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Afzal Guru hanged

No one bothered to think of the fact that he might have been innocent? Travesty of justice, I believe. There was limited evidence in this regard.

Everyone let him defend himself, with legal advice. He was tried in the lower courts, found guilty, made full use of his constitutional rights to appeal to higher courts, all the way to the supreme court. Every court found him guilty. After that, he was allowed to beg for mercy from the president. So don't say nobody bothered to ask if he was guilty. Yes we did. India is a country where everyone, even Pakistani terrorists like kasab are given a free and fair trial before hanging from a noose.

I can think of many other countries where there would have been no trial, but just a hellfire missile landing on him unexpectedly, or turning up in a ditch somewhere with torture marks across his body. India tried him to the full extent possible before executing him. Fed and clothed him all the while, for 11 years. What more should we do, to prove his guilt?
 
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Everyone let him defend himself, with legal advice. He was tried in the lower courts, found guilty, made full use of his constitutional rights to appeal to higher courts, all the way to the supreme court. Every court found him guilty. So don't say nobody bothered to ask if he was guilty. Yes we did. India is a country where everyone, even Pakistani terrorists like kasab are given a free and fair trial before hanging from a noose.

I can think of many other countries where there would have been no trial, but just a hellfire missile landing on him unexpectedly, or turning up in a ditch somewhere with torture marks across his body. India tried him to the full extent possible before executing him. Fed and clothed him all the while, for 11 years. What more should we do, to prove his guilt?

Concept of free trial and more importantly punishing terrorists in a little alien to most Pakistanis.. hence the confusion :D
 
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No one bothered to think of the fact that he might have been innocent? Travesty of justice, I believe. There was limited evidence in this regard.
Well one can say about all the terrorists targeted of TTP by PA might be innocent even when they have no concrete proof like India have against him.

Stop this hypocritic attitude. He was judged as guilty by Supreme Court of India which is way better than you courts.

So stop pitching this idiotic idea that he might be innocent.
 
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I just dont understand the hypocrisy of some Pakistani members here.
Either you support terrorism ,or you dont.No Pakistani had a problem with terrorism until their own home got engulfed by the fire they started.
Now the TTP guys are terrorists when they attack some airport or naval-base etc etc.But the same kind of guy is innocent and people create hue and cry saying "Justice denied" when they convicted and persecuted for attacking our Parliament,the very center of our democracy ??

Those who really think on this line,I will tell you,you all are bunch of sly foxes.

Until and unless my terrorists are terrorists to you as well and vice versa, I dont think we have any common ground.We,for example,never say that TTP is doing a great job and shower praises and sympathies upon them.But sadly enough,I have not seen a single Pakistani here congratulating India for putting an end to a big chapter in terrorism.Its us,who are actually fighting the terrorists,and that too without US alms.So,far Pakistan has been a failure in curbing terrorism.Rather,as the reports are coming out,we get to see,that terrorism has been employed as a state policy by Pakistan.

This country,Pakistan, has been so much brain-washed by their leaders for decades that almost every other guy there knowingly or unknowingly,supports the terrorists in India.And at the same time they call the TTP terrorists.By doing that,they have become hypocrites and a nation of terrorists in true sense.
 
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It is very much possible. Perhaps a bunch of you know what sit on that bench. If they replaced a judge with you, I doubt that would make any difference at all.
Yup. It is very much possible. Its also very much possible that pigs can fly. But alas, they can't.
 
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Concept of free trial and more importantly punishing terrorists in a little alien to most Pakistanis.. hence the confusion :D

For them, a long, free and fair trial in open courts is a "travesty of justice". Terrorists dying from foreign drone strikes or people who criticize the ISI turning up dead in a canal is all kosher.

When has Pakistan given a free and fair trial to their terrorists like we did?

But then we cant fault them for that. If they start giving legal trials to all their terrorists, they would need more law courts than schools, more lawyers and judges than the population itself. Because of the sheer volume of terrorists that infest their country. So they look at one terrorist captured by India and tried for 11 years in open courts at our expense, and cry about "travesty of justice". LOL sums it up.
 
