Air Battle: What If an F-14 (That Iran Still Flies) Battled a Stealth F-22 Raptor?

[Nilgiri]

any time can eventually become a dull present

to be honest i shared this article not for people to fight over it but to share my love for tomcat


you know what's the worst part.they didn't let tomcat rest they crushed almost every single one of this magnificent beast.

Honestly sometime best to leave the best of it in the heart....rather than too many on display everywhere where silly kids and goons can get their hands on them with spray cans and bozo attitude. Have some around on display/museums, give good protection and honour to them etc...is way to go (as much as you can afford basically).

It is pity they chopped them up/crushed pretty severely in the AMARC boneyard...but that place is running out of space they say...I'm not sure who owns the land around it etc.

 

[Tokhme khar]

The IRIAF has over 200 kill claims on this F-14 platform alone! 90% of these with the Aim-7E and Aim-54A.

Nobody on this planet can match this record!

 

[Hellfire]

That arrogance cost the lives of thousands of American soldiers in countless illegal American invasions over the last 50 years.

Why, in your opinion, 'that arrogance' has crept in?

And can you point out to me any legal invasion of any sovereign nation by another nation? In any instance in the recorded history?

The IRIAF has over 200 kill claims on this F-14 platform alone! 90% of these with the Aim-7E and Aim-54A.

Nobody on this planet can match this record!

Can you source that?
All I could find was:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Iranian_aerial_victories_during_the_Iran–Iraq_war



Who did you kill? Targets?

I have 'claims' of over 3000 in F-14 Flight Simulator over the past decade too

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

Why, in your opinion, 'that arrogance' has crept in?

And can you point out to me any legal invasion of any sovereign nation by another nation? In any instance in the recorded history?

American exceptionalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

Power corrupts and the US has deluded itself to think everything it does is justified, even when they are breaking their own laws to fund contras in the Americas, using chemical weapons in huge quantities in Vietnam or massacring hundreds of thousands of citizens with WMDs in Japan, etc (the list of US crimes against humanity is virtually endless).

Military invasions are usually by nature illegal unless in self defence (although self-defence wars are not usually called 'invasions') or authorised by the UNSC. For the former, you could argue Israel's invasion into Egypt in 1973 qualifies as an 'invasion' in self-defence. For the latter, NATO's use of force in Libya was legal in that it was authorised by UNSCR 1973 (although the latter stages of NATO's operations in Libya clearly went beyond this legal mandate).

 

[gambit]

Q: What If an F-14 (That Iran Still Flies) Battled a Stealth F-22 Raptor?

The F-14 would be dead without the aircrew knowing they were targeted.

Simple as that.

 

[nahtanbob]

The US wasted $6 trillion+ of taxpayer money in their useless invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan post-9/11 attacks, two countries that had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks whilst 15 of the 19 terrorists were Saudi citizens (as was the mastermind - OBL).

Over 150,000 US soldiers are classed as at least 70% disabled as a result of those wars.

What did they achieve? They destroyed Iran's strongest rival and handed Iran huge influence in Iraq, now they are forced to negotiate with the Taliban after they failed to destroy them after all this time, and they spread mistrust and hatred of America throughout the region.

Thousands of survivable, accurate and potent BMs stored in underground bases and in silos + huge country with mountains and desert (as the Americans found out with Operation Eagle Claw) + mosaic doctrine + 80 million population + integrated air defence system + self-sufficient arms industry with no need for external spare parts (big problem in Iran-Iraq war) = US talks shit, but knows they can't do anything.

What choice did USA have with respect to Afghanistan ?
you can argue about Iraq war of 2003

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

What choice did USA have with respect to Afghanistan ?
you can argue about Iraq war of 2003

Well for starters, the US pissed off the Taliban in 1998 after they launched 70+ cruise missiles into Afghanistan after holding Afghanistan responsible for the embassy attacks without proving it first.

None of the 9/11 hijackers were from Afghanistan and Osama Bin Laden was in Pakistan, so the invasion of Afghanistan was pretty retarded any way you want to look at it.

Even the first Iraq war to liberate Kuwait was bullshit, they gave Saddam permission to invade Kuwait to secure the shatt al arab only to then change their minds.

 

[nahtanbob]

Well for starters, the US pissed off the Taliban in 1998 after they launched 70+ cruise missiles into Afghanistan after holding Afghanistan responsible for the embassy attacks without proving it first.

None of the 9/11 hijackers were from Afghanistan and Osama Bin Laden was in Pakistan, so the invasion of Afghanistan was pretty retarded any way you want to look at it.

Even the first Iraq war to liberate Kuwait was bullshit, they gave Saddam permission to invade Kuwait to secure the shatt al arab only to then change their minds.

Osama Bin Laden was in Afghanistan on 9/11 of 2001. the only reason he was caught in Pakistan he could not live in Afghanistan with American troops breathing down his neck. the only thing America did wrong about Afghanistan - they should have seized a land corridor to Afghanistan (out of Iranian or Pakistani soil). this is assuming Afghanistan matters which I think it does not. Of course the neo-cons had bigger fish to fry in Iraq. I wouldn't be surprised if Iraq emerges as a success 25 years from now and Afghanistan is treated as a failure.

 

[Hellfire]

Power corrupts and the US has deluded itself to think everything it does is justified, even when they are breaking their own laws to fund contras in the Americas

So, at the outset, you do concede they have the power, right?

