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Air Superiority fighters comparision and requirement analysis.

The Boeing F-15E dual-role fighter is an advanced long-range interdiction fighter and tactical aircraft. The F-15E is the latest version of the Eagle, a Mach 2.5-class twin-engine fighter. More than 1,500 F-15s are in service worldwide with the US Air Force, US Air National Guard and the air forces of Israel, Japan and Saudi Arabia, including over 220 F-15E fighters.

The F-15E made its first flight in 1986. It is armed with air-to-air missiles that can be launched from beyond visual range, and has air-to-ground capability to penetrate hostile air and ground defences to deliver up to 24,000lb of precision ordnance. Since 2001, US Air Force F-15E aircraft have been almost exclusively used for close-air support.

In April 2001, Boeing received a contract for a further ten F-15E aircraft for the USAF, bringing the total to 227. The air force initially planned to purchase 392 F-15s. The first production model of the F-15E was delivered to the 405th Tactical Training Wing, Luke Air Force Base, Arizona, in April 1988. The 'Strike Eagle', as it was dubbed, received initial operational capability on 30 September 1989.

"The Boeing F-15E dual-role fighter is an advanced long-range interdiction fighter and tactical aircraft."Boeing is upgrading the programmable armament control set and software for the delivery of precision weapons like the joint direct attack munition (JDAM), joint stand-off weapon (JSOW) and the wind-corrected munition dispenser (WCMD).

The aircraft also have improved night vision capability and three new active-matrix liquid crystal displays.

In December 2005, the Government of Singapore placed an order for 12 F-15SG aircraft. Deliveries are scheduled for mid-2009 to 2012. In October 2007, Singapore ordered an additional 12 aircraft. The first F-15SG was rolled out in November 2008. Deliveries of F-15SGs are to begin in second quarter 2009 and continue till 2012.

In August 2008, the F-15E became the first fighter to fly powered by a blend of synthetic fuel and JP-8. The USAF intends to certify its entire fleet of aircraft for flight using the blended fuel by 2011.

F-15SE

In March 2009, Boeing unveiled the F-15 Silent Eagle (F-15SE) at St Louis, Missouri, USA.

"The F-15 Silent Eagle is designed to meet our international customers' anticipated need for cost-effective stealth technologies, as well as for large and diverse weapons payloads," said Boeing F-15 programme vice president, Mark Bass.

Using a modular design approach, the F-15SE possesses aerodynamic, avionic, and stealth features. Key elements of the F-15SE include aerodynamic improvements, RCS reductions, an internal weapons bay and advanced avionics enhancements.

Aerodynamic changes to the F-15SE will improve the aircraft's aerodynamic efficiency and fighter performance by reducing overall airframe weight and drag. The RCS reduction methods are applied to the airframe for frontal aspect stealth capability thus improving mission effectiveness.

The modular internal weapons bay contributes to the overall aircraft RCS reduction package while maintaining strike capability. The enhanced avionics include an integrated active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar and digital electronic warfare system (DEWS) that provides the pilot with greater situational awareness.

The internal carriage conformal fuel tanks (CFTs) can be quickly replaced by the large payload external carriage CFTs which are optimised for increased weapons load. The innovative Silent Eagle is a balanced, affordable design solution based on the combat-proven F-15 Eagle.

The new sophisticated F-15SE internal carriage capability minimises aircraft radar signature and significantly increases pilot tactical options. It is equipped with two internal bays designed for multiple carriage configurations.

"In March 2009, Boeing unveiled the F-15 Silent Eagle (F-15SE)."The F-15SE is capable of carrying electronic warfare, reconnaissance equipment, side-looking radar, and jamming equipment. The fighter plane's reconfigurable capability provides enhanced combat flexibility. It is adaptable with each application reconfigurable every 30 minutes.

The elite F-15SE signature reduction methods are applied to the airframe for frontal aspect stealth capability, which ensure greater survivability in the battlefield. The F-15 family has a combat record of 101 victories and zero losses. The US Air Force's F-15E has flown thousands of combat missions during worldwide combat operations.

