Ajmal Kasab is Pakistani

[roopesh]

Time for pakistan to really act and show it to India its against the terrors. India should stop discussing all these issues with USA and directly start working with pakistan. Both these countries should work togeather rather than infornt of US. Time for both countries to move on smoothly

 

[ajpirzada]

So the admission is not based on the evidence provided by India, but on the basis of their own "investigations".
Reading between the lines, this means that the diplomatic offensive by Delhi has paid off, and Pakistan has been arm-twisted into conceding this.



The dossier has been dubbed "mere propaganda" and "insufficient".

diplomatic offensive would have paid of if pakistan wouldnt have carried her own investigation and would have acted only according to wat indian investigation says. now if u wanna call this success of ur wateva offensive thats upto u.

the news about dossier which u r talkin about started from time of india. and its only bul**hit. pakistan has never said evidence provided by india is 'mere propaganda'. over here wat pak is calling mere propaganda is the statements ur leaders have been giving. just quoting words doesnt serve the purpose. u need to look into the context those words have been used in. at one instant the only word pak used for the evidence provided by india was it being 'insufficient'. and there is nothing wrong in sayin that. however pak have maintained that it is doing some serious investigation.

now u tell me one thing. on time of india there this news had 154 comments. what did this wrong news achieve???? hatred. and that also on the basis of a propaganda news. its these kind of news which frustrates us pakistanis and spread hatred amongst u indians.

read that news article again and see if pakistan has dubbed the evidence provided as mere prapoganda??? no we havent.
mere prapoganda = statements from the leader.
insufficient = evidence provided.
this journalist has only tried to show, by mixing two very different things, that pak is calling evidence provided as mere propganda

 

[roadrunner]

I'd go on TV claiming to be Atal Vajpayee's lost chiwawa if someone would pay me $100 million. Anyone?

 

[linkinpark]

If the dossier contains only transcripts of the alleged calls made to handlers etc. ( I am not certain what it contains) then it isn't credible evidence. If however the dossier contains intercepts and other related electronic evidence, it shoudl allow for voice analysis etc. to verify the identity of the handlers.

The credibility of the dossier from a prosecution standpoint depends upon what it contains.

Here is what the dossier contains.

For those who has not gone through the evidence, let me make your job easier by giving a gist of it in the order of clinching to circumstantial evidence.

1) GPS records of the sea route took by the terrorists where the co-ordinates show that they have travelled from Karachi to Mumbai.

2) Peshawar made guns obtained on all the terrorists killed and captured. One can go into the records of the gun sales to see who bought them.

3) The Yamaha motor engine found on the rubber dinghy used by terrorist to travel from the boat to the mumbai coast. the engine number indicates that it was imported by Pakistan from Japan. One can again go and look into the sales of this engine.

4) The excerpts of the phone calls between the terrorists and their masters in pakistan. The VOIP account used by these guys opened in Callphonex, an american VOIP company was done using a Western Union transaction account and the amount paid by a guy using Pakistani passport as the identification. The passport number has been provided. One can go and look into the details of this person based on the Passport information.

5) The e-mail sent in the name of 'Deccan Mujahideen' from an e-mail account which was opened using an IP address based in lahore, Pakistan. The IP address has been provided. One can again check into this who was using this IP address. There is also proof that another e-mail account opened by Zarrar Shah also used the same IP address.

6) Grenades (unexploded) recovered from the terrorists were made by a Pakistani franchise of Austrian based company. Again one can go into the details of the sales of these grenades.

7) And all the items recovered from the boat were all Pakistani-made.

And last but not least, the captured terrorist 'Kasab' confessed that he is a Pakistani and now confirmed by Govt. of Pakistan.


It is always difficult to gather this kind of evidence in any terror related incidents and one should keep this in mind. There is hard evidence as well as circumstantial evidence which I think is quite credible and Pakistani investigative agencies should pursue it to logical conclusion based on the evidence provided.

 

[linkinpark]

Just look at how many conflicting statements were made by Pakistani officials. It looks like they were not intended to accept Kasab as a Pakistani but had to do because of some leak and hence heads are rolling.

Pakistan owns Ajmal Kasab

By SHAIQ HUSSAIN submitted 1 hour 58 minutes ago

ISLAMABAD - Pakistan on Wednesday confirmed that Ajmal Kasab, the lone surviving terrorist involved in Mumbai attacks, is its citizen but not before hours long confusion generated by conflicting statements of top government officials regarding his identity.
The Foreign Office Spokesman, Muhammad Sadiq revealed to the media Wednesday evening that Kasab was a Pakistani citizen, it had been established by the investigating agencies, which had given their report to the Foreign Ministry.

