Akihito apologizes for aggression and orders Abe to Beijing on anniversary of surrender to China

[j20blackdragon]

The importance of the Japanese economy is highly overrated.

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[Aepsilons]

Maybe my figure is wrong, but the real production capacity will surpass 30 million per year 2015, maybe the availability lower.

Very wrong.

60 milllion cars? Are you nuts? China manufactures some 20-22 million cars a year, which is about 25% of world production and is a LOT more than the number 2, which is about 12 million cars a year. That being said, the most technologically advanced cars (aside from electric) are the Western/Korean/Japanese brands, but the Chinese brands are catching up quickly. That being said, if you pretty much deny Japanese participation in your economic miracle, why would they want to cooperate? Not that this is the actual situation, but just hypothetically speaking.

Japan needs to become Asian again. For this, perhaps China needs to give it a carrot. I believe they'll turn around. Carrot like a FTA, investment agreement, a China-Korea-Japan economic space? Perhaps a single currency down the line?

Good correction @IR-TR

 

[XiaoYaoZi Backup]

True what you say. And you answered them well with the China-Korea FTA, it left them out. I bet Japanese businesspeople/companies are burning down their parliament begging them to do something about it (meaning concluding a FTA with you guys). It's sad really. Their entire government is taken hostage by foreign interests. I think the Japanese got over their past superiority already.

There are no medicines to heal the bad effect of regret, time will tell all next tens of years. Let someone continue to live in fantasy, lose their way continuously. We Chinese have our own way to go and never stop.

60 milllion cars? Are you nuts? China manufactures some 20-22 million cars a year, which is about 25% of world production and is a LOT more than the number 2, which is about 12 million cars a year. That being said, the most technologically advanced cars (aside from electric) are the Western/Korean/Japanese brands, but the Chinese brands are catching up quickly. That being said, if you pretty much deny Japanese participation in your economic miracle, why would they want to cooperate? Not that this is the actual situation, but just hypothetically speaking.

Japan needs to become Asian again. For this, perhaps China needs to give it a carrot. I believe they'll turn around. Carrot like a FTA, investment agreement, a China-Korea-Japan economic space? Perhaps a single currency down the line?

The production capability of China's automobiles will reach over 50 millions per year in 2015. China's domestic demand is your figure about 23 million per year, the global demand is about 80 millions per year. The Chinese domestic production capability of automobile is surplus seriously. The car makers will face an unprecedented fierce competition, after this round of competition China will survive a bunch of winners that will have very very powerful competitiveness.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Is this the first step toward rapprochement? And kicking the US out? In Japan, I believe the emperor still decides? Let it be so. Go our fat obese yank, these are Asian waters! Asian problems. Asian solutions. And if mike is back 2000 wants to join the party, F you in advance

Ahahahah.....no surprise coming from you. U.S/west evil countries bla bla. .lol.

So you think even if Abe finally decided to attend the celebrations, it will change anything about Japan's alliance with the U.S or Japan trying to keep its leading position in Asia? Lool Japan trying to counter balance China's rise is nothing but nornal, as it has been the case for centuries with established powers always trying to keep their leading position when faced with a potential upcomng one who might pose a threat to their position and change the status quo(ever wondered why Japan refused to join AIIB?) coupled with historical issues and island dispute it makes it even more toxic

The problem with you my friend is that you dont even care to understand how geopolitics works, you are too emotional and tend to see things the way you wish it should be. Just because you hate the west to the core despite immigrating here to live a bettter life, doesnt means you should not be impartial/pragmatic enough to be able to say things the way they are.

Reason its difficult/impossible to have any meaningful conversation/debate with you my friend, in fact its a total waste of time

 

[IR-TR]

Ahahahah.....no surprise coming from you. U.S/west evil countries bla bla. .lol. So you think even if Abe finally decided to attend the celebrations, it will change anything about Japan's alliance with the U.S or Japan trying to keep its leading position in Asia? Lool Japan trying to counter balance China's rise is nothng but nornal, as it has been the case for centuries with established powers always trying to keep their leading position when faced with a potential upcomng one who might pose a threat to their position and change the status quo(ever wondered why Japan refused to join AIIB?) coupled with historical issues and island dispute it makes it even more toxic

The problem with you my friend is that you dont even care to understand how geopolitics works, you are too emotional and tend to see things in the way you wish it should be. just because you hate the west to the core despite immigrating here to live a bettter life, doesnt means you should not be impartial/pragmatic enough to be able to say things the way they are.