F-15K
In April 2002, the Republic of Korea chose the F-15K as its next-generation fighter. 40 aircraft, to be known as the 'Slam Eagle', have been ordered. The first flight of the F-15K took place in March 2005 and deliveries began in October 2005. The F-15K entered operational service in July 2008 and deliveries concluded in October 2008. It was confirmed in April 2008 that 21 more will be ordered in 2010, the quantity includes an additional aircraft to replace one which crashed in 2006.

The South Korean Air Force received the last shipment of new F-15K fighter in October 2008 completing its decade-long project to procure 40 of the highly manoeuvrable aircraft. US aircraft manufacturer Boeing delivered F-15ks to the South Korea's 11th Fighter Wing in Daegu.

The F-15K is powered by General Electric F110-GE-129 engines and features a new electronic warfare suite including BAE Systems IEWS ALR-56C(V)1 radar warner, BAE Systems IDS ALE-47 countermeasures dispenser system and Northrop Grumman ALQ-135M radar jammer.

Lockheed Martin will provide the Tiger Eyes sensor suite with targeting pod (mid-wave staring array FLIR, laser and CCD TV), navigation pod (terrain following radar and mid-wave staring array FLIR) and long-range IRST (infrared search and track). Raytheon will supply the AN/APG-63(V)1 multi-mode radar. BAE Systems will provide the AN/APX-113 IFF (identification friend or foe) system. Data Link Solutions will supply the MIDS fighter datalink.

Kaiser Electronics will provide the cockpit display suite including: five flat panel colour displays (FPCD), four 6in multi-purpose displays (MPD) and wide field of view head-up display (HUD). The FCPD and MFD feature active matrix liquid crystal display (AMLCD) technology.

"More than 1,500 F-15s are in service worldwide."The Republic of Korea has ordered Raytheon AIM-120 AMRAAM and AIM-9X Sidewinder air-to-air missiles and Boeing SLAM-ER stand-off land attack missiles for the new aircraft. First flight of a SLAM-ER, which has a range of 278km (150nm), onboard an F-15E took place in February 2004. In 2010, the Republic of Korea Air Force also plans to procure AGM-158 joint air-to-surface stand-off missiles (JASSM).

Cockpit
While F-15A/C aircraft are single-crew aircraft, F-15B/D/E have a crew of two. The F-15E is crewed by the pilot and the weapon systems officer (WSO).

The WSO is equipped with two Sperry full-color and two Kaiser single-color cathode ray tubes. The WSO can access information from the radar, electronic warfare or infrared sensors, and monitor aircraft or weapons status and possible threats. The WSO also selects targets and navigates with the aid of a moving map display, produced by an AlliedSignal remote film strip reader.

The pilot's crew station features one full-colour and two single-colour cathode ray tubes. These are being upgraded to Rockwell Collins 5in Flat Panel Colour Displays using active matrix liquid crystal display (AMLCD) technology. A holographic wide-field-of-view head-up display (HUD) from Kaiser provides the pilot with flight and tactical information.

USAF F-15s are scheduled to receive the joint helmet-mounted cueing system (JHMCS) developed by Vision Systems International. A contract for 145 systems was placed in July 2008. Deliveries are underway and are scheduled to conclude in mid-2009.

Weapons
The F-15E aircraft can carry payloads up to 23,000lb. The aircraft can carry up to four Lockheed Martin / Raytheon AIM-9LM infrared-guided Sidewinder air-to-air missiles, up to four Raytheon AIM-7F/M radar-guided Sparrow air-to-air missiles, or eight Raytheon AMRAAM radar-guided, medium-range air-to-air missiles.

"The F-15E is crewed by the pilot and the WSO."Ranges for these missiles are: Sidewinder: 8km; Sparrow: 45km; and AMRAAM: 50km.

The range of air-to-ground ordnance includes guided GBU-10, -12, -15 and -24 bombs, and Raytheon AGM-65 Maverick infrared-guided missiles. Maverick's range is 25km.

