Ahmadis in Pakistan

[Kompromat]

We are pretty much discussing by what means it can be stopped.

And what is the solution?

 

[sulemani keeda]

And what is the solution?

Parliament must repeal the ordinance which permits punishment to Ahmedis for calling themselves muslims.

 

[Spring Onion]

Parliament must repeal the ordinance which permits punishment to Ahmedis for calling themselves muslims.

Please quote the articles or the entire ordinance which calls for Punishments so that we can discuss further.

 

[Spring Onion]

Blackblood seems like perfect case of brainwashed creation of Zia's time, first of the so called Ahmadi Links you are providing are a separate Ahmadi group, I just saw on Wikipedia that they are the Lahore Ahmadiyya group which is separate from the main body, so them calling others kaffir and what not cannot be claimed to be the belief of all.

As for the other images you are posting and this urdu newspapers and books, do you know what kind of garbage is made up in these. Some are altered to suit the likings of these Islamic groups, I want proof from credible sources, not some clippings from sites which are ckearly run by Islamic parties and we all know they are biased in all their views.

Someone told me to only provide links to neutral sites, you should do the same. As for what they say or not, it should not matter to you, if a so called cleric in Saudi Arabia can ask for breast feeding in work places, it does not mean that we have to follow it.

Please go enjoy some milk and then come back with credible links and not those religious parties use to so read sectarian violence, I have read some of the most despicable things against other sects written in these papers.

We are discussing rights not religious belief of different groups.

There is no difference between Lahori and other qadianis both have same basic believes.


Both are negating the Kahtm-e-Nabowat.

 

[Kompromat]

Parliament must repeal the ordinance which permits punishment to Ahmedis for calling themselves muslims.

Ok Post that ordinance moreover tell us how abolishing such a law will stop violence against Qadiyanis ?

 

[khuramonline]

For jews .... early Christians were exactly alike what now Ahmedies are for Mainstream Muslims.

Early Christianity was a movement to purify Jew religion. Later on it emerged as a successful independent religion.

Early Ahmediyyat was also just an attempt to purify Islam. But as mainstream Islam has disowned them ... so now Ahmediyyat is emerging as an independent successful religion.

This new religion is strong enough that people from mainstream Muslims are adopting it.

Ahmediyyat is practicing a successful Khilafat system. Its people are sacrificing their lives etc. like early committed Muslims. We are living in an era where another future successful religion is in early phases of getting successes.

 

[Tomahawk]

Parliament must repeal the ordinance which permits punishment to Ahmedis for calling themselves muslims.

Anyone who does not accept Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) as last Prophet of ALLAH is not entitled to call himself a Muslim.

 

[sulemani keeda]

Please quote the articles or the entire ordinance which calls for Punishments so that we can discuss further.

IF YOU ALREADY DONT KNOW,

3.
Addition of new sections 298B and 298C, Act XLV of 1860.
In the Pakistan Penal Code (Act XLV of 1860), in Chapter XV, after section 298A, the following new sections shall be added, namely:
“298B. Misuse of epithets, descriptions and titles, etc., reserved for certain holy personages or places.
(1)
Any person of the Quadiani group or the Lahori group (who call themselves ‘Ahmadis’ or by any other name) who by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation;

d)refers to, or names, or calls, his place of worship as ‘Masjid’;
shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years and shall also be liable to fine.(2)

Any person of the Quadiani group or Lahori group (who call themselves Ahmadis or by any other name) who by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation, refers to the mode or form of call to prayers followed by his faith as ‘Azan’ or recites Azan as used by the Muslims, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years, and shall also be liable to fine.
(3)298

C. Person of Quadiani group etc., calling himself a Muslim or preaching or propagating his faith.Any person of the Quadiani group or the Lahori group (who call themselves ‘Ahmadis’ or by any other name), who, directly or indirectly, poses himself as Muslim, or calls, or refers to, his faith as Islam, or preaches or propagates his faith, or invites others to accept his faith, by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representations, or in any manner whatsoever outrages the religious feelings of Muslims, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years and shall also be liable to fine.”

