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Afghans: Artillery from Pakistan kills 4 civilians

Afghanistan should use some brain & co-operate with Pakistan honestly & sincerily, both countries can do joint efforts to hunt the terrorist of TTP & BLA hiding along Pak-Afghan border in Afghanistan, supported by some terror consulates. Look at Pakistan & Iran how close & peaceful relations are between them, same is possible with Afghanistan if Afghans use brain & kick out anti-Pak forces such as terrorists of TTP, BLA, RAW from their territory. Remember Pakistan is Afghanistan's neighbour so if Pakistan is your friend you don't have to worry about anything else.

BTW RIP to innocent civilians(if they are innocent civilians for real), it is unfortunate if innocent lives were lost instead of terrorists.
 
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Pakistan, USA & Afghanistan are each others need, they may have some differences in their priority interests but the end is same, all three countries are fighting against terrorists to make the world peaceful. IMO these three countries should co-operate with each other, respect each other's interests, (for instance US & Afghans should understand that Pakistan cannot afford indian presence in Afghanistan as india's RAW help terrorists of TTP & BLA against Pakistan & spread chaos in Pakistan's western region, also US should help Pakistan by helping it in trade, give Pakistan something like tax-free status to increase Pakistan's export more & more, also US can help Pakistan by building schools & colleges & funding them so that many poor people in Pakistan can go to school). It will benifit all three countries if they come close & keep their ego's back.
 
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Afghanistan should use some brain & co-operate with Pakistan honestly & sincerily, both countries can do joint efforts to hunt the terrorist of TTP & BLA hiding along Pak-Afghan border in Afghanistan, supported by some terror consulates. Look at Pakistan & Iran how close & peaceful relations are between them, same is possible with Afghanistan if Afghans use brain & kick out anti-Pak forces such as terrorists of TTP, BLA, RAW from their territory. Remember Pakistan is Afghanistan's neighbour so if Pakistan is your friend you don't have to worry about anything else.

BTW RIP to innocent civilians(if they are innocent civilians for real), it is unfortunate if innocent lives were lost instead of terrorists.

Excuse me? : There is no such thing as Afghanistan as we speak because Afghans are not in control of Afghanistan. Therefore we cannot make blanket statements and address Afghans when they themselves are wondering how to get by everyday.

You must understand its a country under occupation & they are calling the shots through a puppet government. The only solution we have Afghans is a long term solution post allied pull out.
 
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For implementation of all below good points you have mentioned first both sides have to come pure, clean with hearts and minds!


1) The next time Brahamdagh or any of his ilk come to Afghanistan you hand him over to us as we asked.

First of all there is a point that why Afg government allowed those 'noble' guests to take refuge in Afghanistan - all I think is Afghanistan is doing tit-for-tat with Pakistan; we claim that most(leadership) of armed opposition is sheltered in Pakistan where they freely get training gets fund from world wide sympathizers etc.. even I myself is witness of this in Speen Jumaat in Peshawar where Taliban was openly announcing for recruitment and funds for Jihad in Afghanistan!

This may also go the same with TTP; so if Pakistan disallows and disbands all armed opposition groups of Afghanistan in Pakistan; Afghanistan will be ready to kick out anyone who is against Pakistan.

2) Your Government recognizes the Durrand Line as the International Border between Pakistan and Afghanistan even if there is freedom to move between the two countries, so that we can put to bed the issue of 'Pakhtoonistan' once and for all.

I wish the issue of Pashtoonistan was only raised by the government but this issue lays with the Pashtuns and even if our government tries to take steps local people will not allow it.

So I think education is the best thing we both can deliver to bordering Pashtuns, once education invades them they will not go for tribal rules etc.. which leads them to Pashtoonistan.

3) Our concerns about greater Indian involvement in your country are recognized so that India's current political or rather humanitarian role (which is duly appreciated !) doesn't translate into the future, should the Indians wish it, into something with either an outright Military dimension or such a pronounced political role that your foreign policy is antagonistic to Pakistan.

Be sure that Afghanistan will not be used against any of it's neighbors I will give you two example one old and one new:

In 1965 and 1971 Pak-Indo wars we had golden times to go for Pashtoonistan but at that time the leadership of the government gathered loya jirga and asked them about it and it was rejected and state was declared neutral!

Couple of days ago Iran expressed it's will to sign a strategic agreement with Afghanistan despite of strongly criticizing US-Afghan pact; that's because our government made them sure that Afghanistan will not be used against any of it's neighbors.

So we may have stronger cultural, economical and military relations with India but in no way it means we will allow them to work against Pakistan in Afghanistan.

4) You take credible steps in dislodging the militants that attack us from Afghanistan and then melt back into the villages and landscape on your side of the border.

