Afghan Soldier Shoots, Wounds at Least Four U.S. Troops

[Dai Toruko]

What are U.S Troops doing in Afghanistan? Oh that's right guarding the poppy fields.

 

[jhungary]

This is problematic development. US should threaten to disband this farce of a force called ANA and leave Afghan government to fend for itself against its enemies, if this nonsense doesn't stops.

I remember one outing when I was tasked with a small group of special force to visit some mountain elder.

We talked about a lot of stuff, but one thing he said we will always remember.

He said, the Taliban shot at them because we are building road and school here, and if the US troop is gone, there will be no Taliban Attack, because there will be no one they want to attack, on the other hand, we need to secure the area to rebuild the country and train their force so they can stand on their own two feet, and without the US help, they cannot go on with their life.

The problem for them is they want to get out of 15th century lifestyle, but to do that, they will have to piss off Taliban, and once they are pissed off, they can't go back and the problem is that we (ISAF) is not pushing the Taliban enough.

However, the problem also replicate in Pakistan as well, the border is not secure (back then, not sure now) and when we push, we push the Taliban back into Pakistan soil, and we can't do jack shit about it, Pakistani may or may not go after these people, but one thing for sure, they always come back, and then we push them back, and they run inside Pakistan illegally, and we cannot pursuit them, and we can do jack shit about it.

What ISAF have done wrong is not establish a complete system to allow a fighting chance in Afghanistan, in another word, ISAF does not unite all the tribe in Afghanistan and form a formidable force that can stand a chance against Taliban. Pashtun didn't get along with Tajik which didn't get along with the Uzbek, and we are asking them to bend together and fight against Taliban? That's not gonna happen.

Another thing we didn't do is that we did not push Taliban hard enough to nullify their affluence in Pakistan, we own the day, but Taliban own the night, we don't even remotely motivated to try to change that. That is the problem why Afghan is a fail state now.

There are only two way out.

NATO Pull back, everything fail, it's none of our business, it will affect the whole region, tribal war, terrorism, civil war, take your pick, and it will most likely spill into neighbour country. But NATO would and could wash their hand. Logically, it is the only reasonable way to go, cut lost, we got what we came for, no point this mess have to become our mess. Let the area rot to hell, I am possibly the first one to put up my hand and say let's do it.

On the other hand, we can try to push Taliban back but with the troop level now, I don't see it coming either, either by some magic all these tribe work together or we need a lot more people than we have over there. And once again fight a war that wasn't related to us anymore. However, that would be the honourable things to do.

Leave or Keep Fighting, I don't know, I don't care actually, for me, I spend 9 months in Afghanistan, got blown to bits and I did my tour, I would much rather sitting in front of my computer freeze my arse off than going back out there, let someone else have a turn.

 

[LeGenD]

I remember one outing when I was tasked with a small group of special force to visit some mountain elder.

We talked about a lot of stuff, but one thing he said we will always remember.

He said, the Taliban shot at them because we are building road and school here, and if the US troop is gone, there will be no Taliban Attack, because there will be no one they want to attack, on the other hand, we need to secure the area to rebuild the country and train their force so they can stand on their own two feet, and without the US help, they cannot go on with their life.

The problem for them is they want to get out of 15th century lifestyle, but to do that, they will have to piss off Taliban, and once they are pissed off, they can't go back and the problem is that we (ISAF) is not pushing the Taliban enough.

However, the problem also replicate in Pakistan as well, the border is not secure (back then, not sure now) and when we push, we push the Taliban back into Pakistan soil, and we can't do jack shit about it, Pakistani may or may not go after these people, but one thing for sure, they always come back, and then we push them back, and they run inside Pakistan illegally, and we cannot pursuit them, and we can do jack shit about it.

What ISAF have done wrong is not establish a complete system to allow a fighting chance in Afghanistan, in another word, ISAF does not unite all the tribe in Afghanistan and form a formidable force that can stand a chance against Taliban. Pashtun didn't get along with Tajik which didn't get along with the Uzbek, and we are asking them to bend together and fight against Taliban? That's not gonna happen.

Another thing we didn't do is that we did not push Taliban hard enough to nullify their affluence in Pakistan, we own the day, but Taliban own the night, we don't even remotely motivated to try to change that. That is the problem why Afghan is a fail state now.

There are only two way out.

NATO Pull back, everything fail, it's none of our business, it will affect the whole region, tribal war, terrorism, civil war, take your pick, and it will most likely spill into neighbour country. But NATO would and could wash their hand. Logically, it is the only reasonable way to go, cut lost, we got what we came for, no point this mess have to become our mess. Let the area rot to hell, I am possibly the first one to put up my hand and say let's do it.

On the other hand, we can try to push Taliban back but with the troop level now, I don't see it coming either, either by some magic all these tribe work together or we need a lot more people than we have over there. And once again fight a war that wasn't related to us anymore. However, that would be the honourable things to do.

Leave or Keep Fighting, I don't know, I don't care actually, for me, I spend 9 months in Afghanistan, got blown to bits and I did my tour, I would much rather sitting in front of my computer freeze my arse off than going back out there, let someone else have a turn.

I think that US needs a new strategy in Afghanistan - a strategy that should be put together with consultations from Think Tanks, veterans and experts who have intricate knowledge of Afghan affairs. If that strategy calls for disbanding ANA and establish a new force, so be it.

US should also be willing to punish those settlements where Taliban retains its presence and/or believed to be strongholds of Taliban; bombard those settlements to oblivion.