Reason its difficult to have any meaningful conversation/debate with you my friend.

My dear friend, Japan has NO leading role in Asia, get that through that thick English skull of yours. Japan is dispised by most nations in Asia (right or wrong). It needs to become ASIAN again, that means integrating with the rest, and not be a pawn and a victim of occupation. If that hurts your anglo saxon arse, then be it.

And no, Japan won't magically change overnight, but the wheels can be set in motion, like Korea has (regarding US dependency through thick and thin).

Japan 'refused' to join the AIIB because the US forced them too. Just like they forced you, but this child (UK) is allowed a rebellion every now and then against its master.

Finally about Japan: there is no containing China, there is no balancing China. China is just too big and is going to become even bigger. The only thing these lapdog actions of Japan will lead to is it's increasing isolation in the region, and a further economic decline. How's that for emotional fanboyism?

 

[XiaoYaoZi Backup]

My dear friend, Japan has NO leading role in Asia, get that through that thick English skull of yours. Japan is dispised by most nations in Asia (right or wrong). It needs to become ASIAN again, that means integrating with the rest, and not be a pawn and a victim of occupation. If that hurts your anglo saxon arse, then be it.

You ignored the Japanese's thinking. You said Japan has no leading role in Asia, but Japanese don't think so. As I said before, it is very hard to persuade Japanese to accept the bloody fact, and they are more willing to live in fantasy. The reason that the historical issue, island dispute and even SCS issue arose again is not only because of the need of US's countering the rise of China, but also because of the same need of Japanese own, so US loosen the dog chain slightly(Abe can push for constitutional revision smoothly, rather than be kicked down by US). The way to counter China is right the result Japanese choose by themselves, rather than the result imposed by US.

And no, Japan won't magically change overnight, but the wheels can be set in motion, like Korea has (regarding US dependency through thick and thin).

The dog chain will always be in the hands of US, loosening or tightening is absolutely depending on the Interest of US, and US will never release it casually.

Japan 'refused' to join the AIIB because the US forced them too. Just like they forced you, but this child (UK) is allowed a rebellion every now and then against its master.

Also the Japanese own selection. Even after that Japan set a special fund of 100 billion dollars to counter the AIIB.

Finally about Japan: there is no containing China, there is no balancing China. China is just too big and is going to become even bigger. The only thing these lapdog actions of Japan will lead to is it's increasing isolation in the region, and a further economic decline. How's that for emotional fanboyism?

I don't think Japanese detest to be the puppet of US, and, seemly, they enjoy that. Because that give them the strong support to counter the rise of China. Meanwhile in common Japanese mind, Japan is perfect, but US is better.
In all things, Japanese' motivation to counter China initiatively can be seen very obviously.

 

[mike2000 is back]

You ignored the Japanese's thinking. You said Japan has no leading role in Asia, but Japanese don't think so. As I said before, it is very hard for Japanese to accept the bloody fact. The reason that the historical issue, island dispute and even SCS issue arose again is not only because of the need of US's countering the rise of China, but also because of the same need of Japanese own, so US loosen the dog chain slightly(Abe can push for constitutional revision smoothly, rather than be kicked down by US). The way to counter China is right the result Japanese choose by themselves, rather than the result imposed by US.


The dog chain will always be in the hands of US, loosening or tightening is absolutely depending on the Interest of US, and US will never release casually.

Also the Japanese own selection. Even after that Japan set a special fund of 100 billion dollars to counter the AIIB.

I don't think Japanese detest to be the puppet of US, and, seemly, they enjoy that. Because that give them the strong support to counter the rise of China.
In all things, Japanese' motivation to counter China initiatively can be seen very obviously.

Why are you even debating/trying to talk some sense to that Iranian immigrant my friend? Don't waste your time he wont listen. To him every thing every country does is because of the U.S .lool. So if you think you can convince him that Japan has its own interests and reason for keeping its status in Asia then im afraid you are fooling youself he wont listen.
Just like you cant ever convince his delusional mullahs that the U.S is not out there to get them .

