What's new

Aga Khan on Arabic as National Language of Pakistan

Status
Not open for further replies.
This is where the Arab imperialists come in to play. There are tons of madrassas where people can learn Arabic to understand advanced Quran the way they want it and this costs less money than going to Mcdonalds just for one meal . Why should everyone learn an alien language for official use ? These people want Arab to be the language of the world and in order to implement that they must conquer the world . This is where the Pan-Islamic jihadists show there teeth.

Another thing to ponder which is that Punjabi , Sindhi , Beluchi and Pashtu are no less of linguistic value than any language in the region . These are all Indo- European languages same as Farsi , Hindi , Russian , German, English etc etc .

Our illiterate population must learn English along with their mother tongue to compete with the modern world instead of taking Pakistan back to barbarian stone age.
 
I could not complete what I said yesterday. However the reason for supporting Persian is that it is a language spoken by our brethren in baluchistan and NWFP. It links us to Iran and Afghanistan. Secondly, to increase the richness of Urdu itself, persian has been used for centuries, and as a consequences, all the poets have a high content of persian in their Poetry.
What happened as a result of that decision was a sheer consequence of our leaders having been British trained and of that frame of mind. Essentially it is a safeguard valve which the gentiles of those times created around them to maintain their supremacy and therefore essentially set up the class divide that has afflicted us today. The irony of it is that it is based on education, and where you acquire it.
As a result of these changes we have lost our identiity. At least with the adoption of Hindi, the people of India have to a certain extent maintained their national identity. It could be debated whether we would have turned into second class arabs or Persians if we had persued the other course, but at least we would have had a cause to fight. We have instead chosen to immulate those whom we are in awe of and are blindly hurtling towards westernization without thinking of the consequences of such a move. This is a very worrying trend and the divide between the "elites" and the masses will lead to more deprivation and strife. We could hhave avoided this with a bit more of rationalization of our education policies

Can a nation(Pakistan) divided into three systems of eduction(English,Urdu,Madrasah(Arabic) could emerged as developed nation ????????
 
Can a nation(Pakistan) divided into three systems of eduction(English,Urdu,Madrasah(Arabic) could emerged as developed nation ????????

Developing nation is not their true objective. Their true objective is to reincarnate a barbarian mediaeval empire where general public can be kept in darkness like mushrooms while being fed garbage. Bad news for them is that this is not going to happen in Pakistan.
 
Can a nation(Pakistan) divided into three systems of eduction(English,Urdu,Madrasah(Arabic) could emerged as developed nation ????????

Exactly my point.We need to homogenize the system to unify the various schools and bring the best of each system together.
Araz
 
every pakistani muslim respect arabic, but that doesn't mean its our national language!
why do people make such stupid statments!?
 
I do remember hearing in one of Zaid Hamid's talk shows that it was the British who gave patronage to Urdu literature rather than Arabic in order to distance Muslims of British India from the Arabic world.

Anyone care to comment on this?
 
I do remember hearing in one of Zaid Hamid's talk shows that it was the British who gave patronage to Urdu literature rather than Arabic in order to distance Muslims of British India from the Arabic world.

Anyone care to comment on this?

What we know is that Punjabi , Sindhi , Hindi and all other sub-continental languages were saved from imminent extinction by the British Raj. This is among the most important good things done by the British. Arabic was never spoken by the ordinary Muslims here other than in religious institutions and Farsi was only spoken by the handful of ruling elites who had no relation with the general public.
Anyway, people who do not have any love for their mother tongue , are pathetic creatures. No language is better than the mother tongue.
 
I don't think that Arabic should be imposed on Pakistanis for the sake of this "Brotherhood", which I can't seem to find on a map.. or anywhere else really. It's very hard to find this "brotherhood" that some members gave as a reason for having Arabic as the national language of Pakistan. I think we should STRENGTHEN our "brotherhood" before making such a drastic change. Please don't get me wrong, I do believe that we do have a brotherhood but it is just not strong enough and needs lots of work. But I do agree that Arabic should be taught in schools to create an understanding of the Qur'an. Would like to see something like this in Bangladesh; having Arabic taught in schools to create an understanding of the Qur'an.
 
Last edited:
I don't agree with Aga.

Using Arabic as the national language of Pakistan will(eventually) destroy our culture and identity!

---------- Post added at 06:36 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:35 PM ----------

To all Pakistanis: keep your identity! Please!

I completely agree. What nonsense is this man talking? Urdu has a long history of independent evolution. It has such wealth of literature. It is and was always considered the language of prestige and learning.

He wants Pakistan to give up a 1000 years of language development!

To my ears Urdu is the sweetest language. I can't stand spoken Arabic!
 