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Your assumption is wrong.We view the terrorists as enemies of the state and hardliners as pain in the @$$



the thread is about hanging an enemy of the state,not encounters.Being a senior member,I hope you understand.

Do you think Afzal Guru was innocent ? If yes,then why? on what basis?

I could care less what the verdict is.

More Parliament attacks and more 26/11s will probably continue to take place as long as you kill Kashmiris, occupy them and then expect there'd be no backlash.

If someone did that to me in my home land, i'd fight them back too.

Mukti bahini were easy to arm and indoctrinate b/c of GoPs callous attitude towards bangalia. Similar logic applies here (though we dont even need to arm or train Kashmiris)

morally, i do believe that the freedom struggle of Kashmir is a just cause so while i dont think Parliament type attack was productive for Kashmiri cause - i certainly wasn't crying tears that day that's for sure
 
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I could care less what the verdict is.

More Parliament attacks and more 26/11s will probably continue to take place as long as you kill Kashmiris, occupy them and then expect there'd be no backlash.

If someone did that to me in my home land, i'd fight them back too.

Mukti bahini were easy to arm and indoctrinate b/c of GoPs callous attitude towards bangalia. Similar logic applies here (though we dont even need to arm or train Kashmiris)

morally, i do believe that the freedom struggle of Kashmir is a just cause so while i dont think Parliament type attack was productive for Kashmiri cause - i certainly wasn't crying tears that day that's for sure

Sure Pakistan can try again and you will get to see the results in your country too. It seems some one is not yet tired of seeing dead.
 
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It was I who brought the terrorists to Delhi. I did it for money, not religion, said Parliament attack plotter Afzal Guru in his first interview after arrest


It was chilly as usual in December 2001, but the national Capital was highly charged in the aftermath of the most defining terror attack launched on the 13th day of the month. The seat of political power had been attacked during the Winter Session.

I was covering the crime beat and was going through the grind as usual to find my "big story" of the day following the attack.

I still remember with crystal clarity that it was December 20 and a bunch of journalists, including me, was idling around the Delhi Police Special Office in Lodhi Colony looking for our "exclusive" story.

Perhaps, destiny was smiling on me that day as DCP (special cell) Ashok Chand allowed me (from print media) and Shams Tahir Khan (from Aaj Tak) to talk to their "prize catch and co-conspirator in the Parliament attack case" - Mohammed Afzal Guru.

My thoughts flashed back to the 15 minutes I managed to spend with Guru that day the moment I heard the news of his hanging on Saturday morning.

Guru was cold in his response, remorseless and defiant even as he was chained and constantly under police monitoring. He admitted in the very first minute that his conscience did not prick him even once before the attack.

Guru said, "Had I thought what I was doing was wrong, I would not have done it. Had I not been caught, I would probably have gone on to help some other terrorist group for money."

Remorseless

His next statement was enough to make a headline: "It was I who brought the terrorists to Delhi." As the talk progressed, I got more engrossed in reading the psyche of the "terrorist". Guru went on: "It was not religion that motivated me to help the terrorists.

I am a businessman and I was helping them because of the money I was promised. I was to get Rs.50,000 for my role and a safe passage to Pakistan."


He told me "categorically" that the five terrorists involved in the attack were "a close-knit, highly motivated and fanatically religious group".

He aided and assisted them in carrying out the attack, he claimed, saying, "They used to pray regularly and were always focused on the attack. They spent much time in studying the photographs of Parliament they had downloaded from various websites."

Afzal opened up as the police left us alone.

"The suicide squad would regularly go over their attack strategy. They, however, used to hide behind the facade of a westernised lifestyle. They would wear western clothes. The idea was to mislead the intelligence agencies. While Mohammed appeared to be a well-read man, Rana could barely read or write. The others had not studied beyond secondary school," he said, adding that "no doubt Mohammed was the same man who had hijacked IC-814 to Kandahar in 1999 and killed Rupen Katyal (the only passenger murdered by the hijackers)".