The first units of GBU-15 glide bomb upgraded with Global Positioning System (GPS) guidance have been delivered for deployment on the F-15E. The Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) was cleared for carriage on the F-15E in February 2005. The aircraft will also be able to carry the Lockheed Martin AGM-158 joint air-to-aurface atand-off missile.

The F-15E is the first aircraft to be armed with the Boeing GBU-39 GPS-guided 113kg (250lb) small diameter bomb. Up to 12 bombs can be carried. The SDB entered Low-Rate Initial Production (LRIP) in April 2005 and achieved Initial Operating Capability (IOC) on the F-15E in September 2006.

The aircraft is also armed with an internal General Dynamics M-61A1 20mm Gatling gun installed in the right wing root, which can fire 4,000 or 6,000 shots a minute.

Targeting
The integrated avionics systems provide all-weather, around-the-clock navigation and targeting capability. The Raytheon APG-70 synthetic aperture radar displays high-quality images of ground targets. APG-70 is able to create and freeze the high-resolution ground maps during quick sweeps of the target area, lasting only seconds.

USAF F-15Es are being fitted with the upgraded Raytheon APG-63(V)3 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar which has a new transmitter, receiver, data processor and signal data converter. The first was delivered to Boeing for flight tests in September 2006.

The F-15E is fitted with the Lockheed Martin LANTIRN navigation and targeting system. The LANTIRN navigation pod contains a Forward-Looking Infrared (FLIR) sensor, which produces video images that are projected onto the pilot's HUD, and terrain-following radar. The LANTIRN system can be coupled to the flight control system for hands-off terrain, following at altitudes as low as 200ft. The LANTIRN targeting pod contains a tracking FLIR and laser designator.

After obtaining a radar image of the target area, the F-15E aircrew can designate targets by positioning a cursor on the radar display. The target data is transferred to the LANTIRN system for use by the tracking FLIR, which enables aiming of air-to-ground weapons from up to ten miles. Target tracking data is handed automatically to precision-guided weapons such as low-level laser-guided bombs, which can be guided to the target after release.

"The F-15E is equipped with an integrated internal electronic warfare suite."In August 2001, Lockheed Martin was selected to provide the Sniper XR as the new Advanced Targeting Pod for USAF F-16 and F-15E aircraft. Sniper XR (extended range) incorporates a high-resolution mid-wave FLIR, dual-mode laser, CCD TV, laser spot tracker and laser marker combined with advanced image processing algorithms.

Operational deployment of the Sniper pod on the F-15E began in January 2005, in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Countermeasures
The aircraft is equipped with an integrated internal electronic warfare suite, including: Lockheed Martin AN/ALR-56C radar warning receiver; Northrop Grumman AN/ALQ-135(V) radar jammer; and Raytheon AN/ALQ-128 EW warner. Northrop Grumman is upgrading the ALQ-135 to band 1.5 standard. It is also fitted with a BAE Systems Integrated Defense Solutions (formerly Tracor) AN/ALE-45 automatic chaff dispenser.

Flight control
The F15E is equipped with a triple-redundant BAE SYSTEMS Astronics flight control system. Using manual terrain following, navigation is possible over rough terrain at altitudes down to 200ft, at nearly 600mph, with the pilot following commands from the LANTIRN system. Automatic terrain following is accomplished through the flight control system linked to the LANTIRN navigation pod's terrain-following radar.

Engines
F-15Es are equipped with Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229 low-bypass turbofan engines, which provide 29,000lb of thrust per engine. Using the digital electronic engine control system, the pilot can accelerate from idle power to maximum afterburner within four seconds.


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Four F-15Es flying in close formation.

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F-15E in turn can pull up to 9G.

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The F-15E uses its dorsal airbrake, as opposed to a parachute braking system.

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The wind-corrected munitions dispenser for the sensor fused weapon provides precision area attack of heavy armour.

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The joint direct attack munition immediately after release.