I'm even surprise he and his parents ran away from his country when his mullahs took power and impose an islamic state, i would have expected them to stay put and enjoy the joys of the ummah, instead they opted to run away to the Evil west. You will expect them to run away to KSA,UAE,Turkey, Pakistan, or any other holy islamic country, not the evil infidel immoral imperialistic west.

 

[Aepsilons]

There are no medicines to heal the bad effect of regret, time will tell all next tens of years

Psychodynamic psychotherapy , Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and even Psychoanalytic Psychotherapy can help in this aspect.

The production capability of China's automobiles is over 50 millions per year in 2015. China's domestic demand is your figure about 23 million per year, the global demand is about 80 millions per year. The Chinese domestic production capability of automobile is surplus seriously. The car makers will face an unprecedented fierce competition, after this round of competition China will survive a bunch of winners that will have very very powerful competitiveness.

No. You were proven incorrect, accept the correction, move on.

My dear friend, Japan has NO leading role in Asia, get that through that thick English skull of yours. Japan is dispised by most nations in Asia (right or wrong). It needs to become ASIAN again, that means integrating with the rest, and not be a pawn and a victim of occupation. If that hurts your anglo saxon arse, then be it.

Not true; everyone in Asia enjoys a great relationship with Japan. There are only threecountries that have hostile diplomatic positions towards Japan, both of these are in Northeast Asia: China and South Kore and North Korea.

The rest of Asia , and the World enjoy a great relationship and positivist rapport with Japan.

 

[XiaoYaoZi Backup]

Why are you even debating/trying to talk some sense to that Iranian immigrant my friend? Don't waste your time he wont listen. To him every thing every country does is because of the U.S .lool. So if you think you can convince him that Japan has its own interests and reason for keeping its status in Asia then im afraid you are fooling youself he wont listen.
Just like you cant ever convince his delusional mullahs that the U.S is not out there to get them .

I'm even surprise he and his parents ran away from his country when his mullahs took power and impose an islamic state, i would have expected them to stay put and enjoy the joys of the ummah, instead they opted to run away to the Evil west. You will expect them to run away to KSA,UAE,Turkey, Pakistan, or any other holy islamic country, not the evil infidel immoral imperialistic west.

He is just overrating the IQ of Japanese politicians and underrating the IQ of US too much.
@IR-TR you see even the "rational" Japanese PDF member Nihon** has been delusional and unwilling to face the bloody fact.

 

[Aepsilons]

I'm even surprise he and his parents ran away from his country when his mullahs took power and impose an islamic state, i would have expected them to stay put and enjoy the joys of the ummah, instead they opted to run away to the Evil west. You will expect them to run away to KSA,UAE,Turkey, Pakistan, or any other holy islamic country, not the evil infidel immoral imperialistic west.

There is no 'good guy' or 'bad guy' , ' good vs evil ' in regards to diplomacy and geopolitics. I think the issue comes about when people , or governments of certain nations dramatize issues and influence their citizens in such a way that they become emotional. We're seeing a lot of that 'emotionality' in certain countries in Asia, as well as even in Europe, the Americas and Africa.

The sheeple, of course, will play into the propaganda without researching the issues at hand. Objectivity, afterall, is not the forte of some people. Some are ingrained to believe what they are told, unfortunately.

 

[IR-TR]

Psychodynamic psychotherapy , Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and even Psychoanalytic Psychotherapy can help in this aspect.



No. You were proven incorrect, accept the correction, move on.



Not true; everyone in Asia enjoys a great relationship with Japan. There are only threecountries that have hostile diplomatic positions towards Japan, both of these are in Northeast Asia: China and South Kore and North Korea.

The rest of Asia , and the World enjoy a great relationship and positivist rapport with Japan.

I certainly hope so. The people don't like it though, since Japan took over about every single country east of India/Bangladesh. Anyway, I'm looking forward toward Asian integration.

Why are you even debating/trying to talk some sense to that Iranian immigrant my friend? Don't waste your time he wont listen. To him every thing every country does is because of the U.S .lool. So if you think you can convince him that Japan has its own interests and reason for keeping its status in Asia then im afraid you are fooling youself he wont listen.
Just like you cant ever convince his delusional mullahs that the U.S is not out there to get them .