 

[Dai Toruko]

The more US lardass homosexual idiots are sent to Afghanistan, Syria and Iraq the more will come back in body bags. US simply can not win and is dying from a death of thousand cuts.

 

[salarsikander]

Ayesha Siddiqa

The author of that rubbish title

 

[Mian Babban]

The more US lardass homosexual idiots are sent to Afghanistan, Syria and Iraq the more will come back in body bags. US simply can not win and is dying from a death of thousand cuts.

Is'nt Turkey also part of NATO's mission in Afghanistan?

http://aa.com.tr/en/todays-headlines/turkey-extends-its-nato-mission-in-afghanistan/719741

 

[Dai Toruko]

Is'nt Turkey also part of NATO's mission in Afghanistan?

http://aa.com.tr/en/todays-headlines/turkey-extends-its-nato-mission-in-afghanistan/719741

What are some of the things that bother you?

 

[CHI RULES]

But they never opened fire on Punjabis because according to online Pashtun nationalists PA is 100% punjabi with some fraction of Pashtuns as foot soldiers.
JOKE ASIDE,.....it has more to do with turmoil today,
Majority of ANA soldiers are Tajiks,Hazars and Uzbaks and special forces are 100% enlisted from NA background.

Still they have some degree of Islamic values in them unlike their govt

 

[Haris Mansoor]

warriors of freedom

hell, not in any sense they are "warriors of freedom"...... but the Taliban are the Freedom Fighter

 

[jhungary]

I think that US needs a new strategy in Afghanistan - a strategy that should be put together with consultations from Think Tanks, veterans and experts who have intricate knowledge of Afghan affairs. If that strategy calls for disbanding ANA and establish a new force, so be it.

US should also be willing to punish those settlements where Taliban retains its presence and/or believed to be strongholds of Taliban; bombard those settlements to oblivion.

I think the US need another reason for them to go settle this.

The last time we go because of Bin Laden, now, he is gone, and all these violence is seems like a far cry for something we have no finger on. There will not be any public support for any sort of "Adjustment" outside the current capacity.

The problem is, we should have reformed the ANA/ANP from ground up, but instead focus on one ethnic group in afghan force, and we have been using this as a core for so long (14 years is quite long) it made a discrepancy between the ANA/ANP and other militia. What Taliban do is what we cannot do, which is to scare these faction into 1 and that in some way, work in Afghanistan because the normal afghan is so used to being in war and dominated by other people, tribe or fraction. So when the American/ISAF went in, we didn't force them and push them into shape, which is a big mistake.

Don't get me wrong, ANA/ANP have some good officer and soldier and in all, it's a competent force, but the number is simply too small to control the whole country, the need to have everyone sit down and talk about it and have all parties and tribe to support a unified Afghanistan is the only way Afghanistan can get rid of the Taliban and ISIS, otherwise it will stay where it was.

And for the US, unless a more appropriate reason for us to reintroduce ourselves in that battlefield, we won't do anything more than we are already doing, and seeing this is a mess even Russia don't want, I don't think the American public now is in any way, shape and form to support another Troop Spike in Afghanistan.

 

[maximuswarrior]

Just notice how the US authorities and her allies are usually mum about these increasing attacks. We will hear about these attacks in a few newspaper headlines. This is because the US plan is to increase the troop presence in Afghanistan. These attacks are bad news for people at home who oppose more troop deployment.

 

[TMA]

I think the US need another reason for them to go settle this.

The last time we go because of Bin Laden, now, he is gone, and all these violence is seems like a far cry for something we have no finger on. There will not be any public support for any sort of "Adjustment" outside the current capacity.

The problem is, we should have reformed the ANA/ANP from ground up, but instead focus on one ethnic group in afghan force, and we have been using this as a core for so long (14 years is quite long) it made a discrepancy between the ANA/ANP and other militia. What Taliban do is what we cannot do, which is to scare these faction into 1 and that in some way, work in Afghanistan because the normal afghan is so used to being in war and dominated by other people, tribe or fraction. So when the American/ISAF went in, we didn't force them and push them into shape, which is a big mistake.

Don't get me wrong, ANA/ANP have some good officer and soldier and in all, it's a competent force, but the number is simply too small to control the whole country, the need to have everyone sit down and talk about it and have all parties and tribe to support a unified Afghanistan is the only way Afghanistan can get rid of the Taliban and ISIS, otherwise it will stay where it was.

And for the US, unless a more appropriate reason for us to reintroduce ourselves in that battlefield, we won't do anything more than we are already doing, and seeing this is a mess even Russia don't want, I don't think the American public now is in any way, shape and form to support another Troop Spike in Afghanistan.

Well maybe if another false flag happens then the powers that be may be able to catalyse public opinion into another troop spike.

 

[flamer84]

LOL what?
That afghan was brave and a SHAHEED to stand up against foreign aggressors on Afghan territory. The day is not far when Afghanistan will break its shackles and cease to serve foreign agendas against its neighbors.

Sry to break it to you terrorist apologizer but you're going to burn in he'll, alongside the coward tallirats and Osama bin tossed into the sea

lol, what were peaceful warriors doing on Afghan soil??

Fighting for freedom against the servants of evil

 

[TMA]

Sry to break it to you terrorist apologizer but you're going to burn in he'll, alongside the coward tallirats and Osama bin tossed into the sea


Fighting for freedom against the servants of evil

One man's servants of evil is anothers servants of good.

 

[H!TchHiker]

What are some of the things that bother you?

leave him...He is Afghan nationalist who prefer Afghanistan more than Pakistan( though he is a citizen of Pakistan by nationality)...He is against turkey due to its supports of Pakistan on issues...