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F-15E has a ferry range of more than 3,500 miles.

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F-15E's role is as a long-range interdiction and air superiority aircraft.

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The F-15E aircraft can carry payloads up to 23,000lb.

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More than 1,300 F-15s are in service worldwide.

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The F-15E has an additional cockpit station for the weapon systems officer, unlike the F-15C shown here.

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The latest version of the Sukhoi Su-35, Su-35BM (bolshaya modernizatsiya - big modernisation), is an advanced capability multirole air superiority fighter developed from the Su-27. The aircraft has high manoeuvrability (+9g) with a high angle of attack and is equipped with high-capability weapon systems that contribute to the new aircraft's exceptional dogfighting capability. The maximum level speed is 2,390km/h or Mach 2.25.

The Su-35BM was unveiled at the Aerosalon MAKS air show in Moscow in August 2007 and its first flight was in February 2008. The aircraft will enter service with the Russian Air Force in 2010-11 and Sukhoi has announced that the aircraft will be available for export deliveries in 2010-11.

The aircraft is being developed, tested and introduced into serial production by the Sukhoi Design Bureau, based in Moscow, and will be manufactured by KNAPPO of Komsomolsk-on-Amur. Both companies are part of the Sukhoi Aviation Holding Joint Stock Company.

"The Su-35 is being developed, tested and introduced into serial production by the Sukhoi Design Bureau."Su-35 cockpit
The cockpit has a central control column and is fitted with a Zvesda K-36D-3.5E zero-zero ejection seat which allows the pilot to eject at zero speed and at zero altitude.

The aircraft has a quadruplex, digital fly-by-wire control developed by the Avionika Moscow Research and Production Complex JSC (MNPK Avionika).

The cockpit is fitted with two 230mm×305mm high-resolution MFI-35 liquid crystal displays with a multifunction control panel and a IKSh-1M head up display with a wide 20°×30° field of view.

The pilot has two VHF/UHF encrypted radio communications systems and a jam-resistant military data link system between squadron aircraft and between the aircraft and ground control. The navigation system is based on a digital map display with a strapdown inertial navigation system and global positioning system.

Fighter construction
Compared to the Su-27 design from which it is derived, the front fuselage diameter of the Su-35 has been increased to accommodate the larger 900mm-diameter antenna of the Irbis-E radar.

High-strength, low-weight, composite materials have been used for non-structural items such as the radomes, nose wheel, door and leading-edge flaps. Some of the fuselage structures are of carbon fibre and aluminium lithium alloy.

Weapons
The aircraft has 12 hardpoints for carrying external weapons and stores.

Each wing has four hardpoints – one on the wingtip and three under-wing stations. There are two hardpoints on the underside of the fuselage on the centreline and one under each engine.

Missiles

The aircraft's air-to-air missiles can include the Vympel R-27 (Nato designation AA-10 Alamo), the Vympel radar-guided medium-range R-77 (AA-12 Adder) and the Vympel short-range infrared-guided R-73E (AA-11 Archer).

"The Su-35 multirole fighter can be armed with a range of guided bombs."The aircraft's air-to-surface missiles include the Molniya Kh-29 (AS-14 Kedge) tactical missiles, the Kh-31P (AS-17 Krypton) anti-radiation missiles and the long-range Kh-58UShE (AS-11 Kilter) anti-radiation missiles.

The Su-35 anti-ship missiles include Kh-31A, the long-range Kh-59MK (AS-18 Kazoo), the long-range Kalibr and the NPO Mashinostroenia heavy long-range Yakhont missile.

Ordnance

The Su-35 can be armed with a range of guided bombs, including the KAB-500Kr TV-guided bomb, KAB-500S-E satellite-guided bomb, LGB-250 laser-guided bomb, Kab-1500Kr TV-guided bomb and KAB-1500LG laser-guided bomb.

The aircraft can also be armed with 80mm, 122mm, 266mm and 420mm rockets.

Guns

The Gryazev-Shipunov 30mm GSh-30-1 gun is fitted in the starboard wing root with 150 rounds of ammunition.