I'm even surprise he and his parents ran away from his country when his mullahs took power and impose an islamic state, i would have expected them to stay put and enjoy the joys of the ummah, instead they opted to run away to the Evil west. You will expect them to run away to KSA,UAE,Turkey, Pakistan, or any other holy islamic country, not the evil infidel immoral imperialistic west.

Mike, classic Englishman with an inferiority complex. Listen fool, everybody on this thread knows the tensions in East Asia arise because the US wants to 'contain' China, an exercise in futility. Sure, China and some smaller countries quabble about a couple of islands, but it's the US that's pushing unfavourable trade agreements, bases missiles in countries against China, has troops near China and is pushing many countries to counter China. Japan knows it can do F all against China, and China is already more powerful than them and only growing. So if it wasn't for US pressure, I'm sure Japan would be a lot more approachable.

Why do you keep bringing up my ancestry? Fatso.

 

[xunzi]

The question everyone in here needs to ask is why is Japan so scare of the US? When you understand that question, then yyou can answer why they are doing the thing they did. The US has an extensive leash on Japan for over 70 years. It is not easy to kick the US out without suffering huge economic, military, and political consequence. Asks Osama bin Ladin, Hussein, and Bashar al-Assad what it's like to betray the US's leash system.

 

[Economic superpower]

Japan is a country getting weaker with each passing year.

Japan still thinks it's still the most powerful Asian country

First they must get an independent foreign policy if they want to be a leader. You can't be dancing to the tune of a non-Asian country and pretend to be the leader in Asia.

China is the most powerful Asian country.....and getting stronger with each passing year.

I certainly hope so. The people don't like it though, since Japan took over about every single country east of India/Bangladesh. Anyway, I'm looking forward toward Asian integration.



Mike, classic Englishman with an inferiority complex. Listen fool, everybody on this thread knows the tensions in East Asia arise because the US wants to 'contain' China, an exercise in futility. Sure, China and some smaller countries quabble about a couple of islands, but it's the US that's pushing unfavourable trade agreements, bases missiles in countries against China, has troops near China and is pushing many countries to counter China. Japan knows it can do F all against China, and China is already more powerful than them and only growing. So if it wasn't for US pressure, I'm sure Japan would be a lot more approachable.

Why do you keep bringing up my ancestry? Fatso.

Because the English guy cannot counter your excellent points so he resorts to insulting your race.

 

[Aepsilons]

Gents,

@IR-TR @mike2000 is back let get back to the topic. Don't entertain the trolls.

 

[mike2000 is back]

I certainly hope so. The people don't like it though, since Japan took over about every single country east of India/Bangladesh. Anyway, I'm looking forward toward Asian integration.



Mike, classic Englishman with an inferiority complex. Listen fool, everybody on this thread knows the tensions in East Asia arise because the US wants to 'contain' China, an exercise in futility. Sure, China and some smaller countries quabble about a couple of islands, but it's the US that's pushing unfavourable trade agreements, bases missiles in countries against China, has troops near China and is pushing many countries to counter China. Japan knows it can do F all against China, and China is already more powerful than them and only growing. So if it wasn't for US pressure, I'm sure Japan would be a lot more approachable.

Why do you keep bringing up my ancestry? Fatso.

Lool LMAO. Because as i said, its almost pointless having any meaningful debte with you. Have you noticed that every member here be it Japanese or Chinese disagree with your one sided views.?

Stop making fun of youself bro. As i said , until you stop viewing things from a "the U S is the cause of everything every country in the world does" (or wishing the were the way you want them to be) then i believe people here will start taking you seriously and we can all have a meaningful debate. Until then, carry on with your the WEST/U.S is behind all evil/issues between countries in the world.


Moreover, i dont take you seriously and i keep bringing up your satus because i knowmany hypocrites on here who act that way. How can we take somebody who ran way from his country which he keeps trying to convince us is holy/nice/saint and great to an evil western country? Its like me saying Russia or China are evil and wishing for its downfall and yet i immigrate there to live and enjoy my life there(helping the Russian/Chinese economy/governement) while at the same time using my keyboard every day and night to say how evil a country China and Russia are while publicly wishing for their downfall . What do you think Chinese and Russian members reactions here will be? The only iranian members herei take seriously and who have some credibility are people like @SOHEIL ,@Serpentine , @mohsen ,@ResurgentIran @kollang et al. Those are true/real iranian patriots. You need to learn from them. So far you are fooling nobody.