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Afzal khan and treachery of Shivaji

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Invalid example........rajputs always maintained full or semi Independence......they were not fighting with muslims because of the atrocities you mentioned, but to maintain their Independence.......even if the most honorable people on earth had invaded rajputs, they would have given them wars.

You mean to say Hindus accepted Foreign Islamic invaders ??

These invaders are seen as looters who looted Temples and raped women in the name of GOD.

When the strength of men in the mountains of Central Asia is adequate these guys used to come to the plains of Delhi to loot, rape and to do destruction.
 
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And their ladies would jump in fire when their husbands went to battle the invaders when all hope was lost. :disagree:
It was their custom

You mean to say Hindus accepted Foreign Islamic invaders ??

These invaders are seen as looters who looted Temples and raped women in the name of GOD.

When the strength of men in the mountains of Central Asia is adequate these guys used to come to the plains of Delhi to loot, rape and to do destruction.
then tell me the reason ,other than rajasthan ,why there was no hindu insurgency and unrest in rest of india during periods of lodhis and suris?
 
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Battle of Pratapgarh:

Composition of Adilshahi forces:
Afzal Khan was assisted by the chieftains Sayyad Banda, Fazal Khan, Ambarkhan, Yakutkhan, Siddi Hilal, Musekhan, Pilaji Mohite, Prataprao More and many more commanders of note. His forces consisted of 12,000 select Adilshahi cavalry, 10,000 infantry and 1,500 musketeers. He was accompanied by 85 elephants and 1,200 camels. His artillery consisted of 80-90 cannons. Siddi of Janjira was approaching from the Konkan coast.

Composition of Maratha forces:
Shivaji was assisted by Kanhoji Jedhe along with other Deshmukhs of Maval region namely Maral, Ramoji Dhamale, Silimkar and Bandal. His cavalry was commanded by Netaji Palkar, and were placed in a forward position near the fort. Moropant Pingle was in command of 3,000 chosen infantry men, who were positioned in a densely forested area. Sambhaji Kavaji Kondhalkar, Yesaji Kank, Jiva Mahala and many other skilled military leaders were in charge of them. Kanhoji Jedhe assisted Shivaji directly along with other commanders. In the meantime, Shahaji was ready in Bangalore with his army of 17,000 for a final Battle in case Shivaji and his forces were routed by Khan. He had warned Badi Begum of Adilshah that, if Afzal Khan and his Adilshahi forces killed Shivaji by deceit, then there wouldn't remain even a brick of the Adilshahi kingdom. These forces were being carefully watched by the Adilshah.:butcher:

Aftermath:
Adilshahi forces lost their artillery, 65 elephants, 4000 horses, 1200 camels, jewels worth 300,000 Rupees, 1,000,000 Rupees, heaps of precious cloths, tents to the Marathas. They also lost their money and grain stored at Wai.

5,000 Adilshahi soldiers were killed and almost as many were wounded. 3,000 soldiers were imprisoned, and the remainder were allowed to go home in defeat. The Marathas lost 1,734 soldiers, while 420 soldiers were wounded.

As it was policy of Shivaji to humanely treat the defeated army, neither the men nor women were sold as slaves or molested. Wounded commanders were offered treatment deserving of their rank and either imprisoned or sent back to Bijapur. Some of the defeated Adilshahi generals like Siddi Hilal changed their loyalties and joined the Marathas to serve under Shivaji Maharaj. Two of Afzal khan’s sons were captured by the Marathas but were let off by the Shivaji Maharaj. Fazal khan (son of Afzal khan) and the Adilshahi soldiers with him who were badly injured were shown a safe passage out of the forest of Jawli by Prataprao More. Shivaji Maharaj also buried Afzal Khan as per Islamic customs and build his tomb near Pratapgarh, as per his philosophy of ‘once the enemy is dead, the enmity is dead too’.

The sword of honour was presented to Kanhoji Jedhe for his invaluable and outstanding performance of service to Shivaji. The relatives of the killed soldiers were offered service in the Maratha army. Families without any male left alive to support the family were awarded pensions. Heroes of the war were rewarded with medals, kada (bracelets) and horses.

