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Afghans: Artillery from Pakistan kills 4 civilians

Pak army may think that this shelling is as effective as drones and will scare out the a$$es of militants but not!! but in return these local people will shelter the militants and join them and will attack PA in masses again and again - totally fail counter-insurgency strategy. :tdown:


Would ANA be willing to do joint ops with us?
 
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KABUL, Afghanistan - (AP) -- Afghan officials said Sunday that hundreds of shells and rockets have been fired into Afghanistan from neighboring Pakistan, hitting homes and killing four civilians along frontier areas from which insurgents have in the past staged cross-border attacks.
The Afghan government has not yet openly blamed the Pakistani military for the artillery barrage, which reportedly hit districts in the eastern provinces of Nuristan and Kunar. Both are considered insurgent hotbeds, and militants allied with both the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban regularly cross the mountainous border in both directions.
Pakistan has railed against Afghan and NATO forces for not doing enough to stop the rising number of cross-border attacks, which it says have killed dozens of members of its security forces. However, there has been little sympathy from the U.S. and Afghan governments, which have long complained Pakistan allows sanctuary to militants fighting in Afghanistan crossing the border in the opposite direction.
In the latest reported cross-border violation, nearly 400 rockets and shells were fired into Afghanistan on Saturday and killed at least four people in Dangam district along the border, according to Kunar provincial police chief Gen. Ewaz Mohammad Naziri.
He said those attacks and others in nearby Nuristan had led hundreds of families to flee the area.
There is little or no Afghan or NATO military presence in the area and large swaths of the region are controlled by insurgent groups. The information could not be independently verified because the area is largely off-limits to reporters.
Kabul's Foreign Ministry spokesman Janan Mosazai said, "The rocket attacks in the eastern provinces of Afghanistan are not acceptable to us and we are strongly condemning these attacks. We believe that the continuation of such rocket attacks will have a negative impact on the friendly relations between Afghanistan and Pakistan."
President Hamid Karzai discussed the issue of artillery fire coming from Pakistan at a weekly meeting of his national security council, a statement said. It added that Karzai ordered an in-depth investigation into the attacks.
The issue of cross-border attacks was discussed in Kabul last week during an official visit by Pakistan's new Prime Minister Raja Pervaiz Ashraf and British Prime Minister David Cameron.
Cameron, Ashraf and Karzai jointly called for a common stand against insurgents operating in the lawless border areas. Ashraf openly complained at a news conference about attacks against Pakistan originating in Kunar.
Last week, Pakistan said dozens of militants from Afghanistan's Kunar province attacked a village near Pakistan's northwest Bajur tribal area and appeared to be targeting members of a militia fighting Pakistani Taliban. Local Pakistani officials said 15 militants and two anti-Taliban militiamen were killed.
In other violence, a spokesman for the governor of eastern Wardak province said insurgents had kidnapped five Afghan men working a base joint operated by Afghan and NATO forces and killed them. Spokesman Shahidullah Shahid said their bodies were discovered early Sunday.
Also in the east, NATO said insurgent attacks killed three of its service members. A roadside bomb killed two Sunday morning, while another service member died in a separate attack on Saturday. It provided no further details on the incidents or the nationalities of the troops.
The deaths bring the number of foreign forces killed in July to 30, for a total of 245 so far this year.
NATO also said that it killed a number of insurgents with an airstrike in the Mohammad Agha district of eastern Logar province. It did not provide further details.
Fighting in eastern Afghanistan has been raging since spring as NATO tries to clear the area of insurgents.
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Patrick Quinn contributed to this report from Kabul.
Copyright 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Afghans: Artillery from Pakistan kills 4 civilians

May I ask WHY this is happening? In their long history of friendship this craziness has never occurred! There were not much tensions from the Afghan border! Apparently, the American war on Afghan seems to have started this new enmity!
 
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we have nurtured millions of afghan refugees and fed them, and by beheading our 17 soldiers is how these barbarians repay

i say as long as we bomb the shitt out of them,l there is no other solution

one afghani said that the common afghans will join the talibans and shelter them, how do you know they arnt already doing that, so i say bomb these militants plus the afghans who shelter them
 
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Would ANA be willing to do joint ops with us?

Why not, I think still there isn't any joint command between ANA and Pak army, I hope they start joint ops asap and joint operations will have better results!

I am all for any military strategic agreement between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
 
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GOoD WORK PAK ARMY INSTEAD OF Shells Send F16 JF 17 =))) bomb the **** out of them

ANd they guy who was saying pakistan should be very proud of killing 4 civilian do u know how many civilian have been killed IN pakistan by just drone attack and ur ttp attack drone come from afg taliban come from ttp u stop all them we stop Else these attacks gone increase now it u jst have to wait and watch when pakistan sends its specl forces =)))

Aghn is the Country which dont desrve respct Moslty Any Gov never helped pakistan or even india When 1800 muslims moved to afghans they rejected
after that when soviet attacked Afg as Good Brothers we welcomed them and now their more then 4 million afg in Pakistan
and have 1 of the biggest refuge camp on earth now how u repay u guys send militants afgn is the 1 who spread drugs into pakistan and guns I hope Instead of shelling PAK army better nuke u it will much better and easier =))
 
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My father was also the chief of army at that time and he totally reject this claim.. ! :P

Okay buddy I am not against PA when it comes for killing these militants but it should not harm civilians as it may backfire at it's worse case! lets condemn every bad and cherish good thing and killing civilians is bad.