I do remember hearing in one of Zaid Hamid's talk shows that it was the British who gave patronage to Urdu literature rather than Arabic in order to distance Muslims of British India from the Arabic world.

Anyone care to comment on this?

Zaid Hamid never gets his facts straight. He is always ranting nonsense.

Anyway, since when did Indians start listening to Hamid?
 
Aga Khan on Arabic as National Language of Pakistan

Sultan Muhammad Shah Aga Khan, the 48th Fatimid Imam Caliph and founder of Pakistan at a session of Motamer al-Alam-al-Islamiyya on February 9, 1951 in Karachi said:

“I can assure you that it is not with a light heart that I address you this evening. I fully realise that what I am going to say will make me most unpopular with important sections of the population. However, I would be a traitor to Islam if I let this opportunity pass without placing before the people of this powerful and populous Islamic nation the views which I consider my duty to place before the Muslims with as many of the arguments as I am capable of using in a short address.

I fear some of my arguments will mortally offend those who under totally different conditions gave so much of their life for the support of the cause which I think today has been passed by events far more important than any dreamt of in those days. I feel the responsibility greater than any I can think of to place my views and arguments before the Muslim population of Pakistan as a whole - each and every province - while what I consider a tragic and deadly step is not yet taken and not added to the constitution of this realm.

The language of a nation is not only the expression of its own voice but the mode of interpretation with all other human societies. Before it is too late, I, an old man, implore my brothers in Islam here not to finally decide for Urdu as the national language of Pakistan but to choose Arabic. Please hear my arguments.

If what was the other part of the former British Empire of India had made Urdu its national language, there would have been a great argument for Pakistan doing ditto. It could have been a linguistic and important point of contact with the vast Republic of the South. I am the last man on earth to desire to break any bridge of contact and understanding between Pakistan and its immense neighbour. Not only Urdu but even Hindustani has been replaced by Hindi throughout Bharat as the national language. The people of Bharat were perfectly justified to choose any language which the majority considered most appropriate and historically justified to be their national language. The majority there has the right to choose what was most suitable for them as the official language of the country.

Your choice in Pakistan of Urdu will in no way ameliorate or help your relations with your neighbour, nor will it help the Muslim minorities there in any conceivable way. Howsoever you may add Arabic and Persian words to Urdu there is no denying the fact that the syntax, the form, the fundamentals of the language are derived from Hindi and not from Arabic. Was Urdu the language of the Muslims of India at the time of their glory? During the long Pathan period, Urdu was never considered the language of the rulers.

Now we come to the Moghul Empire in the period of its glory. It was not the language of the educated. I defy anybody to produce a letter or any other form of writing by Emperors Aurangzeb, Shah Jehan, Jehangir, Akbar, Humayun or Babar in Urdu language. All that was spoken at the Court was Persian or occasional Turkish. I have read many of the writings of Aurangzeb and they are in beautiful Persian. Same is true if you go to the Taj Mahal and read what is written on the tombs of the Emperor and his famous consort. Persian was the court language and the language of the educated and even till the early 19th century in far Bengal, the Hindu intelligentsia wrote and used Persian and not Urdu. Up to the time of Macaulay, Persian was the language of Bengali upper classes irrespective of faith and of official documents and various Sadar Adalat. We must look historical facts in the face. Urdu became the language of Muslim India after the downfall. It is a language associated with the downfall. Its great poets are of the downfall period. The last and the greatest of them was lqbal, who with the inspiration of revival gave up Urdu poetry for Persian poetry. There was a meeting in Iqbal’s honour in London organised by men such as Prof. Nicholson. I was present at that meeting. Iqbal said that he went in for Persian poetry because it was associated with the greatness of the Islamic epoch and not with its misfortunes. Is it right that the language of the downfall period should become the national language of what we hope now is a phoenix-like national rising? All the great masters of Urdu belong to the period of greatest depression and defeat. It was then a legitimate attempt by the use of a language of Hindi derivation with Arabic and Persian words to find ways and means of better understanding with the then majority fellow countrymen.

Today that vast British dependency is partitioned and succeeded by two independent and great nations and the whole world hopes that both sides now accept partition as final. Is it a natural and national language of the present population of Pakistan? Is it the language of Bengal where the majority of Muslims live? Is it what you. hear in the streets of Dacca or Chittagong? Is it the language of the North West Frontier? Is it the language of Sind? Is it the language of the Punjab? Certainly after the fall of the Mughal Empire the Muslims and Hindus of certain areas found in it a common bond, but now today other forms of bridges must be found for mutual understanding. Who were the creators of Urdu? What are the origins of Urdu? Where did it come from? The camp followers, the vast Hindi-speaking population attached to the Imperial Court who adapted, as they went along, more Arabic and Persian words into the syntax. of their own language just as in later days the English words such as glass and cup became part of a new form of Urdu called Hindustani. Are you going to make the language of the Camp, or of the Court, the national language of your new-born realm? Every Muslim child of a certain economic standard learns the Quran in Arabic, whether he is from Dacca or Quetta. He learns Arabic to read the Quran.