Khan's death dealt the Adilshah's rule a severe blow. A quarter of his territory, forts and a fifth of his army were captured or destroyed, while Shivaji doubled his territory, losing a tenth of his army, within fifteen days of the Battle of Pratapgadh.Shivaji maintained his momentum, sending cavalry towards Kolhapur, which succeeded in capturing seventeen forts, including the prestigious fort of Panhala. Cavalry was also sent towards Dabhol and Rajapur under the command of Doroji Patil, which was also successful in capturing forts in the southern Konkan.

This remarkable victory made Shivaji a hero of Maratha folklore and a legendary figure among his people. Having established military dominance and successfully beaten back a major attack by a powerful empire, Shivaji had founded the nucleus of what would become the Maratha Empire:fans:
 
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It was their custom
then tell me the reason ,other than rajasthan ,why there was no hindu insurgency and unrest in rest of india during periods of lodhis and suris?

It depends on the terrain and the resources they have in that region.

Rajasthan is a desert and difficult to conquer. Remaining parts of North India are plains located around Delhi once Delhi fell these regions used to come under the invader.

South is never under the control of Islamic invaders until Mughals arrived into India.

When historians say Islamic invaders conquered India they mean mostly Gangetic plans, not entire India.
 
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Aapke ghar mein cockroach aata hai toh aap kya karte hain, Rathore Saahab? Aap usko paalte nahi, maarte hain. Yeh chaaro cockroach mera ghar ganda kar rahe the aur aaj main apna ghar saaf karna chahta hoon.

Above is an interesting dialogue from the film A Wednesday, which precisely was brought in practice by Chhatrapati Shivaji. He didn't distinguish between enemy based on the religion.
 
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It was their custom
Brilliant evaluation. Getting roasted alive is an age old Rajput custom. Whenever the husband goes to fight, their wives burn to death :hitwall:

Now it is other than Rajasthan. :D Good, we are making progress.
 
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I am not central asian.....i only speak for afghans.....

If we leave the Islamic expansion and times of Invasions India have favorable opinion on Afghans. But Islamic faith has done lot of destruction due to Imams and all.

Afghans used to migrate even before the Islam came into existence .... .

Before Islam these guys used to come to India and integrate into Indian society, it is after they came in the name of Islam the clashes started in the name of faith.
 
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Aapke ghar mein cockroach aata hai toh aap kya karte hain, Rathore Saahab? Aap usko paalte nahi, maarte hain. Yeh chaaro cockroach mera ghar ganda kar rahe the aur aaj main apna ghar saaf karna chahta hoon.

Above is an interesting dialogue from the film A Wednesday, which precisely was brought in practice by Chhatrapati Shivaji. He didn't distinguish between enemy based on the religion.
Though many of Shivaji's enemy states were Muslim, he treated Muslims under his rule with tolerance for their religion. Shivaji's sentiments of inclusivity and tolerance of other religions can be seen in an admonishing letter to Aurangzeb, in which he wrote:

Verily, Islam and Hinduism are terms of contrast. They are used by the true Divine Painter for blending the colours and filling in the outlines. If it is a mosque, the call to prayer is chanted in remembrance of Him. If it is a temple, the bells are rung in yearning for Him alone.

Shivaji had several noteworthy Muslim soldiers, especially in his Navy. Ibrahim Khan and Daulat Khan (both were African descendants) were prominent in the navy; and Siddi Ibrahim was chief of artillery. Muslim soldiers were known for their superior skills in naval and artillery combat skills.
 
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I have not heard about any hindu insurgency during lodhi and suri times......

If they were really into raping hindu women, killing unarmed brahamins and destroying temples.........the hindu population would have turned against them as they did against aurangzaib


All Islamic invaders faced continuous resistance in one form or another. You haven't read up on history. Not sure about Lodhi times in particular, but the Delhi sultanate faced continuous rebellions from hindu elite and peasants alike. No one likes a foreign invader, you should know better than anyone.

Sher shah suri was a slightly different case. He was born, raised and died in the heartland of India and was less bigoted towards Indians. Secondly his kingdom was extremely short lived and it died with him - one man show. Mughals, no need to tell you of the resistance they faced from every corner.

Here are some sources you should read to understand the kind of rebellion the sultans faced and how they mitigated it. There is a reason why Islamic invasions started the dark ages for India and dharmic people in subcontinent.

"They faced continued opposition from the Hindu majority in India who rebelled against their conquerors, and they were threatened with periodic Mongol invasions from the north."

"In the rural areas, the population remained almost exclusively Hindu ... And many hated the Muslim government which was imposed upon them."