Sensors

The X-band multimode phased array Irbis-E radar is supplied by Tikhomirov Scientific-Research Institute of Instrument Design (NIIP), based in Zhukovsky. Irbis-E is a high-performance radar designed for the Su-35 aircraft.

The 900mm passive phased array antenna is mounted on a hydraulic actuator for mechanical steering. The electronic steering provides azimuthal and elevation coverage of 60°. With both mechanical and electronic scanning the coverage is 120°.

The radar can detect low-observable and stealth aircraft, unmanned air vehicles and missiles with a radar cross section of 0.01m² at ranges to 90km. Radar modes include air-to-air, air-to-ground, air-to-sea, mapping, Doppler beam and synthetic aperture radar modes. It can detect and track up to 30 airborne targets with a radar cross section (RCS) of 3m² at ranges of 400km using track-while-scan mode.

Infrared search and track
The infrared search and track fire control system, OLS-35 IRST, includes an infrared sensor, laser rangefinder, target designator and television camera. The accuracy of the laser rangefinder is 5m CEP (circular error probability), to a maximum range of 20km against airborne targets and 30km against ground targets. The OLS-35 is a high-performance system with ±90° azimuthal and +60°/-15° elevation coverage.

"Irbis-E is a high-performance radar designed for the Su-35 aircraft."The system's acquisition range against a non-afterburning target is 50km forwards and 90km rearward. The Su-35 can also be fitted with a UOMZ Sapsan targeting and laser designation pod.

Su-35 countermeasures

The aircraft's electronic warfare suite includes a radar warning system, radar jammer, co-operative radar jamming system, missile approach warner, laser warner and chaff and flare dispenser.

Engines

The aircraft is powered by two Sturn / UFA AL-31F 117S turbofan engines with thrust-vectoring nozzle control, each supplying 86.3kN thrust or 142.2kN with afterburn. The engines were developed jointly by Sukhoi, Saturn and UMPO.

The total fuel capacity is 14,350l. In order to increase the unrefuelled range and endurance compared to earlier models the Su-35 incorporates additional tailfin and fin-root tanks. The fuel tanks are of aluminium lithium construction and are located in the wings, fuselage and in the square-tip twin tailfins. The unrefuelled range on internal fuel is 1,580km.

For in-flight refuelling the aircraft is equipped with a refuelling probe on the port side of the nose. Two external fuel tanks, type PTB-2000, provide an additional 4,000l of fuel. The ferry range with two external tanks is 4,500km.

Su-35 flight tests

Flight tests of the Su-35 began on 18 February 2008. Sukhoi expects to bring the number of flights up to 150-160, allowing it to finish static tests and start the super-manoeuvrability mode testing with the plane's thrust-vectoring engines.

Prototype crash

During high-speed ground tests in April 2009, the third prototype of the Su-35 programme crashed at Komsomolsk-on-Armur. The crash damaged the new NIIP Irbis-E radar set installed on Su-35.



one of the best and most deadliest air to air fighter jets ever made
 
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Well here is the new analysis of what a fighter should be and how can they be compared :
Air combat is a complex mix of art, science and engineering. Aircraft performance, weapons performance, networked sensors and pilot skill all contribute to the final Loss Exchange Ratio (LER). The only simplification is that aircraft approach, engage in combat and the survivors depart. This activity can be examined in a ‘kill-chain’ with the following stages: ‘Detect-Identify-Engage-Disengage-Destroy’ (DIED2).

Here is a scenario. In the ‘Blue’ corner, we have a flight of four F-35A JSFs, each armed with four AIM-120D Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles and the 25 mm GD ATP GAU-22/A cannon. No additional weapons or fuel are carried, because these would compromise the JSFs' “low observability” to X-Band radar. In the ‘Red’ corner, we have a flight of four Su-35S, each armed with four RVV-SD Active Radar Seeker BVR Missiles, four RVV-SD Infra-Red (IR) Seeker BVR missiles, two RVV-MD Within Visual Range (WVR) missiles, the 30mm GSh-301 cannon, KNIRTI SAP-518 jammers on the wingtips and a 6,000 litre conformal tank between the engines. Each aircraft has the full range of sensors and countermeasures.
Comparison of F-35 and SU-35,

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Can anyone comes up with a chart of Mig-21 bison or updated F-5 WITH TOP OF THE LINE FIGHTER?