Before the final word by Foreign Office on the identity of Kasab, the State Minister for Interior, Tasnim Ahmed Qureshi told different news channels and representatives of newspapers that he could say with authority that Kasab was not Pakistani citizen and the Mumbai attack was a drama staged by the Indians themselves.

Even, Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir told the CNN-IBN that as of now he could only say that Pakistan’s investigation was continuing and it could not be confirmed that Kasab was a Pakistani.

Pakistan owns Ajmal Kasab | Pakistan | News | Newspaper | Daily | English | Online

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Confirmation shows Pakistan sincere in probe’​

LAHORE: Islamabad’s acknowledgement that the lone surviving Mumbai gunman Ajmal Kasab is a Pakistani shows that it is sincere in probing the attacks, PML-Q Secretary General Mushahid Hussain said on Wednesday. Talking to a private TV channel, Hussain said US pressure was one of the reasons behind the Indian move to share its evidence with Pakistan, and that an agreement on the identity of Kasab would help defuse the tensions that India had heightened unnecessarily. “But the war of words will continue,” he said, “because Indian political parties have election campaigns on their hands.” daily times monitor

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

 

[roadrunner]

linkin,

I've been very patient.

But get it through your thick skull, Indian and Pakistani media talk a lot of pure SHYT.

This is not evidence, in any courtroom except the remotest pind in the subcontinent.

Here are some examples of how Indian news "confirms" stuff.

"Sherry Rehman, the Interior Minister of Pakistan, told a news agency in an SMS that Kasab is a Pakistani. Rehman also said Pakistan's investigation into the Mumbai attacks was continuing."

So apparently Sherry Rahman SMS'ed a news channel to confirm the identity of Kasab/Gupta. Well hell, I wonder if I could SMS an Indian or Pakistani news station, sign it off as "yours, darling Sherry", and claim Kasab is a Pakistani.

Pakistan has NOT admitted Kasab is a Pakistani (when Gilani admits it in a press conference then, yes).This is the urinations of Indian media (and those on its payroll in Pakistan).

Yours sincerely,

Sherry.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

It looks like they were not intended to accept Kasab as a Pakistani but had to do because of some leak and hence heads are rolling.

I disagree - not everything has to be a conspiracy theory.

India's belligerent attitude had made it almost impossible politically to offer any concessions without some sort of symbol of cooperation from India.

That symbol of cooperation arrived finally in the form of the evidence dossier, which though incomplete, is better than nothing.

There may indeed have been confusion amongst some members of the government who had not been informed by the GoP that the decision to announce Pakistan's conclusions on the identity of Kasab had been taken.

Perhaps the GoP was going to wait until India granted Pakistan a chance to interrogate Kasab, something Pakistan had been demanding since the beginning.

I don't think the idea here was to conceal Kasab's identity for malicious purposes, but to satisfy the voter base at home, already upset with India's accusations and attitude, that Pakistan had been able to see Indian evidence, interrogate Kasab, and then come to a final conclusion.

They got one of their two demands met I suppose, so its still better than nothing in the eyes of the Pakistani public.

 

[jeypore]

linkin,

I've been very patient.

But get it through your thick skull, Indian and Pakistani media talk a lot of pure SHYT.

This is not evidence, in any courtroom except the remotest pind in the subcontinent.

Here are some examples of how Indian news "confirms" stuff.

"Sherry Rehman, the Interior Minister of Pakistan, told a news agency in an SMS that Kasab is a Pakistani. Rehman also said Pakistan's investigation into the Mumbai attacks was continuing."

So apparently Sherry Rahman SMS'ed a news channel to confirm the identity of Kasab/Gupta. Well hell, I wonder if I could SMS an Indian or Pakistani news station, sign it off as "yours, darling Sherry", and claim Kasab is a Pakistani.

Pakistan has NOT admitted Kasab is a Pakistani (when Gilani admits it in a press conference then, yes).This is the urinations of Indian media (and those on its payroll in Pakistan).

Yours sincerely,

Sherry.

After Gilani, it will be from Zardari, After from Zardari, it will from the head of ISI's mounth, After from ISI's, the head of the Army, etc......

Two can play that game.

 

[roadrunner]

After Gilani, it will be from Zardari, After from Zardari, it will from the head of ISI's mounth, After from ISI's, the head of the Army, etc......

Two can play that game.

Actually Gillani has not said it.

Some Minister said it, and he sacked that minister.

Then Sherry Rahman apparently SMS Geo in her excitement, and forgot to do it through any official channels.

When Gilani calls it, I'll be happy and know it's true.

It doesn't make any difference to me. But I do know one thing. Indian (and Pakistani) media are shamelessly corrupt.

Some Pakistani papers are undoutedly controlled by non Pakistani groups. Probably the MQM has some control over some. It's rich enough.

Therefore I rely on official statements, not SMS messages and alike.

