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If 40% are pashtuns then 55% punjabis and rest 5%? Hard to believe that. Minorties now being 1% from 0% also shows as we have seen many minority soldiers being killed over the last decade, including many hindu soldiers from Sindh.

Use some common sense guys.
Well bro I have indicated towards formations,the percentage of Pashtuns is around 30% roughly that also includes those residing in Sindh,last decade has seen sharp rise in sindhi gentry.
After shifting Army Quota to District level,number of soldiers from Punjab has declined sharply,according to new system Punjab will get around 40% representation.

FC/rangers etc are not included in 550,000 (or its 620,000?) active army troops.
Sure that's not but that all debt is due to pashtuns being untreatable or not given enough opportunities.
Pashtuns are loyal soldiers behind all doubt that's why Mughals choose them and then they have served new formed Federation very well.
It seems more mythical than reality. Soil isn't hostile but the people have been turned into a warrior race due to lack of other resources for sustainance in the rugged mountainous terrain.
You are quite right,Afghanistan still is a nightmare from logistics point of view.In absence of enough fertile land and opportunities to earn people's living over there have grown very resilient and ready to take a job for living hood.
 
Well bro I have indicated towards formations,the percentage of Pashtuns is around 30% roughly that also includes those residing in Sindh,last decade has seen sharp rise in sindhi gentry.
After shifting Army Quota to District level,number of soldiers from Punjab has declined sharply,according to new system Punjab will get around 40% representation.

Majority of pashtuns are concentrated in Karachi. I doubt they are being recruited from there but from KPK, FATA and Balochistan. I don't understand how shifting quota to district level changes representation based on population? Without any proof or source it's hard to believe. Pretty much all soldiers from Sindh who have died over the last decade have been either hindus or sindhi muslims.

Since you are not sure about 40% or 30% and there is huge difference between both because we are using % here, looks like you have wrong information.

Sure that's not but that all debt is due to pashtuns being untreatable or not given enough opportunities.
Pashtuns are loyal soldiers behind all doubt that's why Mughals choose them and then they have served new formed Federation very well.
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I'm sure everyone is loyal including hindus who till 2001 were 0% and now many of them have died serving Pakistan. Or Baloch who used to get ignored before 2001 if that ISPR chart is right. Also I found this article from 2010, Kiyani reforms. Looks like Punjabi and Pashtun numbers decreased Sindhi, Baloch and minority increased.

Kayani launches reforms in Pakistan Army
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ISLAMABAD: Army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani has introduced major reforms in the Pakistan Army despite many financial problems, with a major shift in the profile of who will be recruited more than others.
The Army has started decreasing the number of Punjabis and Pashtuns in fresh recruitments and adopted the policy of encouraging Baloch, Sindhis and religious minorities for making an ethnic balance.

The Pakistan Army has a total number of 480,000 troops. Currently, the percentage of Punjabis in Pakistan Army is 55.82 per cent, Pakhtuns 15.42 per cent, Baloch 2.34 per cent, Sindhis 15.09 per cent and people from Azad Kashmir/Gilgit-Baltistan are 8.48 per cent. The number of non-Muslims in the Pakistan Army is just 0.43 per cent.

The GHQ has set a new target of decreasing the number of Punjabis from 55.82 per cent to 54.50 per cent, number of Pashtuns will come down to 14.50 per cent from 15.42 per cent while the number of Baloch will increase from 2.34 per cent to 4 per cent, Sindhis will increase from 15.09 percent to 17 per cent and recruits from Azad Kashmi/Gilgit-Baltistan will increase to 9 per cent from 8.48 percent by the year 2011. The number of non-Muslims will also increase from 0.43 per cent to 1 per cent by the next year.

This year, 3,350 Baloch got commission in the Army and 5,000 more Baloch are ready to get fresh commissions. The GHQ has especially relaxed many terms and conditions only for Baloch so that they may easily join the Army. General Kayani will inaugurate a new cadet college in Sui early next year. The geographical location of this new cadet college will not only facilitate the Baloch but will also help the young Sindhis and Seraikis from south Punjab to join the Pakistan Army.

It has been learnt that there is a sharp rise in the number of youngsters who applied for getting a commission in the Pakistan Army in the last two years, which indicates that this institution improved its reputation in recent years. The Pakistan Army played an important role in the last two years in defeating the Taliban in Swat and helping victims of floods a few weeks back.

Currently, more than 147,000 troops are deployed on western borders, including tribal areas, 100,000 troops are guarding areas bordering India, 10,000 troops are busy in the UN duties outside Pakistan, and 16,000 troops are busy in training while only 62,600 troops are enjoying rest in cantonments.