SOURCE
 
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Well here is the new analysis of what a fighter should be and how can they be compared :


Here is a scenario. In the ‘Blue’ corner, we have a flight of four F-35A JSFs, each armed with four AIM-120D Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles and the 25 mm GD ATP GAU-22/A cannon. No additional weapons or fuel are carried, because these would compromise the JSFs' “low observability” to X-Band radar. In the ‘Red’ corner, we have a flight of four Su-35S, each armed with four RVV-SD Active Radar Seeker BVR Missiles, four RVV-SD Infra-Red (IR) Seeker BVR missiles, two RVV-MD Within Visual Range (WVR) missiles, the 30mm GSh-301 cannon, KNIRTI SAP-518 jammers on the wingtips and a 6,000 litre conformal tank between the engines. Each aircraft has the full range of sensors and countermeasures.
Comparison of F-35 and SU-35,

JSF-vs-Su-35S-ACM.png


Can anyone comes up with a chart of Mig-21 bison or updated F-5 WITH TOP OF THE LINE FIGHTER?

SOURCE

Why do you include Missile parameters in Aircraft comparison ?
 
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Why do you include Missile parameters in Aircraft comparison ?

First, see the source, it is comparative analysis.

Second, how much is a "fighter" frame worth and how much a Missile makes difference.

If Missiles contribution in victory is marginal, then fighter frame becomes all the more imortant.

On the other hand, the frame being marginal, do the all newcomers like typhoon, rafale is just me too, infront of a 30 year old frame like F-16 or even a Mig-21
 
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Dont you realize that the High Command of IAF just shot itself in the foot when they introduced AWACS in the subcontinent. Before the AWACS, we had no answer to MKI's superior PESA radar. But when the IAF signed a contract with the Israelis, we were able to make our case and sign the deal with the Swedes. Balance of Power :D

Actually, you don't see, that nearly all of the new procurements, or developments of Indian forces has simply nothing to do with Pakistan, but aims on China!
Just as you stated to some, IAF already has the radar, BVR and numerical advantage over PAF, so Phalcon AWACS wasn't needed. But to counter PLAAFs superiority with numbers of more capable fighters than PAF has + already inducted AWACS support was the real aim here. The fact that most new MKIs will be placed on eastern borders and all older Mig 29s was moved to western borders instead, shows once again where IAF sees the real threat and you just need to take a look at other procurements / developments and you see the same strategy!
 
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Hmmm...I think , in fact I believe SU-27 is better airframe than SU-30MKM/I/A, as far as air superiority is concerned.

Nice clean airframe, No canards, no unnecessary TVC and its associated weight, Better thrust to weight Looks pure hunting bird.

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Just the two seater config of SU-30MKM adds huge drag and curtail its inherent performance.

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What a piece of crap!!! SU-30MKI was developed from SU-27 for better agility and maneuverability along with TVC. Now he don't want TVC and better airframe just to have better thrust to weight!!! lol Its proven that TVC gives a fighter better maneuverability, angle of attack than normal engines. Thats why most of the fifth generation fighters have TVC including F-22 and PAK FA.
 