These border incursions are something new and still there is a big confusion that who are supporting them what are their agendas because it's not only Pakistan which is harmed by incursion but they have also crossed the border and attacked our posts. There could be two points, 1) the Taliban are now one and planned to struggle and get complete control of Afg-Pak border in future 2) foreign hands to take Afghanistan and Pakistan into a war in future!

Either way both Afghanistan and Pakistan will be the loser! joint ops is what I prefer and a joint command and control center should be build between ANA and PA.

In turn Pakistan too gives you guys sovereign guarantees that :

1) We'd hold a completely non-Partisan view on the Internal Affairs of Afghanistan as long as it doesn't endanger the lives of Pakistanis.

2) We'd extend all reasonable aid that we can to make Afghanistan prosperous again.

3) If there is credible evidence brought against the 'alleged' safe-havens in Pakistan's tribal areas we'd conduct military operations over there to dislodge them whilst you cut off their escape routes from the other side.

4) We'd not harbor any and all Afghan terrorist in our areas and if they are identified they be handed over to the Afghan Government for trial; we'd expect a similar arrangement for our terrorists living in your lands. The mechanism for determining whether someone is a terrorist or not would be the ICJ and their decision would be binding on both Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Does that seem workable to you ?

It's completely workable and will have fruitful results.
 
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Decades?


Your special forces trained by Uncle Sam, came at night in jeep 5 km inside our territory and abducted some of our villagers.

I got you bro.

Afghan forces kill two Pakistanis: officials | DAWN.COM

QUETTA: Afghan security forces kidnapped two Pakistanis in southwestern Baluchistan province in Pakistan and later killed them, officials said on Sunday.

Also this was this year.

Afghanistan should use some brain & co-operate with Pakistan honestly & sincerily, both countries can do joint efforts to hunt the terrorist of TTP & BLA hiding along Pak-Afghan border in Afghanistan, supported by some terror consulates. Look at Pakistan & Iran how close & peaceful relations are between them, same is possible with Afghanistan if Afghans use brain & kick out anti-Pak forces such as terrorists of TTP, BLA, RAW from their territory. Remember Pakistan is Afghanistan's neighbour so if Pakistan is your friend you don't have to worry about anything else.

BTW RIP to innocent civilians(if they are innocent civilians for real), it is unfortunate if innocent lives were lost instead of terrorists.

When people in Afghanistan are killed they are civilians when it happens in Pakistan they are militants. :rolleyes:
 
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^ The day will come , when both of us realize that brothers don't look good fighting even to their own parents.

At times it deeply saddens me when I think of the point that both countries have come to! I hope post-2014 brings eternal peace and prosperity to both Afghanistan and Pakistan!
 
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as if Pakistanis are in full control in Pakistan. If that was so , drones wouldn't be flying around.
Excuse me? : There is no such thing as Afghanistan as we speak because Afghans are not in control of Afghanistan. Therefore we cannot make blanket statements and address Afghans when they themselves are wondering how to get by everyday.

You must understand its a country under occupation & they are calling the shots through a puppet government. The only solution we have Afghans is a long term solution post allied pull out.
 
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an unconfirmed allegation from afghan minister thats getting an enormously wide media coverage..while drones from afghn soil are getting no media coverage
 
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I'm taking anger management classes now. Lol

Better late then never. :D
Does this mean no more war with our Indian friends? :undecided:
BTW Do you know what happened to Aryan B? He vanished. :blink:

as if Pakistanis are in full control in Pakistan. If that was so , drones wouldn't be flying around.

This thread is about Afghan and Pakistani I don't see how you come in bharti. Worry about your own country mate.

americans are sending their dogs inside our territory, or else the dog has neither guts nor courage to attack us

The ANA is made up of Northern Alliance Tajiks. I have no doubt that they would do stuff like this on their own accord.
 
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afghans should know that they are little guy in this fight and when push comes to shove they will be the ones who will get it up their rumps the most, they have brought this upon themselves by jumping in bed with Pakistan's enemies.
They have miscalculated yet again, as moronic afghan leaders in the 60s did so, they thought that this time under NATO/US cover and encouragement they can harbour Pakistan’s enemies like Fazalluah and Barhamdagh and get away with it.
We should pound their a$$ day in and day out , there are no innocent civilians in these areas , the border is porous and open and we also know very well who we are targeting
Artillery is rarely fired without spotters that should tell us something.

Pak army may think that this shelling is as effective as drones and will scare out the a$$es of militants but not!! but in return these local people will shelter the militants and join them and will attack PA in masses again and again - totally fail counter-insurgency strategy. :tdown:

if the locals have a tendancy to shelter militants and join their ranks to attack Pakistan then what they are getting is just right treatment
 
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as if Pakistanis are in full control in Pakistan. If that was so , drones wouldn't be flying around.

it always amusing to see the response of indians when Pakistan spanks its enemies ... deep indside you are jealous that your india , to whom Pakistan is the enemy , cant do the same against Pakistan.
 
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