 

[Kompromat]

For jews .... early Christians were exactly alike what now Ahmedies are for Mainstream Muslims.

Early Christianity was a movement to purify Jew religion. Later on it emerged as a successful independent religion.

Early Ahmediyyat was also just an attempt to purify Islam. But as mainstream Islam has disowned them ... so now Ahmediyyat is emerging as an independent successful religion.

This new religion is strong enough that people from mainstream Muslims are adopting it.

Ahmediyyat is practicing a successful Khilafat system. Its people are sacrificing their lives etc. like early committed Muslims. We are living in an era where another future successful religion is in early phases of getting successes.

 

[sulemani keeda]

Ok Post that ordinance moreover tell us how abolishing such a law will stop violence against Qadiyanis ?

It would stop discrimination and thats enough to start with.

And BTW, how has this ordinace helped in stoping violence like the ones in Lahore??

What does this law have to do with violence in first place?? You seem to be confused yourself. We are discussing basic human-rights issue.

 

[Kompromat]

It would stop discrimination and thats enough to start with.

And BTW, how has this ordinace helped in stoping violence like the ones in Lahore??

What does this law have to do with violence in first place?? You seem to be confused yourself. We are discussing basic human-rights issue.

You should educate yourself on the difference between interfaith Violence and Terrorism .

Allocating one right will take away another , the issue is religious and humanitarian.

 

[sulemani keeda]

You should educate yourself on the difference between interfaith Violence and Terrorism .

Allocating one right will take away another , the issue is religious and humanitarian.

^^^ Can you elaborate??

 

[Spring Onion]

IF YOU ALREADY DONT KNOW,

SO despite these articels mentioned in ordiance HOW these qadianis were having place of worship in Lahore and were also holding Friday prayer (Juma) when the terrorists attacked them????????


According to this ordinance the all praying qadianis would have been imprisoned right ???

But they were not. Rather they were holding prayers.


This also proves one thing that despite this ordinance there is no practical punishment from the State

 

[ajpirzada]

all the discrimination, torture, persecution etc against any minority must be condemned by all and at all cost. rather those who dont, they should be punished for lack of humanity.

but at the same time, i think a clear distinction must be made between religions in order to avoid confusion in the society especially when the line is so invisible. Its the duty of the govt of any islamic country. ill compare this to Hazrat Abu Bakr (RA)'s struggle against the false prophets who emerged after prophet muhammad (peace be on him)'s death. now the question comes to if we are islamic country or not? if we are then such distinction is right but if we are not then this matter does not come under State.

now coming to laws and persecution. well to be honest they both are not very linked. india is a secular country, yet we have seen many worse happening there. similarly we dont have any law promoting suicide bombing but still we experience one every now and then. its to do a lot with society. our ignorant segment of society will do wat it feels lik and is not bounded by law. until and unless we educate them, this will keep happening. yet no one talks about govts lack of concern about education sector.

another thing. where does the law allow anyone to attack minorities? no where. yet we do not act against such ppl. wat happened to those who attacked christians? did law protect them? no. well then y didnt we arrest them? lack of institutions and political will. this issue has to do nothing with being islamic or not as neither does the law give cover to such attackers nor does islam. but still we see no action.

ill conclude saying that though a clear distinction must be maintained where line is invisible to avoid confusion, but action should be taken against any who takes law into his own hand (isnt the punishment for such a person death? under islamic law). futhermore we should invest a lot more in education which we never do. fighting at islamic or non islamic is not the cause of the problem, but it is the ignorance of society which leads the nation towards darkness or prosperity.

 

[sulemani keeda]

SO despite these articels mentioned in ordiance HOW these qadianis were having place of worship in Lahore and were also holding Friday prayer (Juma) when the terrorists attacked them????????


According to this ordinance the all praying qadianis would have been imprisoned right ???

But they were not. Rather they were holding prayers.


This also proves one thing that despite this ordinance there is no practical punishment from the State

If all is so well then why do you need such laws in first place?? do you have any answer?

Having draconian laws just for sake of having it is radically absurd and foolish.