Indeed, India has excellent radar coverage even without the Phalcons with their 3D Radars. The Phalcons just add an extra punch to India's Radar Coverage for low flying aircrafts. But if you look at Pakistan's radar coverage; even without the addition of the Erieyes and KJ200, Pakistan's radar coverage is top of the line. We have TPS77 and YL2 3D radars which are operational and can provide ample warning. I would say in terms of detection both countries are fairly even, but that being said PAF will be on the defensive side thus they have an advantage.
The radar coverage may or may not be even. We have some decent radars so have you. We Awacs , you have AWECS....so yeah as i said before there will no tactical surprise. Its calling calling up the PAF HQ and saying - 'Hey listen buddy , dont be offended but i am sending some MKI's your way. Try to stop them...and PAF responds --sure 'Try it out, we will see what happens'....Its that kind of situation we are in.... But humour apart --
IAF phalcons dont need to be offensive, they will be purely defensive and yet will have the capability to see in PAF airspace ; not all the way but maybe for most part.
IAF phalcons will only be offensive if a Air superiority is achived. -- If that is the case then you might see Phalcons pretty close to border or maybe even inside it.
Also each AWACS has its own escort fighters which it can vector to any threats.
FT2000
The report was referring specifically to the FT-2000, a Chinese anti-radiation surface-to-air missile system designed to counter electronic jamming aircraft, AWACS aircraft, and other air radiation wave targets.
The FT-2000 was designed to neutralize and counter these airborne jamming devices. It contains a passive radar target seeker programmed to detect the specific electromagnetic signals emanating from its target. Essentially, the FT-2000 uses its targets own jamming frequencies against it. In addition, the FT-2000 has a passive homing system that does not transmit electromagnetic waves, thus minimizing the chances that its enemies will detect it in time
The fabled FT 2k. Very interesting weapon. However it is not as fool proof as we think it is.
A passive radar seeker which targets specific electromagnetic signals -- Can be countered. A passive radar seeker can be fooled through chaff's/flares ---- Whenever a threat is looming on the horizon or if a missile is fired at it , the first thing that any AWACS would do is , 'switch of their radars'-- this reduces the so called electromagnetic waves on which FT homs in. Then simply deploy countermeasures , Jam and everything a aircraft is supposed to.
With regards to using its phalcon's own jamming frequencies against it - how will this be done ? A missile jamming an entire AWACS , which is loaded up with Jamming equipment ?
Chalo, if it is able to do that-- we are all forgetting the effect of green pine and swordfish radars -- which themselves cover upto 300KM of Pakistan airspace. These tightly coupled radars , will give ample warning to Awacs that a threat is on its way.
I have further questions on FT, as to how will a FT be triggered ? when will the operators know ? - Just curious, i guess it will triggered as soon as it is seen on erieye awacs screen.
The purpose is not to shoot down the Phalcons, the purpose for this system is to keep the enemy AWACS far away from our territory as possible. The advantage of this SAM is that it is Passive, to knock it out IAF will have to use reconnaissance and PGM's. That would be a lot of effort if you ask me to knock out just one SAM.
As i said above, Phalcons will never operate it your territory. Atleast till air superiority is achieved.
How is Passive sam exactly a advantage ? I cant understand -- please explain.
SEAD missions are especially to know out SAM's. -- There are ways to do this. IAF has dedicated aircrafts to do this.
Indeed, but i am quite certain that PAF fighters will intercept the incoming strike package before it can deliver the payload. I am also quite certain that PAF will also send in their strike packages to conduct SEAD missions to neutralize SAMS close to the border, after all the F16 is the King of SEAD missions
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This is where numerical superiority comes into play. Since AWACS is in pciture , you know that there are no surprises. So if IAF is undertaking SEAD mission , then either they will have quite a huge number of aircrafts OR once phalcon see's that there are bogies inbound , it will simply vector its own escort fighters towards threats. Enough for it to keep busy till IAF conducts SEAD missions.
Dont you realize that the High Command of IAF just shot itself in the foot when they introduced AWACS in the subcontinent. Before the AWACS, we had no answer to MKI's superior PESA radar. But when the IAF signed a contract with the Israelis, we were able to make our case and sign the deal with the Swedes. Balance of Power
True..but on a serious note--There has to be a way too fool awacs. I just dont know how.
No pilot goes out alone in combat, if the MKI defeats the missiles of the JF17 than i am sure his escort will take an aim. In todays warfare with all these countermeasures, i wouldnt be surpised the pilots of JF17 and MKI are engaging each other in WVR at the end. One really important factor that your discounting is the skill of the pilot, the more clever pilot is likely to shoot down the other first.
Escorts will be busy with their own problems. The thing is -- considering the huge payload of MKI, JF 17 will already be on defensive. It would have exhausted its missiles -- plus it would still have to face wave after wave missiles from MKI. In the end IMO , JF 17 will have huge problems in defending itself against MKI....F16 will definetly have better chance. But considering that F16 is a premium aircraft they would be used in a better mission i guess.
HOBS(High Off Bore Sight) Missiles. The pilot can engage the target seen on his HMS , means better chances of surviving and the pilot does not has to manuver his plane much. Although i am not sure, maybe somebody can clear it up but i think MKI has HOBS capability.
Another point i would like to raise regarding strikes inside the Indian Territory that deckingraj raised in the other thread. Keep in mind PAF does not has to cross the border to conduct strikes inside the Indian territory, they can launch their stand off weapons close to the border and let them do the job.
Ooops i didnt know the abbreviation HOBS... Yeah MKI has that ability , so has Mig 29. Adder coupled with HMS gives russian aircraft gives good advantage in that regard. You can read up on DACT excercises between polish and american airforces.
With regards to launch their stand off weapons close to border --- who will guide them , what will be their guidance. Give a scenario - and we can discuss further.