Or more appropriately, they have the capability and ability to use their resources to project and wield power to promote their own interests?

How is it any different from Safavid Empire, as an example?

using chemical weapons in huge quantities in Vietnam

Defoliants. Just like any herbicide used in gardens today? Can you provide citation of any nerve/blistering agents that were used? Because, even your normal mortar HE round can be considered a Chemical Weapon.

or massacring hundreds of thousands of citizens with WMDs in Japan, etc (the list of US crimes against humanity is virtually endless).

A figure of 129 to 226 Thousand KIAs is listed for the casualties from the two instances of use of Nuclear Weapons in Japan.

The Bombing of Dresden between 13 to 15 February can be argued to be an instance where, had the bombing not been interspersed over the three days, could have led to an almost similar casualty figure. It still was estimated to be 25000, although actual figures can not be commented upon due to churn in population at the time.

Military invasions are usually by nature illegal unless in self defence (although self-defence wars are not usually called 'invasions') or authorised by the UNSC.

Invasions are always illegal if one is to go with your rationale. Even self defence shall, technically, limit you to merely opposing the forces that enter your territory, with no justification of crossing over into other's territory.

For the former, you could argue Israel's invasion into Egypt in 1973 qualifies as an 'invasion' in self-defence.

But 'illegal' nevertheless, no? Because your rationale remains of US & illegal based on premise that pursuance of national interest is illegal. If you extend the argument to 'at the cost of others', then a so called self defence invasion is also illegal.

For the latter, NATO's use of force in Libya was legal in that it was authorised by UNSCR 1973 (although the latter stages of NATO's operations in Libya clearly went beyond this legal mandate).

So now it becomes legal? Similarly, what are you views on use of force against Iran then? The statements coming out from Iran, at times, does give legitimacy of 'self defence' invasion by Israel, if your logic is followed.

 

[Avicenna]

You can argue whether the US is right or wrong about the things it does around the world.

But the reality is if the USN/USAF/USMC ever met the IRIAF, the IRIAF would be rendered ineffective in short order.

F-22 v F-14 would never happen.

 

[gambit]

That arrogance cost the lives of thousands of American soldiers in countless illegal American invasions over the last 50 years.

This has nothing to do with arrogance but with tactical and technical truths.

You can bet whatever annual salary you have that by now, ALL your air bases are mapped and your leadership knows it.

 

[Hellfire]

Well for starters, the US pissed off the Taliban in 1998 after they launched 70+ cruise missiles into Afghanistan after holding Afghanistan responsible for the embassy attacks without proving it first.

Interesting. What proof did you provide for the killing of Iranian Diplomats when you massed your troops against the Talibanis? Where was this rationale when you actually bombed the territory? So, did you 'prove' your case?

Hint: Admission of killing of diplomats was only later.

None of the 9/11 hijackers were from Afghanistan and Osama Bin Laden was in Pakistan, so the invasion of Afghanistan was pretty retarded any way you want to look at it.

So, OBL was in Pakistan when US invaded Afghanistan? Can you cite references for that? Because, to the contrary, lot of material exists.

Even the first Iraq war to liberate Kuwait was bullshit, they gave Saddam permission to invade Kuwait to secure the shatt al arab only to then change their minds.

Can you provide proof?

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

Osama Bin Laden was in Afghanistan on 9/11 of 2001. the only reason he was caught in Pakistan he could not live in Afghanistan with American troops breathing down his neck. the only thing America did wrong about Afghanistan - they should have seized a land corridor to Afghanistan (out of Iranian or Pakistani soil). this is assuming Afghanistan matters which I think it does not. Of course the neo-cons had bigger fish to fry in Iraq. I wouldn't be surprised if Iraq emerges as a success 25 years from now and Afghanistan is treated as a failure.

If the US hadn't attacked Afghanistan rashly in 1998 then the Taliban might have given OBL over to the US.

OBL was a Saudi citizen and the majority of the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, why not invade KSA instead of Afghanistan?

After spending trillions of dollars in Afghanistan and losing thousands of soldiers, now the US is forced to negotiate with the resurgent Taliban! Huge embarrassment and waste of resources.

(Not to even mention the US funded the mujahideen to fight against the Soviets only for them to give birth to the Taliban, a prime example of comedic US foreign policy.)

This has nothing to do with arrogance but with tactical and technical truths.

You can bet whatever annual salary you have that by now, ALL your air bases are mapped and your leadership knows it.

Keep yapping, if you guys could invade you'd have done it in 2012.

You morons don't have the appetite for war in Iraq or Afghanistan, let alone a country multiple times larger than both of them combined and with a national self-sufficient defence industry, horrific terrain (remember Operation Eagle Claw? Good times.), a culture of sacrifice and martyrdom etc.

In sum, keep yapping like your pal Bibi has been since 1992 about imaginary Iranian nukes that have given him nightmares for 25 years now.

 

[nahtanbob]

If the US hadn't attacked Afghanistan rashly in 1998 then the Taliban might have given OBL over to the US.

(Not to even mention the US funded the mujahideen to fight against the Soviets only for them to give birth to the Taliban, a prime example of comedic US foreign policy.)

you are speculating about 1998. the taliban was a bunch of puppets controlled by others.

USA had no choice but to respond to 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan

 

[gambit]

...if you guys could invade you'd have done it in 2012.

What make you think we need to 'invade' in order to render your military as impotent as a guy with ED?

When your air bases cannot launch because of cratered runways and destroyed hangars, what can you do?