According to some observers, the Army is already over stretched and it needs some expansion but defence sources claimed that the overall size of the Army would not be increased. Many people think that salaries of Army soldiers and officers were increased recently and therefore, the Army had once again become very attractive for the lower and middle class youth but in reality increase in salaries had created many problems for the GHQ.
Few people are aware that the defence budget is on the decrease. It was 19 per cent of the GDP in 2006-7 but it is 16 per cent of the GDP in the financial year of 2010-11. The Pakistan Army is getting 46.83 per cent of the total defence budget while the rest is going to Air Force, Navy and the Ministry of Defense.

The total defence budget was 3.9 billion dollars in 2003-4 but this year only 2.7 billion dollars were allocated for defence spending.
Last year, the Army was spending 56 per cent on establishment and salaries, 17 per cent on military operations, 44 per cent on sustenance and 10 per cent on maintenance. When the government increased the salaries without increasing the overall defence budget, the GHQ was forced to decrease its spending on sustenance and maintenance and this year the Army is spending 62 per cent on establishment and salaries.
This burden clearly created problems for the operational capabilities of the Army. This is one of the reasons that Pakistan Army is reluctant in starting a new operation in North Waziristan despite the fact that a big number of troops are already deployed in that area.

Sources claimed that the US and Nato forces had decreased their troops from areas of Paktia, Paktika and Kunar bordering North Waziristan and Bajaur. Pakistan Army commanders think if they start a new operation, the militants will easily get refuge in Afghanistan and there will be no use of spending money on a big operation.
An Indian national was arrested by the Pakistan Army on November 25 from the Janikhel area, which is very close to North Waziristan. He entered the NWA from Afghanistan very easily and there are apprehensions that militants active in the NWA are getting indirect help from the Indians based in eastern Afghanistan.
It is also interesting to note that Pakistan received more than 10 billion dollars from the US between 2002 and 2008 but the Pakistan Army received only 1.6 billion dollars. The government of Pervez Musharraf gave more money to civilian authorities than the Army.

Pakistan received 2.8 billion dollars after April 2008 from the US out of which the Army received just half the amount. According to defence experts, Pakistan is spending 7,818 dollars annually on one Army soldier while India is spending 27,171 dollars on each soldier. India has no major deployments on the borders of China and Bangladesh. The major chunk of the Indian Army is deployed along Pakistan borders, which is a matter of serious concern for the Pakistan Army commanders who have been forced by the US to focus more on the western borders rather than the eastern borders.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/archive/print/610283-kayani-launches-reforms-in-pakistan-army

here is another article from 2014
Federalizing the armed forces
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Zafarullah Khan
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TFT Issue: 19 Sep 2014
A report presented in parliament shows the military’s efforts to change their Punjabi-dominated composition and become more inclusive

After the passage of historic 18th Constitutional amendment, an editorial of monthly Hilal – a magazine published by the Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) – marketed Pakistan’s armed forces as a true federal institution. Critics have always described Pakistan’s military as a ‘Punjab dominated institution’ in terms of their composition, soul and spirit. In 2007, an information brief by the ISPR certified that in 2001 Punjabis comprised over 71 percent of the army.

However, the annual report on observance and implementation of Principles of Policy (Article 29-40) in relation to the affairs of the federation (2011-12) laid before the Parliament in August 2014 comes as a pleasant surprise. The Article 39 of Constitution says that, “The State shall enable people from all parts of Pakistan to participate in the Armed Forces of Pakistan.” Unlike justice-able Fundamental Rights (Article 8-28) the implementation of Principles of Policy is dependent on availability of resources.

The report prepared by the Cabinet Division headed by the prime minister conveys a loud and clear message about the well thought out inclusive attempts to federalize the citizens in uniform. Unlike the prestigious civil services, there is no constitutionally guaranteed quota for the recruitment of people from various provinces in the armed forces. Nevertheless, affirmative action had been taken in the past. For example in July 1980, Sindh Regiment was raised to recruit Sindhis and pacify emerging resentment due to the Movement for the Restoration of Democracy against General Zia. In recent past, through similar affirmative action, about 10,000 officers and soldiers have been recruited from the troubled Balochistan since 2010.

The report highlights the various steps taken to ensure the participation of people from all parts of the country in the armed forces. These efforts included focused awareness campaigns and special incentives such as two-year waivers in the upper age limit and 10 to 20 percent relaxation in college scores for the candidates from rural areas of Sindh, Balochistan, Azad Jammu and Kashmir, Gilgit-Baltistan, the Federally Administered Tribal Areas and the Provincially Administered Tribal Areas.

