Ajmal Kasab is Pakistani

[batmannow]

Not to change the tread, but the next biggest issue for the Pakistanie establishment is to agree on what Kasab has said. That from trainning to planning the operation was done by certain entities, and the pakistanie gov't and military should start to arrest and dismatle those entities. Would not that be fair on Pakistanie side and would show the world that Pakistan is really commited to fighting terrorism hand in hand with the world.

jeypore;sir
"the next biggest issue for the Pakistanie establishment is to agree on what Kasab has said. That from trainning to planning the operation was done by certain entities, and the pakistanie gov't and military should start to arrest and dismatle those entities".

what do you mean by that, does it means that GOP should accept the view of CIA & RAW, that it was some , ISI people who trained these terrorists?
so pakistan should take some action against them?

again & again, same point with some different headings!
ISI is devil, pakarmy is the supporter of terrorists!

 

[Stumper]

All this acrimony could have been avoided had the GoI and Indian media acted a bit more responsibly.

AM: Both , GOI and Media, gave just what the people wanted to hear. Pakistan. Ofcourse our intelligence warned, ofcourse our police was alert, ofcourse we know who did it. Its plain simple you stupid. Its the usual suspect.."Pakistan" ... In the madness , sensible voices were lost, this sensible voices who asked government "Thats the answer you gave us for last 20 years and i no more belive you"

 

[jeypore]

jeypore;sir
"the next biggest issue for the Pakistanie establishment is to agree on what Kasab has said. That from trainning to planning the operation was done by certain entities, and the pakistanie gov't and military should start to arrest and dismatle those entities".

what do you mean by that, does it means that GOP should accept the view of CIA & RAW, that it was some , ISI people who trained these terrorists?
so pakistan should take some action against them?

again & again, same point with some different headings!
ISI is devil, pakarmy is the supporter of terrorists!

What is harm to know the full picture behind the attack. If RAW or CIA was involved then the evidence should be shown, then the burden would lie on India and United States, isn't it. Likewise, if there were rogue elimantes in ISI, wouldn't that burden lie to Pakistan. It only makes sense what the terrorist intentions were because remember these terrorist in a interview over the phone where blaming India from Kashmire issue to destorying the pirate ship.

 

[Goodperson]

Did India just not give us the evidence yesterday? So what evidence are you talking about? Pleaas read my reply to Stealth on the difference between verifying Kasab's identity and the evidence as it relates to prosecuting JuD and LeT leaders captured.

Yes India shared evidence when investigations were done till the stage where it could be shared plus it had to be fool proof and shared with others, India did say US had more technical proofs about Pakistani contacts. Do you think India gained support overnight to get JUD banned?

Un-cooperativeness indeed - did India involve Pakistan in any part of the investigation? No

Because Pakistan was in state of Denial and none of the Pakistani citizens were harmed. But other countries whose citizens were harmed were involved.

Did India share any evidence with Pakistan to help investigations? No.

Because Pakistan was in state of Denial and none of the Pakistani citizens were harmed. But other countries whose citizens were harmed were involved.

Did India even agree in principle to form a joint investigation? NO

Because Pakistan was in state of Denial and none of the Pakistani citizens were harmed. But other countries whose citizens were harmed were involved.

Did India share any information at all through official channels until yesterday related to the Mumbai attacks? No.

Because Pakistan was in state of Denial and none of the Pakistani citizens were harmed. But other countries whose citizens were harmed were involved.

Did India, despite sharing no evidence, continuously make demands of this and that through the media and threaten war with statements like 'all options are on the table'? Yes.

Other nations were convinced and only Pakistan was in state of Denial it rejected the evidence within 24 hours.

From all of the above, there is no conclusion that can be reached except that India was steadfastly uncooperative and belligerent towards Pakistan.

Why not if Pakistani terrorist can come and attack Major Financial nerve center of India.

I challenge you to show me one area that India cooperated with Pakistan, in the aftermath of the Mumbai attacks.

It showed Live evidence of Pakistani terrorist in action.
It allowed Pakistani terrorist to approach Pakistan for counsellar access.
JUD getting banned.

Goodperson - you are denying the facts even when they are staring you in the face.

Truth is on whose face ? I am glad at least is started to be accepted.

FACT: India's own evidence dossier clearly states that no institutional Pakistani involvement was found in the attacks.

Dossier did not say explicitly because India new Pakistan was in state of Denial it waited for expected response.

FACT: MMS and PM say that Pakistani institutions or officials were involved on the basis of speculation.

Manmohan Singh does not speculate he speaks about facts India has proofs. Do you think US and UK are towing India's line ignoring US's MNNA ally ?

Unless you can reconcile the two facts above, MMS and PM are indeed lying through their teeth in a mouth full of cow dung.

How about Zardari and Gillani spitting out Pig - Edit.

 

[Stumper]

Nope Pakistan was in state of Denial even after receiving the evidence India's play of putting international pressure and US envoys visit to Pakistan and FBI's presence in Faridkot recently nailed the lie. What happened to Pakistan NABARD records?

GP: Can u provide the link where pakistan has outright denied the evidence. GOP has stated the evidence are not conclusive. They also said they are looking deep in one set of proof. No where did they say "This evidence is not acceptable".

Un coperativeness ? Pakistan is in state of denial whole world except Pakistan agrees that the terrorist were from Pakistan. Pakistan had the leads terrorist names information were provided to Media.

Whole world? So this Whole world has so far said "Pakistan needs to co-operate with the GOI in the investigation" Which GOP has agreed to.

What else india could do it also has to address domestic fury.

So? that does not give our government any right to accuse without proof!

He knows what he is talking. Truths are difficult to hide, Nawaz was forced to hide facts

Do you want me to post quotes from Mayawati/Laloo Prasad/etc? Do you think it matters what this guys say? .. so its the same with Shariff!

For those indian's accusing pakistani's of being in state of denial, well guys arent we being hypocrite here?. Asking for proof is Simple. We do it when a sikh guy cries about operation blue star. We do it when a christian cries about Orissa. We do it when a muslim cries about Godhra.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

GP:

You have not answered one single question I asked, and instead just continued ranting about 'state of denial'. Essentially, you have agreed that India did not cooperate on any issue with Pakistan on an official level, and only engaged in belligerence and media statements.

The only 'denial' here is from people like you who have facts staring them in the face.

This was your answer to me:

It showed Live evidence of Pakistani terrorist in action.
It allowed Pakistani terrorist to approach Pakistan for counsellar access.
JUD getting banned.

Indian media telecasting events on the airwaves is not evidence being shared through official channels with Pakistan, nor is it cooperation with Pakistan.

Asking Pakistan to provide Consular access indicates that India wants Pakistan to accept Kasab's identity based on her say so, whereas Pakistan's demand was access for interrogations to further pursue the investigation related to his identity - again, no cooperation from India.

JuD's banning was not done by cooperating with Pakistan - Pakistan did that when the UN declared it a banned organization, not because of anything India shared with Pakistan. Again no-cooperation.

I am going to repeat the last part of my post for you, to give you another chance to explain the contradictions between MMS and PM's statements, and the evidence India herself compiled:

FACT: India's own evidence dossier clearly states that no institutional Pakistani involvement was found in the attacks.

FACT: MMS and PM say that Pakistani institutions or officials were involved on the basis of speculation.

Unless you can reconcile the two facts above, MMS and PM are indeed lying through their teeth. EDITED

Reconcile the above two facts please - India's own evidence contradicts MMS's statement. So he is either lying, or he didn't bother to look at his own evidence.

 

[zeeshuisb]

see what is hamid mir saying about durrani on geotv

 

[Awesome]

There will be a U-turn tomorrow... They already fired Durrani for issuing this statement

Apparently Zardari wanted to issue this statement while Gillani didn't. Gillani fired Durrani without any consultation... Sherry is too big to be touched like this.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Thank you stumper,

As Pakistanis, most of us want the perpetrators brought to justice. Some Pakistanis have even apologized, though I thought that was unnecessary.

The only thing that we have demanded is that Pakistan be respected, and a process followed, and jingoism, threats ad demands be curtailed in favor of cooperation and engagement.

Instead, we have seen MMS and PM ratchet the rhetoric up a notch, by resorting to the 'institutions in Pakistan were involved' canard, despite their own evidence negating it.

I understand that with elections coming up, the politicians are out to get votes, but this behavior in the Indo-Pak context is leaving some pretty deep wounds and creating animosity and distrust that will take a long time to overcome.

 

[jeypore]

There will be a U-turn tomorrow... They already fired Durrani for issuing this statement

Apparently Zardari wanted to issue this statement while Gillani didn't. Gillani fired Durrani without any consultation... Sherry is too big to be touched like this.

One wonders who is ruling the country, such a confusion and childesh i would say. That zardari wanted to do it, but people surrounding him could not hold it in there stomach.

 

[Prodigy17]

From this admission by Pakistan, one thing is very clear that Pakistan is not in a state of denial. Although, the situation is still murky to say the least with the sacking of Durrani. But, Pakistan has proved, what it had been saying all along i-e GOI should provide proof and should resort to joint investigation with Pakistan. But the intransigence of indians in this regard was really surprising. Till the time, proof was not provided about Ajmal being a Pakistani citizen, it was right of Pakistani's to defend that Ajmal was not Pakistani because there was a media trial going on in indian media and no official proof had come. While hindustanis claim to be a democracy, they must appreciate that even Ajmal will be called an alleged criminal untill convicted in a court of law.

Now, those who were saying that Pakistan was in a state of denial should hang their heads in shame alongwith those who said that there was no use providing proof to Pakistan because Pakistan will not take it seriously. All such people have lost their moral right now to comment that they were right in saying that kasab was Pakistani.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

There will be a U-turn tomorrow... They already fired Durrani for issuing this statement

Apparently Zardari wanted to issue this statement while Gillani didn't. Gillani fired Durrani without any consultation... Sherry is too big to be touched like this.

Why was Gillan opposed here?

If Kasab is indeed Pakistani, and India finally shared evidence to corroborate whatever Pakistani investigations into his identity brought up, then it shoudl have been announced.

I have to side with Zardari on the issue of confirming Kasab's identity - the longer we sat on it, the less sincere in tackling terrorism and solving the case we woudl seem

However, if Durrani did indeed issue any statement without consulting Gillani, the PM is within his rights to terminate him.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

see what is hamid mir saying about durrani on geotv

Could you post that in the Durrani thread please?

 

[batmannow]

There will be a U-turn tomorrow... They already fired Durrani for issuing this statement

Apparently Zardari wanted to issue this statement while Gillani didn't. Gillani fired Durrani without any consultation... Sherry is too big to be touched like this.

Asim Aquil; dear sir
with due respect!
i guss, angel's are with "Gillani ", & if angel's needed to remove "Sherry", belive it they will , no one can stay over the top forever!

 

[jeypore]

Till the time, proof was not provided about Ajmal being a Pakistani citizen, it was right of Pakistani's to defend that Ajmal was not Pakistani

I beg to differ, When the media did come up with information about Ajmal's town and parents, that was not even taken seriously. Infact the area was very well qurantine so noon should be questioned in the town. Why then some doubt would not fall upon some people, that dal mai chooch kala hai.