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Afghanistan is Pakistan’s Principal Enemy

read this for a better understanding of the thought process of Afghans


P.S. its a long post.

Afghans are POS, they are not so important that I will waste even few minutes of my life reading about them any further than what I already know about them since last 3 decades. You might be "curious" about "afghans" being a pashtun yourself, but for me they are just another POS like Indians who hate Pakistan expect perhaps Ghiljis paindu Afghan Taliban as I mentioned in one of my earlier posts.
 
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Afghans are POS, they are not so important that I will waste even few minutes of my life reading about them. You might be "curious" about "afghans" being a pashtun yourself, for me they are just another POS like Indians who hate Pakistan expect perhaps Ghiljis paindu Afghan Taliban as I mentioned one of my earlier posts.

As i figured, you had no idea what you were talking about. 2 of the people in the pics that i asked you to identify are from the same tribe that you mentioned above for being pro-Pakistani. So next time before calling other people's post totally rubbish, make sure you actually know the correct information, it will save you some embarrassment and save us from wasting our time.
 
It's not so much about "countries" as it is about governments.

Afghanistan's government is not representative of the majority of its people (voter turnout was an absolute joke.) It is a group of thugs, criminals, war-/drug-lords, etc.

A more progressive Afghan Taliban which would allow women more rights, etc., will at least bring stability to Afghanistan and security to Pakistan's borders. In its present incarnation, the Afghan government and security apparatus allows R&AW to support terror in Pakistan.

This is terror that kills innocents in the hundreds. Many Indians like to compare Balochistan to Kashmir. This is a false equivalency because one is a legitimate insurgency focused almost exclusively against an occupying force in an internationally/UN-recognized disputed territory VS. Balochistan, which is not a disputed territory therefore the Pak Army and FC are not occupying forces and the terrorism is often focused on innocent civilians.
 
But Gul is common name as well. Umer Gul, Ajab Gul, General hameed Gul, Gul panra etc
Afghans slur hardly make any sense. Call Dalkhor to Pakistani Muslims when they eat Meat but never use same slur for dear Indian brothers who are mostly vegetarians


Yes it was Israeli who carried out suicide attacks in Pakistan from Afghanistan. Afghans damaged Pakistan much more than India or Isreal because they were directly involved and thast why labelled as security threat. Indian Raw was just giving them money and training and they were doing all dirty job for them
you have to realize that they are extremely poor nation plus what they want from us. we have to be their shoulder to help ourselves helping them is helping Pakistan they are neighbour now whos using them India by making few roads hospitals and buildings and buying them literally to attack on Pakistan plus injecting money to their media to hate Pakistan. what are we doing to counter it,big fat NOTHING buddy, to counter your enemy we have to fight on each door they open on us.
we can use these afghani like india to have them taste their own medicine but we have to have money which come with good economy, and look in 10 years what Nawaz and zardari chor have done to our economy not only that they didnt counter india or represent our narrative to world specially iran and afghanistan its not Armys job.
so enemies taking advantages and we blaming afghan who are not less than donkey we have to find the owner of it and punish.
 
So you have no idea who these guys are thats why you tried to dodge the questions. please try again

Previously you mentioned that farsi speaking Durranis are the enemies of Pakistan. Abdali was also a Durrani, so it doesn't make sense why both Tajiks and Durranis would hate Pakistan.

Also Ahmed Shah was not a renegade. He only became the King of Pukhtoons through a Jirga and only after the death of Nader Shah.

Let me add another thing from what i have experienced, about 15yrs Afghan Pukhtoons would happily associate with us and would distance themselves from Hazaras, Tajuks and Uzbeks. But nowadays they are united and they all call us Gul Khans
Za ma che sumra yakeen dhay, no hazara oh tajik Khalik ko Pakistan sara da dee darogho pakhtano na zeyata meena da. Da afganistan pakhtanuh Dee soak? Toll che kum pakhtanuh dee, no a khu toll Pakistan ke dee?

Gul means flower, it means soft or naive and it meant as a taunt for Pakistani Pukhtoons unless they support Afghanistan.
It's funny though, because they run like dogs when us "gul Khans" get pissed. These rats shit their pants everytime they piss off a pakistani pakhtoon. It speaks volumes of who the real pakhtoons.

It's not so much about "countries" as it is about governments.

Afghanistan's government is not representative of the majority of its people (voter turnout was an absolute joke.) It is a group of thugs, criminals, war-/drug-lords, etc.

A more progressive Afghan Taliban which would allow women more rights, etc., will at least bring stability to Afghanistan and security to Pakistan's borders. In its present incarnation, the Afghan government and security apparatus allows R&AW to support terror in Pakistan.

This is terror that kills innocents in the hundreds. Many Indians like to compare Balochistan to Kashmir. This is a false equivalency because one is a legitimate insurgency focused almost exclusively against an occupying force in an internationally/UN-recognized disputed territory VS. Balochistan, which is not a disputed territory therefore the Pak Army and FC are not occupying forces and the terrorism is often focused on innocent civilians.
You would think, but nope. My family even here humiliates them by calling them namak haram.
 
I have had many close Afghan friends albeit most were Tajiks because I could converse with them in Farsi. One of these was my neighbor in a 'Bed-sit' ( one room accommodation) in South Kensington back in the 1960s when the Zahir Shah ruled Afghanistan. I asked him why Afghanis supported 'Pushtoonistan' when we had such good relations and it was so easy to travel between the two countries. He replied that true Afghans would never forgive or forget that their old Summer Capital (Peshawar) had been forcibly taken over by the Punjabis ( Sikhs) and most Afghans identify Pakistanis as Punjabis. Additionally, Afghans have never accepted the Durand Line as the international border.

Afghan support at that time manifested in the form of supporting Pukhtoonistan and had also issued postal stamps. For example.


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India has exploited this resentment to the full and Hamid Gul's misadventure with Gulbuddin Hikmatyar when he bombarded Kabul in an unsuccessful fight with Rabbani during 1992 - 1996 made it worse. ( Afghans claim that about 50,000 Kabulis died because of these attacks)

I like Afghanistan as a county but IMHO Afghanistan & the Afghans are not friends of Pakistan nor are they likely to anytime soon.
Pakistan should claim Kabul by this logic because Ahmed Shah Abdali was Punjabi (Pakistani) born in Multan in 1772 and not Afghan He is the father of modern Pakhtoons captured Afghanistan and lay the foundation of Dur-rani dynasty So it means a Punjabi Pakhtoons captured whole modern Afghanistan So Afghanistan whole territory belong to Pakistan and not the vice versa
 
Current Afghan government, its brainwashed diaspora, and liberal secular city classes are anti-Pakistan, eating all manner of Indian and American propaganda against Pakistan.

Most of the rural Pukhtoons in the south have relatives on the Pakistani side and regularly transverse the border. They love Pakistan.

We have people in Pakistan themselves like N and PPP supporters who hate our own government and military, so it is all about poor leadership, control by foreign forces, and manipulation.

Afghanistan is a poor country with not much knowledge of Islam or Islamic scholarship, they need to be taught what Islam says in greater detail.

I saw many Afghan children in Pakistani madrassas who were learning Quran/Sunnah and also about Pakistan.

Many religious Afghans idolize our Islamic scholars, and we have great influence in that department.

This is why our Mufti Taqi Usmani, for example, has so much influence with Taliban. It was so dangerous that some tried (and failed) to murder him.
 
70+ years we have faithfully been your enemy. And this is how you respond. By calling someone else you principal enemy.

Wonder what happened to Andrew Korybko. Generally he writes the articles that are of interest to Pakistan
You are not forgotten.

the real issue is that pakistani state looks at afghanistan as a gravy train. of course the sour grapes are due to the fact the money has stopped coming
Now the orange head has come to his senses, and realized that how will they go back, that is why the US is begging for a meeting.
 
Pakistan should claim Kabul by this logic because Ahmed Shah Abdali was Punjabi (Pakistani) born in Multan in 1772 and not Afghan He is the father of modern Pakhtoons captured Afghanistan and lay the foundation of Dur-rani dynasty So it means a Punjabi Pakhtoons captured whole modern Afghanistan So Afghanistan whole territory belong to Pakistan and not the vice versa

More than often than not in Country to Country relationships, just like the human to human relationships, it is not the logic that rules but the 'Passion'. You may be aware that Afghanistan was the only country that voted against Pakistans' membership application to the United Nations in 1947.

I cannot think of any other reason except that King Zahir Shah did not recognize the Durand line and wanted NWFP (now KPK) to merge with Afghanistan. However, you are welcome to disagree.
 
Writer is forgetting that scores of our soldiers are killed by Iran.
Even a day before the arrival of Imran Khan together with entourage of Iranian puppies.
People on defense.pk have habit of covering up Iranian crimes against Pakistanis who are non sectarian.

Afghanistan draws it's power from Iran, India and US.
Had Pakistan decimated Indian airforce on 27th February, today both Iran and Afghanistan would have been limited to their own skin.
 
70+ years we have faithfully been your enemy. And this is how you respond. By calling someone else you principal enemy.

Wonder what happened to Andrew Korybko. Generally he writes the articles that are of interest to Pakistan
U guys are becoming boring.
 
Afghanistan is Pakistan’s Principal Enemy
Written by Adam Garrie on 2019-07-01

It may seem counter-intuitive to claim that a perennially failed state with illogical borders, an ethno-demographic ticking time bomb for a population and a traditionally ungovernable periphery as the primary enemy of a nuclear armed and exponentially militarily superior neighbouring state. But in the case of the failed state of Afghanistan’s relationship with nuclear Pakistan, this is very much the reality.

Although traditionally India and Pakistan are considered supreme rivals, ultimately, modern Pakistan can handle India’s random acts of aggression as was seen in the aftermath of February’s Pulwama incident. Moreover, if India truly seeks to take its place as a leading global super-economy, it is going to have to start focusing far more on internal development and far less on showing off its military during fruitless skirmishes – whether against Pakistan or against China.

In an age where even the United States under Donald Trump has traded the war marking of the Bush and Obama years for more modest money making initiatives, India will inevitably be pulled into such a path if it is serious about economic development. This will be the case even if this shatters the dreams of the most extreme elements of the ruling BJP whose Akhand Bharat fantasies are unlikely to ever be realised. The fact that India has quietly semi-normalised relations with China in an age where India is moving ever closer to the US proves that there are severe limits to the hyper-nationalism that fills the screens of pro-BJP domestic television.

But unlike India, Afghanistan is a country with little to live for. Its economy is non-existent, its biggest export is violence and its biggest import is foreign war. Such a desperate country whose fledgling leadership continues to fan the flames of regional separatism and Pashtun supremacist ideologies is dangerous even though it is weak. One could go further and say that Afghanistan is dangerous because it is weak.

Recent history has shown that one needn’t rule a rich nor mighty state to export terror. The fact that the groups that have terrorised Pakistan in recent decades have all derived from or have been armed from west of the Durand Line is proof positive of this.

Likewise, whilst Afghanistan has never had a truly sovereign economy, such a broken state in a strategic location will always find some rich foreign patron to exploit it as a pawn in a larger game. This has happened in respect of the British Empire, Soviet Union, India and the United States and it will continue to happen with some other foreign patron even if the US eventually withdraws from the quagmire that George W. Bush inaugurated in 2001.

As such, Afghanistan will continue to exist as a disunited state whose leadership elements can survive only with a negative narrative which seeks to antagonise Pakistan by politically poisoning the people of KP Province whilst the country’s radicals will also continue to threaten Iran by exploiting the naturally pro-Iranian Hazara minority of Afghanistan in attempts to drag Iran into an unnecessary quagmire.

Afghanistan is also a natural soft underbelly for terrorists seeking to infiltrate Russia via central Asia whilst the same can be said of those who wish to cause harm to China via its remote north-western borders.

Because of this, Pakistan needs to diplomatically co-opt elements within Afghanistan that have been and continue to be equally victimised by Kabul regime after Kabul regime. As the Taliban have come in from the cold twenty-five years after Pakistan realised that whilst extreme, the Taliban were the only group that would cease to light fires across the Durand Line, it is now time for Pakistan to do what the United States, Iran, Russia and China have long been doing and positively engage a reformed and moderated Taliban with renewed liens of diplomatic communication. If the US can barely take the current Kabul regime that it created seriously, there is no reason for Pakistan to be more royal than the king in this respect – especially since in Pakistan’s case such a policy would be active masochism masquerading as diplomacy.


In terms of other minorities including Hazaras, Pakistan can work to improve relations with neighbouring Iran by jointly expressing a desire to assure that life for this traditionally oppressed minority in Afghanistan has its collective rights looked out for under a new Afghan regime. The same is true of the Tajiks of Afghanistan whose interests ought to unite the wider Persianate world, the Sunni Muslim world and the wider post-Soviet space in which Russia has key security interests.

Because Afghanistan is a failed state, the US has invited its early 2000s Taliban enemy to the peace table and Russia likewise hosts an Islamist faction that it once considered a supreme enemy following the USSR’s humiliation at the hands of the Mujaheddin. In this sense, Pakistan will have an easier time communicating with the Taliban than those who ironically are communicating more with the Taliban than Pakistan is doing in 2019. Likewise, just as Russia, Iran and the US are talking to former enemies in Afghanistan, Pakistan can also pivot towards providing guidance and support to oppressed naturally pro-Iranian elements in the Afghan state that once viewed Pakistan with suspicion.

This triangulated strategy which cuts out the raging but paradoxically floundering Kabul middleman whilst engaging with important constituent elements of the Afghan failed state is a far better use of Pakistan’s time than its embarrassing attempts to pretend that a regime which refuses to recognise Pakistan’s sovereign borders whilst allowing terror to flow across the Durand Line is some how a regime worthy of redemption let alone of friendship.

If Pakistan does not realise that Afghanistan is its principal enemy whose violent geopolitical characteristics can be tamed only by appealing to politically and ethnically marginalised elements of the Afghan state, Pakistan will have committed a great crime against itself – the crime of foolishness leading to attrition and then to doo
How much truth exist in this topic, can't say. But when I personally meet educated class of Afghans, they complaint that how the Afghanistan destroyed and mainly Pakistani role the destruction of moderate and educated class Afghans. Well, they have lots of valid points. Where we know our military and present govt all realized that we shouldn't be part of other's war first place. We can say Afghan hate us, but we shouldn't forget how much role we played in the destruction of Afghanistan.

More than often than not in Country to Country relationships, just like the human to human relationships, it is not the logic that rules but the 'Passion'. You may be aware that Afghanistan was the only country that voted against Pakistans' membership application to the United Nations in 1947.

I cannot think of any other reason except that King Zahir Shah did not recognize the Durand line and wanted NWFP (now KPK) to merge with Afghanistan. However, you are welcome to disagree.
Durand line is dead donkey in the well. Time after time some lunatic Afghan tweet and try to inject life.
 
70+ years we have faithfully been your enemy. And this is how you respond. By calling someone else you principal enemy.

Wonder what happened to Andrew Korybko. Generally he writes the articles that are of interest to Pakistan
Well you guys didn't killed our PM but Afghans were directly involved in Shadaat of Liaqaith Ali Khan
 
if pakistan was confident of its citizen loyalty you would have ignored Afghanistan
the support for the taliban indicates pakistani state's insecurity
When it comes to the issue of Pushtunistan(as pursued by Afghanistan since the independence of Pakistan)...Pak is confident of its citizens loyalty. The dream of Pushtunistan is dead in the water...has been for decades.

Afghan Taliban aren't supported for that. Afghan Taliban are supported to have a government in Afghanistan that is pro Pak rather than pro India. It would be a nightmare scenario to have two hostile countries on each side simultaneously. Same reason why Pak was uneasy with Soviets sitting in Afghanistan...and it did everything it could to get them out. Every country looks to safeguard its interests...whatever it takes...and in that respect they have all played dirty...it's the way the world works.
 
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