Clean chit

On the day of the attack, the terrorists called Afzal and asked him to keep a watch on the proceedings on television. "I was at my sister-in-law's house in Azadpur at that time. There was a power failure there, so I could not watch the proceedings on television," he explained.

Afzal may have confessed about his role, but he gave a clean chit to his co-accused Shaukat Hussain and SAR Geelani, saying, "Their only crime is that they let me use their phones on a few occasions. At one point of time they were even reluctant to lend their vehicle to the terrorists," he claimed.


Read more at: It was I who brought the terrorists to Delhi. I did it for money, not religion, said Parliament attack plotter Afzal Guru in his first interview after arrest : North, News - India Today

^^ So much for innocent fruit seller :rolleyes:
 
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Yup. It is very much possible. Its also very much possible that pigs can fly. But alas, they can't.

I bet you fair and lovely cops grabbed the first muslim guy in beard they could get their hands on.
 
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Sure Pakistan can try again and you will get to see the results in your country too. It seems some one is not yet tired of seeing dead.

As usual you give us too much credit.

Like I said, if I were Kashmiri I'd be up in arms too. They've shown incredible restraint and resilience.

indias grasp is iron fisted yet weak at the same time, which is why the police are now firing live ammo at unarmed Kashmiri nationalists (nothing new)
 
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Another hero for Pakistan gets the noose:

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If you could come to the Case…, what were the incidents that led to the Parliament attack Case?

After all the lessons I learned in STF camps, which is either you and your family members get harassed constantly for resisting or cooperate with the STF blindly, I had hardly any options left, when D.S.P Davinder Singh asked me to do a small job for him. That is what he told, "a small job". He told me that I had to take one man to Delhi. I was supposed to find a rented house for him in Delhi. I was seeing the man first time, but since he did not speak Kashmiri I suspected he was an outsider. He told his name was Mohammad [Mohammad is identified by the police as the man who led the 5 gunmen who attacked the Parliament. All of them were killed by the security men in the attack].

When we were in Delhi Mohammad and me used to get phone calls from Davinder Singh. I had also noticed that Mohammad used to visit many people in Delhi. After he purchased a car he told me now I could go back and gave me 35,000 rupees saying it was a gift. And I left to Kashmir for Eid.

When I was about to leave to Sopore from Srinagar bus stand I was arrested and taken to Parimpora police station. They tortured me and took to STF headquarters and from there brought me to Delhi. In the torture chamber of Delhi Police Special Cell, I told them everything I knew about Mohammad. But they insisted that I should say that my cousin Showkat, his wife Navjot S.A.R. Geelani and I were the people behind the Parliament attack. They wanted me to say this convincingly in front of media. I resisted. But I had no option than to yield when they told me my family was in their custody and threatened to kill them. I was made to sign many blank pages and was forced to talk to the media and claim responsibility for the attack by repeating what the police told me to say. When a journalist asked me about the role of S.A.R. Geelani I told him Geelani was innocent. A.C.P. Rajbeer Singh shouted at me in the full media glare for talking beyond what they tutored. They were really upset when I deviated from their story and Rajbeer Singh requested the journalists not to broadcast that part where I spoke of Geelani's innocence.
 
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I could care less what the verdict is.

More Parliament attacks and more 26/11s will probably continue to take place as long as you kill Kashmiris, occupy them and then expect there'd be no backlash.

If someone did that to me in my home land, i'd fight them back too.

Mukti bahini were easy to arm and indoctrinate b/c of GoPs callous attitude towards bangalia. Similar logic applies here (though we dont even need to arm or train Kashmiris)

morally, i do believe that the freedom struggle of Kashmir is a just cause so while i dont think Parliament type attack was productive for Kashmiri cause - i certainly wasn't crying tears that day that's for sure

One does not see anyone fighting the drones.
 
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