The very point everybody across the border reject when drone kills 40 pro Govt elders or destroy a mosque because there were 2 insurgent in it and kills 15 innocent as collateral damage.
 
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Link to the news
Afghan forces violate Pak border, kill 2 :: SAMAA TV ::

We fired shells you guys are sending Infantry inside our border to kill pro Govt and civillians.



Rest in Peace the innocent....

Pakistan is in dire need of Armed drones and better gunship


PARACHINAR: A contingent of Afghan National Army infiltrated into Pakistani border with heavy gunfire; however, rapid response from local Peace Force compelled them to retreat back into their country, SAMAA reports Monday.

According to security sources, at 60 personnel of Afghan National Army both in uniform and plain clothes, attacked in Pak-Afghan border area of Kurram Agency at 10am this morning; local people hailing from local Peace Force (Aman Lashkar) made them lick the dust.

Two locals hailing from the Peace Force were killed during the clash during which weapons of various kinds were freely employed for at least one hour, according to the security sources. SAMAA

Dude I have discussed this news in another forum they were all militants both in plain cloths and military uniforms.
 
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Why not, I think still there isn't any joint command between ANA and Pak army, I hope they start joint ops asap and joint operations will have better results!

I am all for any military strategic agreement between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

The issue is the ISAF won't want to see such a thing happening as its not in their interest. In the longer term , a joint armed forces command structure may become a solution to the menace of terror.

I deeply regret the civilian loss of life.
 
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The very point everybody across the border reject when drone kills 40 pro Govt elders or destroy a mosque because there were 2 insurgent in it and kills 15 innocent as collateral damage.

Tell me when I supported drones when it harmed Pakistani people, mosques, elders? drones are good as long as they are hitting militants not a step above that!

GOoD WORK PAK ARMY INSTEAD OF Shells Send F16 JF 17 =))) bomb the **** out of them

ANd they guy who was saying pakistan should be very proud of killing 4 civilian do u know how many civilian have been killed IN pakistan by just drone attack and ur ttp attack drone come from afg taliban come from ttp u stop all them we stop Else these attacks gone increase now it u jst have to wait and watch when pakistan sends its specl forces =)))

Aghn is the Country which dont desrve respct Moslty Any Gov never helped pakistan or even india When 1800 muslims moved to afghans they rejected
after that when soviet attacked Afg as Good Brothers we welcomed them and now their more then 4 million afg in Pakistan
and have 1 of the biggest refuge camp on earth now how u repay u guys send militants afgn is the 1 who spread drugs into pakistan and guns I hope Instead of shelling PAK army better nuke u it will much better and easier =))

You should come and live in Pakistan first, internet warrior!
 
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The very point everybody across the border reject when drone kills 40 pro Govt elders or destroy a mosque because there were 2 insurgent in it and kills 15 innocent as collateral damage.
The difference between drones and shelling is, drone attacks are not indiscriminate. Every attack is targetted, sometime target proves wrong, sometimes civilians die along with the right target.
I dont think you can ever kill a terrorist by shelling a place.
 
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The issue is the ISAF won't want to see such a thing happening as its not in their interest. In the longer term , a joint armed forces command structure may become a solution to the menace of terror.

I deeply regret the civilian loss of life.

May be but as long as they are reducing military personnel Afghanistan and Pakistan should enhance military partnership at the same level and the time will not be far when we see the enemies of Afghanistan and Pakistan being crushed.
 
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Why not, I think still there isn't any joint command between ANA and Pak army, I hope they start joint ops asap and joint operations will have better results!

I am all for any military strategic agreement between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

For any of that to happen steps would need to be taken on a strategic level to assuage the political concerns of either country and then and only then could those gains be consolidated at a 'ministry or portfolio' level with any kind of military to military agreement between the two.

Sher, we've got some serious reservations with respect to Afghanistan, do you think the present or future Governments of your country would be willing to take steps in respect of the following :

1) The next time Brahamdagh or any of his ilk come to Afghanistan you hand him over to us as we asked.

2) Your Government recognizes the Durrand Line as the International Border between Pakistan and Afghanistan even if there is freedom to move between the two countries, so that we can put to bed the issue of 'Pakhtoonistan' once and for all.

3) Our concerns about greater Indian involvement in your country are recognized so that India's current political or rather humanitarian role (which is duly appreciated !) doesn't translate into the future, should the Indians wish it, into something with either an outright Military dimension or such a pronounced political role that your foreign policy is antagonistic to Pakistan.

4) You take credible steps in dislodging the militants that attack us from Afghanistan and then melt back into the villages and landscape on your side of the border.

In turn Pakistan too gives you guys sovereign guarantees that :

1) We'd hold a completely non-Partisan view on the Internal Affairs of Afghanistan as long as it doesn't endanger the lives of Pakistanis.

2) We'd extend all reasonable aid that we can to make Afghanistan prosperous again.

3) If there is credible evidence brought against the 'alleged' safe-havens in Pakistan's tribal areas we'd conduct military operations over there to dislodge them whilst you cut off their escape routes from the other side.

4) We'd not harbor any and all Afghan terrorist in our areas and if they are identified they be handed over to the Afghan Government for trial; we'd expect a similar arrangement for our terrorists living in your lands. The mechanism for determining whether someone is a terrorist or not would be the ICJ and their decision would be binding on both Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Does that seem workable to you ?
 
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