Arabic is the language of Islam. The Qur’an is in Arabic. The Prophet’s hadith are in Arabic. The highest form of Islamic culture in Spain was in Arabic. Your children must learn Arabic to a certain extent always. The same is true of your West whether Sind, Baluchistan or the North. From the practical and worldly point of view, Arabic will give you, as a national language, immediate contact not only with the 40 million Arabic-speaking people of independent nations on your West, but the other 60 million more or less Arabic-speaking people who are not independent but who exist in Africa. Right up to the Atlantic, not only in North but as far South as Nigeria and the Gold Coast, Arabic is known to the upper classes of the population. In all the Sudans, on the Nile or under French rule, Arabic is the language right up to the borders of Portuguese West Africa. In East Africa, not only in Zanzibar but amongst the Muslim population of even countries as far apart as Madagascar and Portuguese East Africa, Arabic is known. If we turn to the Far East, Arabic has prospered throughout the region inhabited by 80 million Muslims of Indonesia, Malaya and Philippines. In Ceylon, Muslim children of the well-to-do classes get some knowledge of Arabic.

Is it not right and proper that this powerful Muslim State of Pakistan, with its central geographical position, its bridges between the nearly 100 million Muslims of the East and 100 million Muslims of the West - its position of the East from Philippines and the Great State of Indonesia and Malaya and Burma and then westward with the hundred millions in Africa, right up to the Atlantic, should make Arabic its national language and not isolate itself from all its neighbors and from the world of Islam with a language that was associated with the period of downfall of Muslim States.

And finally, whi1e Arabic, as a universal language of the Muslim world will unite, Urdu will divide and isolate. Gentlemen, brothers in Islam, people of Pakistan, people of every Province, I appeal to you, before you take the final and what I unfortunately must say, I consider, the fatal jump down the precipice, please discuss and let all and every one contribute their views. Take time and think over it. Once more I appeal for Islamic charity from those whom I may have offended and I appeal to all others to look to the facts in the face both historically and as they exist at present. I pray that the people of this country may be guided by Divine Wisdom before they decide.”

I agree with Aga Khan , all muslim countries should have Arabic as national language.

Very much happy with Pushto as farsi is another great language, if the pakistanis of sindh and punjab want Arabic good luck to them

We hardly speak or recognise urdu so arabic is a long way away.
 
Very much happy with Pushto as farsi is another great language, if the pakistanis of sindh and punjab want Arabic good luck to them

We hardly speak or recognise urdu so arabic is a long way away.

Hmm I smell an afghan pretending to be Pakistani, no Pakistani Pashtun would say they dont recognize Urdu. Maybe it is not spoken commonly in Khyber-P but that does not mean that the people there reject it. I would suggest mods look into this :mod:
 
Last edited:
Zaid Hamid never gets his facts straight. He is always ranting nonsense.

Anyway, since when did Indians start listening to Hamid?

That was actually the one thing which made sense to me,in his long rants full of nonsense.

Besides,he is very famous among Indians as a comedian :D
 
I agree with Aga Khan , all muslim countries should have Arabic as national language.

i understand WHY someone would lobby for this...but this is crazy! Language is an integral part of culture (local, sub, etc.)


if i'm not mistaken, Field Marshal Ayub Khan tried to implement this change; or at least proposed it.

to no avail of course.


I think Urdu will always be national language of Pakistan. We (Pakistanis of all provinces) are NOT Arabs; we may have linguistic, religious, and other similarities with them; we may have Pakistanis of Arab ancestry (like the Qureshis and some Baluch tribes, etc) ---but overall we are not them.

We should celebrate our heritage as Pakistanis, not ever surrender or try to meddle with it
 
I agree. Urdu should remain our identity along with other provincial languages, however learning Arabic from early on not only eases the religious understanding but from an economic standpoint, it also would make the Pakistani workforce more marketable in the middle east. Quite a few misunderstandings are as a result of getting "lost in translation".

a lot of Pakistani labourers already speak Arabic in GCC countries; it's easy for them to learn because the writing/alphabet is the pretty much the same

actually, it's the Arabs who learn Urdu to communicate with them as well




i do agree that in Pakistan, Arabic should be considered to be taught in classes....and not just Islamiat, but actual Arabic classes (if students opt for it over Chinese or Turkish or whatever)
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Pakistan Defence Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom