aircraft——J-10 vs F-22 (lol wat?)

[That Guy]

Can someone example to me what the **** is happening? xD

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

This video is really crack me up , I gave 10/10 for the guy did this great work

This moral of this video: you fight for oil, you fight for your position and you fight for air supremacy regardless if enemy is tough guy, Chinese people should have confidence on sky and believe on ourself.

 

[Wright]

Stupid, there i no way the KC-1 extender can fuel all those planes.

 

[That Guy]

Stupid, there i no way the KC-1 extender can fuel all those planes.

lol, really? That's what you got out of that xD

 

[tranquilium]

Nice video, it really cracked me up.

That aside, there is a bit truth with the scenario. Make no mistake, one on one, F-22 will typically slaughter J-10 since it is a generation ahead. However, the F-22s here are escorting something, which pretty much took away their biggest advantage---the stealth. At distance less than 18 kilometers, F-22's stealth does not really become a factor against J-10's radar. This leaves the F-22 vulnerable to maneuverable such as F-15 or J-10.

 

[That Guy]

Nice video, it really cracked me up.

That aside, there is a bit truth with the scenario. Make no mistake, one on one, F-22 will typically slaughter J-10 since it is a generation ahead. However, the F-22s here are escorting something, which pretty much took away their biggest advantage---the stealth. At distance less than 18 kilometers, F-22's stealth does not really become a factor against J-10's radar. This leaves the F-22 vulnerable to maneuverable such as F-15 or J-10.

True, the F-22 suffered greatly against German Eurofighters during air to air training exercises.

The Aviationist » Farnborough 2012: "Yesterday we had Raptor salad for lunch" Typhoon pilot said after dogfighting with the F-22 at Red Flag Alaska

Apparently, once the Germans had the F-22s in their sights, they quickly closed the gap and shot them out of the sky.

 

[Genesis]

True, the F-22 suffered greatly against German Eurofighters during air to air training exercises.

The Aviationist » Farnborough 2012: "Yesterday we had Raptor salad for lunch" Typhoon pilot said after dogfighting with the F-22 at Red Flag Alaska

Apparently, once the Germans had the F-22s in their sights, they quickly closed the gap and shot them out of the sky.

The Americans are relying heavily on stealth and radars as well as shooting down enemy before contact.

The American fighters are not really maneuverable as they are built to never engage in dog fights. As the F-22s and F-35s are really more of a bomber in the sense that they are the first wave of attack to destroy all ground air defenses to allow non stealth fighters to become a factor.

So if somehow the J-10s can actually engage the F-22s it is highly likely it'll have the advantage.

 

[gambit]

True, the F-22 suffered greatly against German Eurofighters during air to air training exercises.

The Aviationist » Farnborough 2012: "Yesterday we had Raptor salad for lunch" Typhoon pilot said after dogfighting with the F-22 at Red Flag Alaska

Apparently, once the Germans had the F-22s in their sights, they quickly closed the gap and shot them out of the sky.

This has been debated and debunked a long time ago.

 

[gambit]

Nice video, it really cracked me up.

That aside, there is a bit truth with the scenario. Make no mistake, one on one, F-22 will typically slaughter J-10 since it is a generation ahead. However, the F-22s here are escorting something, which pretty much took away their biggest advantage---the stealth. At distance less than 18 kilometers, F-22's stealth does not really become a factor against J-10's radar. This leaves the F-22 vulnerable to maneuverable such as F-15 or J-10.

Your no military experience continues to make you look foolish with posts like this.

These escorts are nothing like TV or movies where aircrafts fly so close to each other like in WW II. Back then, the only sensors they had were their own human eyes, limited to about 50 km with any degrees of accuracy and precision. The result: fly within visual and ID-able distance from each other to prevent fratricide over enemy territory.

That is not so today. May be your PLAAF with no combat experience fly the way WW II flyers do, but not American pilots. So here is your homework assignment: Take into consideration sensors like radar with detection range of hundreds of km, plus identification technology like electronic queries (IFF), and support these with dedicated airborne surveillance platform, see in an honest analysis if there is a need for modern day jet fighters need be within visual range of their charges.

 

[gambit]

The Americans are relying heavily on stealth and radars as well as shooting down enemy before contact.

The American fighters are not really maneuverable as they are built to never engage in dog fights. As the F-22s and F-35s are really more of a bomber in the sense that they are the first wave of attack to destroy all ground air defenses to allow non stealth fighters to become a factor.

So if somehow the J-10s can actually engage the F-22s it is highly likely it'll have the advantage.

Do you even understand the tripe you just posted, let alone believe it?

 

[livingdead]

Hey guys chill. Its a funny video, do not expect accuracy in it.. enjoy,.
chinese are creative people

 

[Genesis]

Do you even understand the tripe you just posted, let alone believe it?

from a history channel documentary on future of air combat.

Besides, it's not like I'm saying the J-10 is better, just the role is different.

A old musket may not fire as good as a gun today but in a melee combat situation, the longer musket will have the advantage.

 

[Manindra]

Holy crap

 

[That Guy]

This has been debated and debunked a long time ago.

Really? Mind sharing source?

The Americans are relying heavily on stealth and radars as well as shooting down enemy before contact.

The American fighters are not really maneuverable as they are built to never engage in dog fights. As the F-22s and F-35s are really more of a bomber in the sense that they are the first wave of attack to destroy all ground air defenses to allow non stealth fighters to become a factor.

So if somehow the J-10s can actually engage the F-22s it is highly likely it'll have the advantage.

The F-35 is meant as a strike fighter, and the F-22 is meant as a air superiority fighter, but you're right when you say that the F-22 and F-35 heavily rely on the stealth aspect of the planes.

 

[gambit]

Really? Mind sharing source?

You are behind the times as well as being ignorant. And I said that kindly.

Do you see that little dingleberry on the underside of the F-22? It is a device called a radar enhancer, designed upon the lens principle. Called 'luneberg lens'.

RCS Radar Cross Section, Lüneberg Reflector lensref - Luneburg radar

The Luneberg reflector gives an homogeneous response inside a wide angle. It is an ideal passive responder, perfect for highlighting, and eventually monitoring the radar target to which it is attached, with a high level of security.
The Luneberg lens is the most efficient passive radar reflector available.
The Luneberg reflector requires no power supply nor maintenance.

On the F-22, the device look like this...

The B-2, F-117, F-22, and F-35 routinely fly with enhancer to assist air traffic controllers and to mask their true RCS values, which are much lower without enhancers.

What this mean is that in that exercise, if enhanced F-22s flew against opponents, it it to train those opponents on what to expect when flying against true 'stealth' fighters versus 'normal' fighters.

You are too late to the game. This have been around for a long time.

The F-35 is meant as a strike fighter, and the F-22 is meant as a air superiority fighter, but you're right when you say that the F-22 and F-35 heavily rely on the stealth aspect of the planes.

Is that a bad thing?