14, 2016 Then you were "deceived". And they disappeared, right?
Yes that story has many different point of views to accuse of others. And now no need to continue it anymore. And if Vestel has enough capability Turkish army procure it. Baykar made its successful way by sweating with his full effort.
 
How can you prove to me that you and those like you aren't fetoists?

I am for the equal division of my state's money. I do not say that they choose only one firm and then say "45445454557 year state mind" and answer the questions.
 
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I am for the equal division of my state's money. I do not say that they choose only one firm and then say "45445454557 year state mind" and answer the questions. As a result, this makes you a fetöş, not me.
If the money of the state is transferred to an immature Karayel, the money of the state will go to an undeserved place. Although Vestel is a successful company, it fails on some issues Karayel for right now. the state does not have to fund its immature projects. Baykar is a company that has nationalized many of its sub-parts.
 
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If the money of the state is transferred to an immature Karayel, the money of the state will go to an undeserved place. Although Vestel is a successful company, it fails on some issues Karayel for right now. the state does not have to fund its immature projects. Baykar is a company that has nationalized many of its sub-parts, and I think you are a fetoist who opposes this.

Why did you not order Anka and pour all the money into Baykar when all sides of Bayraktar are not at the same level with Anka and you are collecting all over here, then ?
 
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I will not discuss this stupid issue with you anymore, but if I am a member of dhkpc, PKK or another terrorist organization, I will try to prevent his from selling products to the state if I cannot prevent Bayraktar UCAV from hitting me. Siha Sezgin did same sh..t too. Take your lesson from what i am telling here.
 
Unlike China artificial islands in SCS, we have 154 real islands in our North Natuna Sea with Natuna island is the biggest, even it has its own mountain. We have been building up the island as military base for all forces (Army, Navy, and Air Force) for quite some time, particularly since Jokowi become a President.


Natuna Island

i was in Indonesia end of noember. really liked itttt. you also make fish kebab with wood, liked it, sorry that its not part of it.

You might hae your own drone but making thermal amera, designing its mission omputer and so on is super hard
 
i was in Indonesia end of noember. really liked itttt. you also make fish kebab with wood, liked it, sorry that its not part of it.

You might hae your own drone but making thermal amera, designing its mission omputer and so on is super hard

That was good. I rarely see Turkish in Indonesia, just one occasion I had a meeting with Turkish man, very respectful and polite guy. My friend also has business or work ( I forgot work or business) with Turkish man. My mother and sister had plan to visit Turkey just last year but because of my sister tight schedule, the plan was cancelled and change to China. Can you tell me more about your visit, is it for business, work, or vacation ?

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Talking about drone subsystem, Indonesia also try to make its own mission system, flight control system, and SAR Radar. This is why there are 3 drone related program that enters National Strategic Program. PT LEN Industry, our state owned electronic company has been appointed to develop mission system and flight control while LAPAN (space agency) will make SAR Radar. There is also ITB (Bandung Institute of Technology) and BPPT (Gov Research Agency) in the consortium that will help the development.

PT LEN Industry has already made mission system for our UAV Wulung and has been operated since 2017. Here is the official PT LEN Industry website talking about that.

https://www.len.co.id/menhan-saksikan-uji-coba-pesawat-nir-awak-buatan-dalam-negeri/

The task Today is to make one for MALE UAV and they are right now developing a prototype for that.

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There is contract signed already.

Indonesia’s PT Len to develop UAV mission systems
Jon Grevatt, Bangkok
- Jane's Defence Industry
03 February 2020

The Indonesian Ministry of Defence (MoD) has signed an agreement with local company PT Len Industri to support the production of mission systems for the country’s indigenously developed Elang Hitam (Black Eagle) medium-altitude, long-endurance (MALE) unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV).

The MoD said the contract, signed on 30 January, will see PT Len Industri develop, produce, and integrate key systems into the strike-capable Elang Hitam UAV by 2023.

The work under the deal, the value of which was not disclosed, includes the “detailed design engineering” of the UAV; “technology acquisition documents” that will outline the technologies needed for mass production; “hardware in the loop” reviews and testing; and production of the UAV’s ground control station.

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SAR Radar will be developed by LAPAN (Space Agency). Our LAPAN agency has close relationship with Prof Josaphat Tetuko Sri Sumantyo, an Indonesian who lead SAR Radar development in Japan and has his own Josaphat Microwave Remote Sensing laboratory in Japan. Our government has also had cooperation with him to make SAR Radar for micro satellite but according to my cousin working in Gov Research Agency, the cooperation is not continued and LAPAN will develop it independently.

He was formerly working in our Gov Research Agency (BPPT) for 10 years and until now is still having a position as Head Division Center for Remote Sensing (CRS) in Bandung Institute of Technology, our MIT version but it is state owned, as our best universities are all state owned.

You can see his research on his laboratory website http://www.jmrsl.jp/

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But according to PTDI engineer, first block of MALE UAV will still use subsystem from Spain.

Other subsystem that we cannot make will be subcontracted to foreign companies and of course Turkey will likely be considered, judging from our previous defense industry cooperation.
 

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