Whatsoever is the current composition of the armed forces today, the strategy adopted during the reporting period – from July 1, 2011 to June 30, 2012 – for recruitment indicates that in the near future, we will have federalized citizens in uniform. An analysis of recruitment figures reveals that the largest province Punjab still sends the maximum number of officers (1,018, or 59 percent) to Kakul (Pakistan Military Academy) and Risalpur (Air Force Academy). However, Sindh provides more officers than Punjab to Pakistan Navy. Khyber Pakhtunkhwa remains second in the list for Pakistan Army and Pakistan Air Force. The story of 48,639 soldiers, sailors and airmen recruited during 2011-12 is a replica of the pattern of officers’ induction.

Out of 1,379 army officers, only 55 were from Balochistan
The share of Balochistan in terms of officers in Pakistan Army still remains the lowest, at four percent. Out of 1,379 recruited officers only 55 were from Balochistan. In Pakistan Navy, out of 173 officers recruited during the period only 10 (6%) and in Pakistan Air Force out of the 171 officers only 7 (4%) were from Balochistan. In overall terms the share of Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan remains the lowest in Pakistan Navy (2%) and Pakistan Air Force (3.5%) in officer ranks.

Traditionally, women have performed medical, educational and public relations work in all the three branches of the armed forces. It was only in 2007 that they were recruited for combat positions. However, the report does not offer any gender segregated data to portray the emerging picture. Similarly the citizens of other faiths (non-Muslims) are entitled to join the armed forces, but the report does not offer any information about their inclusion.

The armed forces also recruit many civilians for various tasks. “All these recruitments strictly observe provincial and regional quotas as prescribed for all other civil departments,” the report says.

The report claims that the affirmative action and incentivized initiatives have resulted in many positive effects, including national integration and an improved image of the armed forces. The newly inducted officers and soldiers, as per this policy, are a source of inspiration for potential candidates from the backward areas.

One can hope that this positive awakening and concerted efforts and attempts to federalize the armed forces will cement federal bonds and alleviate the feelings of exclusion.
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/tft/federalizing-the-armed-forces/
 
Rest in peace brave souls,warriors of freedom killed by cowards who stab in the back.
LOL what?
That afghan was brave and a SHAHEED to stand up against foreign aggressors on Afghan territory. The day is not far when Afghanistan will break its shackles and cease to serve foreign agendas against its neighbors.
 
The US will die inside Afghanistan. The Russians have learned their lesson. Now it's the United States turn.

Bro that time ISI trained them!
Now Ashraf is begging RAWs.
Afghanistan is in danger

Everyone learns too late that these are not good investments Afghans.

Its like everyday you make a new enemy there.

That's why the most powerful come here to see if they are resilient enough. Nature trolled earth with Afghanistan.


Afghanistan will be USA soon.. Isnt it bro? From the conditions
 
Putting more resources into Afghanistan is a fool's errand for US. Pull all troops out and let the chips fall where they may. Let SCO countries deal with it given that it's happening in their own backyard.
A sane statement on afghanistan by an indian is a rare commodity ... much appreciated comment ...
 
Majority of pashtuns are concentrated in Karachi. I doubt they are being recruited from there but from KPK, FATA and Balochistan. I don't understand how shifting quota to district level changes representation based on population? Without any proof or source it's hard to believe. Pretty much all soldiers from Sindh who have died over the last decade have been either hindus or sindhi muslims.

Since you are not sure about 40% or 30% and there is huge difference between both because we are using % here, looks like you have wrong information.
I have indicated towards formations not over all Army.Allocating quota on district base is based on population for example Punjab has let's say 8 crore population out of 20 crore In Pakistan,it's going to get around 40%,you can check that from nearest ASRC.What has made pashtuns case different here is there huge population in Balochistan and large pockets of it in Sindh.In that whole system Pashtuns are one who are getting enlisted from all over Pakistan,due to there presence in whole Pakistan and holding of a valid domicile.
Some units let's a certain unit of Punjab regiment will have around 40% gentry of Pashtuns while a unit from sindh regiment or an armored unit may have less as 20%.
 
This is problematic development. US should threaten to disband this farce of a force called ANA and leave Afghan government to fend for itself against its enemies, if this nonsense doesn't stops.
 