 

[Jihad]

For all I know Sherry Rehman might've sent a SMS to Mr.Mukherjee asking him to be her boyfriend.
What kind of crap is this, did she really SMS a news station about the currend findings?

 

[jeypore]

Actually Gillani has not said it.

Some Minister said it, and he sacked that minister.

Then Sherry Rahman apparently SMS Geo in her excitement, and forgot to do it through any official channels.

When Gilani calls it, I'll be happy and know it's true.

It doesn't make any difference to me. But I do know one thing. Indian (and Pakistani) media are shamelessly corrupt.

Some Pakistani papers are undoutedly controlled by non Pakistani groups. Probably the MQM has some control over some. It's rich enough.

Therefore I rely on official statements, not SMS messages and alike.

Do you know Mr. Roadrunner, you are fighting a lossing battle know. Let me explain, Once Sherry Rahman and National Security Adviser Mahmud Ali Durrani said it, whatever fashion. Gilani will know have to defend there statements. There will be two options left for him, One is that they are both liers and that is why we fired them both, and the other is they are right, but did not follow the govermental or political party procedures.

 

[roadrunner]

Do you know Mr. Roadrunner, you are fighting a lossing battle know. Let me explain, Once Sherry Rahman and National Security Adviser Mahmud Ali Durrani said it, whatever fashion. Gilani will know have to defend there statements. There will be two options left for him, One is that they are both liers and that is why we fired them both, and the other is they are right, but did not follow the govermental or political party procedures.

This is the point.

Sherry Rahman did not say it. She used text SMS allegedly. Do I believe she'd use SMS to reveal this? No.

Now Durrani is a different case. He did not admit it. He said that Ajmal Kasab "could be" Pakistani. The news media translated this as an admission, and the Pakistani government responded by firing him. Therefore, what Durrani said is not the view of the Pakistani government.

Like I said, you get an official announcement from Gilani and you have my vote that Gupta is a Pakistani.

So far this has not been the case.

 

[jehangirhaider]

Here is what the dossier contains.

For those who has not gone through the evidence, let me make your job easier by giving a gist of it in the order of clinching to circumstantial evidence.

1) GPS records of the sea route took by the terrorists where the co-ordinates show that they have travelled from Karachi to Mumbai.

2) Peshawar made guns obtained on all the terrorists killed and captured. One can go into the records of the gun sales to see who bought them.

3) The Yamaha motor engine found on the rubber dinghy used by terrorist to travel from the boat to the mumbai coast. the engine number indicates that it was imported by Pakistan from Japan. One can again go and look into the sales of this engine.

4) The excerpts of the phone calls between the terrorists and their masters in pakistan. The VOIP account used by these guys opened in Callphonex, an american VOIP company was done using a Western Union transaction account and the amount paid by a guy using Pakistani passport as the identification. The passport number has been provided. One can go and look into the details of this person based on the Passport information.

5) The e-mail sent in the name of 'Deccan Mujahideen' from an e-mail account which was opened using an IP address based in lahore, Pakistan. The IP address has been provided. One can again check into this who was using this IP address. There is also proof that another e-mail account opened by Zarrar Shah also used the same IP address.

6) Grenades (unexploded) recovered from the terrorists were made by a Pakistani franchise of Austrian based company. Again one can go into the details of the sales of these grenades.

7) And all the items recovered from the boat were all Pakistani-made.

And last but not least, the captured terrorist 'Kasab' confessed that he is a Pakistani and now confirmed by Govt. of Pakistan.


It is always difficult to gather this kind of evidence in any terror related incidents and one should keep this in mind. There is hard evidence as well as circumstantial evidence which I think is quite credible and Pakistani investigative agencies should pursue it to logical conclusion based on the evidence provided.

Ok so he and his planners were so idiots that for such well planned attack they were going with Pakistani stuff like milkpak,Pakistani shaving cream .
Come on Indian members do you believe this.
All evidences are totally nonsense, nothing else

I accept he is Pakistani.but he was used

See my Post no 53 ,you will understand how he was used in attack

 

[linkinpark]

Ok so he and his planners were so idiots that for such well planned attack they were going with Pakistani stuff like milkpak,Pakistani shaving cream .
Come on Indian members do you believe this.
All evidences are totally nonsense, nothing else

I accept he is Pakistani.but he was used

See my Post no 53 ,you will understand how he was used in attack

Of course the planners were idiots and so are terrorists who in hurry has left behind a lot of hard and circumstantial evidence. How do you know the evidence is nonsense even before doing any further investigation.

Before you said kasab being a Pakistani is nonsense and now you accept he is a Pakistani. And now you say evidence is nonsense and then you have to swallow thw humble pie just like you did for the statements regarding 'Kasab'. So, don't jump to conclusions and let investigations happen and we will know the truth.