"He was distrustful of the Hindus whom he feared would rebel against him. So he recruited foreigners and rewarded them with fabulous gifts and high salaries. Persians and Turks and other Muslims flocked to the new empire looking for its rewards."

"When he arrived in Delhi, Ibn Battuta was given a welcoming gift of 2,000 silver dinars and put up in a comfortably furnished house. Muhammad Tughluq was not in Delhi, and so Ibn Battuta waited. Muhammad Tughluq had received reports about this new arrival and hired Ibn Battuta sight-unseen to the service of the state. He would receive an annual salary of 5,000 silver dinars to be paid from two and a half villages located about 16 miles from the city. (State officials and army officers were paid from taxes on crops produced in peasant villages rather than from the royal treasury.) The average Hindu family lived on about 5 dinars a month."

The Travels of Ibn Battuta

Qutb al-D¯ın Aybak (1206–10)

"But his four years of stewardship of the Ghurid Indian dominions were marked by his struggles against Yildiz, the Turkish ruler
of Ghazna; against Qabacha, who controlled Sind and Multan; and against the rebellious Hindu Rajahs, who wanted to throw off the Muslim yoke."

Shams al-Dın Iltutmish (1210–36)

"The defiant attitudes of the senior slave generals like Qabacha and Yildiz, the revival of resistance among the Hindu ruling classes, and above all, the threat from the growing power of the Chinggisid Mongols across the North-West Frontier, posed great challenges."

Tughluqids

"After a certain number of successes, however, a reaction set in and in the latter part of his reign, Muhammad had to deal with no fewer than twenty-two rebellions in different parts of the empire."

https://en.unesco.org/silkroad/sites/silkroad/files/knowledge-bank-article/vol_IVa silk road_the delhi sultanate.pdf

" On his way to Delhi in 1334 Battuta's caravan was attacked by 82 Hindu bandits; they fought them off, killing 13. At Delhi Muhammad's army was crushing a peasant tax rebellion. Battuta was given a stipend of 5,000 silver dinars from the revenue of two and half villages. While the average Hindu family lived on 5 dinars a month and soldiers were paid about 20, Battuta was given 12,000 a year with a 12,000 advance to be a judge even though he had no experience in law and could hardly speak Persian."

"The poll tax imposed on Hindus for "permission" to live in their homeland by Muslim rulers and the many restrictions on their behavior severely separated these two religious groups in a way that the tolerant spiritual tradition of India never knew before."

"Many Hindus treated Muslims as polluted untouchables, as the hatred became mutual."

"In 1414 he (Ahmad shah) began destroying Hindu temples throughout Gujarat, provoking rebellions by Hindu kings to form a league and appeal to Sultan Hushang of Malwa."

"He was succeeded by his son Muhammad Shah II, who continued the battles against Hindu rebels and died in 1451. Qutb-ud-din Ahmad Shah (r. 1451-58) also fought Hindu rebellions by Maharana Kumbha and encroachment by Malwa sultan Mahmud Khalji."

Delhi Sultans and Rajas 1300-1526 by Sanderson Beck

There are too many accounts of atrocities to mention, multiplied by two because same happened in South India with invaders to the Deccan. You think lodhi's were any different and hindus did not resist their occupation? They were equally foreigners, intolerant and bloodthirsty.
 
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Yeah right.

In 1639, Afzal Khan had murdered Raja Kasturi Ranga after inviting him for a meeting where he could safely make a submission.[1] Therefore, Shivaji was wary of Afzal Khan's real intentions. When Afzal Khan sent his envoy Krishnaji Bhaskar to Shivaji, Shivaji solemnly appealed to him as a Hindu priest to tell him if Afzal Khan was making any treacherous plans. According to the Maratha chronicles, Krishnaji hinted that Afzal Khan harbored mischief. Shivaji then sent his own envoy Pantaji Gopinath to Afzal, agreeing to a meeting; Pantaji's real mission was to find out the strength of Afzal's forces. Pantaji bribed some officials of Afzal Khan to learn that he was planning an attack on Shivaji.

Proves conclusively that Afzal Khan used these tactics to lay a trap for his opponents. Except this time the opponent was a shrewd man who could read the situation well.

He was buried with honour because treacherous shivaji was guilty of killing a noble and brave man

Shivaji killed an outsider who was trying to impose an outside government, religion and way of life into this land. Shivaji, though in some aspects not wise, was generally a national hero of this land.
 
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