LOL what?
That afghan was brave and a SHAHEED to stand up against foreign aggressors on Afghan territory. The day is not far when Afghanistan will break its shackles and cease to serve foreign agendas against its neighbors.
So you think Afghans hate Pakistan because of Western powers brainwashing them or something? Lol
It's funny to see some Pakistanis thinking the U.S is in Afghanistan just because the U.S wants to break up Pakistan, take out its nuclear weapons and destroy Pakistan. Lol I have seen that here a few times. I don't understand the logic behind this thinking. Has Pakistan ever been hostile to the U.S? No. If anything both sides gave enjoyed close military Tues for decades(from Soviet Afghan war era to war on terror) and have normal relations. So what's the point of invading Afghanistan to topple the Taliban /Al Qaeda post 9/11 got to do with destroying/targeting Pakistan?
Pakistan and it's government are not a hostile state to the U.S/West( they have never been) to necessitate such a crucial war in Afghanistan. It's not even close to being a priority for the U.S to carry out such actions to be honest.

This is problematic development. US should threaten to disband this farce of a force called ANA and leave Afghan government to fend for itself against its enemies, if this nonsense doesn't stops.
Yes, it's indeed a dilemma. If the U.S and NATO forces were to leave Afghanistan the Taliban might gain more foothold and this might lead to an even bigger war and division of the country in case the war drags on and other rebel and terrorists groups like ISIS/Uzbeks/Al Qaeda etc will use this lawlessness and conflict/chaos to increase their foothold in the country, this might also lead to even more instability and spill over into neighbouring countries, since regional powers will also start getting involved to support the side they deem is better for their national interests.
So, I think it's a tricky situation. However, I think it's still better for the NATO to withdraw , while supporting the Afghan government militarily and economically. Even so, we can't tell how things will end up, you can't force people of a country to develop or adopt to the modern world the way you will like then to. If they are happy with their life the way it is(or was under the Taliban and not allowing girls to go to school etc) then I believe it's better to let them carry on with it.
Afterall, after the Korean war U.S/NATO never forced S.Koreans to strive to develop themselves and move out of the backwardness and poverty(they were far poorer than many Subsaharan African countries like Ghana, Ivory coast etc back then) the country was suffering from. S.Koreans themselves wanted to move forward as a nation, so the U S/West just had to give them a helping hand in some sectors.

So no matter how much you try, you can't change a country if the people don't want that change .:)
 
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@DESERT FIGHTER here is the "information brief" 2007 released by ISPR


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How many of the Punjabis are actually Punjabis?

So you think Afghans hate Pakistan because of Western powers brainwashing them or something?
It's funny to see some Pakistanis thinking the U.S is in Afghanistan just because the U.S wants to break up Pakistan, take out its nuclear weapons and destroy Pakistan. I have seen that here a few times. I don't understand the logic behind this thinking. Has Pakistan ever been hostile to the U.S? No. If anything both sides gave enjoyed close military Tues for decades(from Soviet Afghan war era to war on terror) and have normal relations. So what's the point of invading Afghanistan to topple the Taliban /Al Qaeda post 9/11 got to do with destroying/targeting Pakistan?
Pakistan and it's government are not a hostile state to the U.S/West to necessitate such a crucial war in Afghanistan. It's not even close to being a priority for the U.S to carry out such actions to be honest.


Yes, it's indeed a dilemma. If the U.S and NATO forces were to leave Afghanistan the Taliban might gain more foothold and this might lead to an even bigger war and division of the country in case the war drags on and as other rebel and terrorists groups like ISIS use this lawlessness and conflict/chaos to increase their foothold in the country, this might also lead to instability and spill over into neighbouring countries, since regional powers will also start getting involved to support the side they deem is better for their national interests.
So, I think it's a tricky situation. However, I think it's better for the NATO to withdraw , while supporting the Afghan government militarily and economically. Even so, we can't tell how things will end up, you can't force people of a country to develop or adapt the ways you like them to. If they are happy with their life the say it was then I believe it's better to let them carry on with it. Afterall, after the Korean war U.S/NATO never forced S.Koreans to strive to develop themselves and move out of the poverty/backwardness they were under, S.Koreans themselves wanted to move forward as a nation, so the U S/West just had to help the country in this endeavour.

So no matter how you try, you can't change a country if the people don't want that change .:)
It is the Israeli-firsters who wish to de-nuclearize Pakistan. Of course Pakistan is no threat to the US but Pakistan is a potential threat to the expansionist designs of Israel's messianic mission. And the Israeli-firsters have a common ally in Bharat for this purpose, as a denuclearized Pakistan would be beneficial for Bharat's hegemonic aspirations. A convergence of interests. No doubt they are back to the drawing board.
Also it does not help when one has an insincere leader like Nawaz or Zardari.
 
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