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Well here is the new analysis of what a fighter should be and how can they be compared :


Here is a scenario. In the ‘Blue’ corner, we have a flight of four F-35A JSFs, each armed with four AIM-120D Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles and the 25 mm GD ATP GAU-22/A cannon. No additional weapons or fuel are carried, because these would compromise the JSFs' “low observability” to X-Band radar. In the ‘Red’ corner, we have a flight of four Su-35S, each armed with four RVV-SD Active Radar Seeker BVR Missiles, four RVV-SD Infra-Red (IR) Seeker BVR missiles, two RVV-MD Within Visual Range (WVR) missiles, the 30mm GSh-301 cannon, KNIRTI SAP-518 jammers on the wingtips and a 6,000 litre conformal tank between the engines. Each aircraft has the full range of sensors and countermeasures.
Comparison of F-35 and SU-35,

JSF-vs-Su-35S-ACM.png


Can anyone comes up with a chart of Mig-21 bison or updated F-5 WITH TOP OF THE LINE FIGHTER?

SOURCE

oh yeah....another Ausairpower analysis:rofl:...Dr Kopp and his team will keep publishing this stuff in hope that after reading it someday, US president will lift sanctions on F-22 exports to Australia.:P
The most spectacular thing is that these "whatever...ahem...ahem" base their research on their previous research (you will find nothing new but sukhoi marketing information supplements and their previous work as source for new research in most of their "analysis")
 
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hmmmm-- some rumours going on nowadays.....:pop:

Russia's T50 tail totally unstealthy compared to US's F-22
That T50 engine is all exposed like the OLD SU-27. Nothing got changed.do u see the flaps on the tail of F-22, they are used to reduce the IR sig as well as for TVC.


T50 doesn't have any heat /IR reduction feature to cover it exhaust at all, still very much vulnerable to the heat seeking missile.T50 would still be very vulnerable to heat seeking missiles, The circular exhaust cone would increase RCS on the radar screen.
not sure if i can post the link - mods can delete it , if required

 
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hmmmm-- some rumours going on nowadays.....:pop:

Russia's T50 tail totally unstealthy compared to US's F-22

not sure if i can post the link - mods can delete it , if required

The answer for your query is on the same link you have posted. so no need for a reply.

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The answer for your query is on the same link you have posted. so no need for a reply.

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its an interesting thread for paf -- and perhaps our pilots/mods would be able to comment on it --

i dont trust keyboard warriors even on that forum
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Russia's T50 tail totally unstealthy compared to US's F-22
That T50 engine is all exposed like the OLD SU-27. Nothing got changed.do u see the flaps on the tail of F-22, they are used to reduce the IR sig as well as for TVC.

Whoever wrote that shyte has absolutely no idea about TVC, let alone radar LO!! Enuff said.
 
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Whoever wrote that shyte has absolutely no idea about TVC, let alone radar LO!! Enuff said.
he is not talking about TVC ma man.....the flaps on the tail of F-22 help to reduce IR signatures...I saw a video on discovery about F-22 where they explained it:coffee:
 
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he is not talking about TVC ma man.....the flaps on the tail of F-22 help to reduce IR signatures...I saw a video on discovery about F-22 where they explained it:coffee:

Yes, now it makes sense. But why compare a prototype with an already deployed fighter?

Those engines presently powering T-50 are not the final engines. Neither is the overall design the final one.

Secondly, both these fighters come from different schools of thought. T-50 is NOT a VLO platform but somewhere between VLO and LO design as opposed to the VLO F-22 design. Many of the stealth features, especially in the rear section were compromised for better alternatives (in the opinion of the designers).

And, the engine exhaust design on the F-22 is not the only design for TVC.
 
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Yes, now it makes sense. But why compare a prototype with an already deployed fighter?

Those engines presently powering T-50 are not the final engines. Neither is the overall design the final one.

Secondly, both these fighters come from different schools of thought. T-50 is NOT a VLO platform but somewhere between VLO and LO design as opposed to the VLO F-22 design. Many of the stealth features, especially in the rear section were compromised for better alternatives (in the opinion of the designers).

And, the engine exhaust design on the F-22 is not the only design for TVC.

Well as they say, you need to take a different path to get ahead,thats precisely what russians have always done.They are known for making planes which can counter its american rival. They never make similar aircrafts. And thats the reason for their success.

FGFA compromises on VLO to carry more ammunition, more powerful radar and greater range. But again all these are speculations.
 
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