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Nato says an Afghan soldier has shot and killed four coalition troops in eastern Afghanistan.

Nato said in a statement that the suspected shooter has been apprehended.

The troops were killed on Friday but their nationalities are not known and no other details have been released.

Afghan soldiers and police officers have turned on Nato forces in the past, further endangering the partnership between the developing Afghan national security force and international troops.

Afghan soldier shoots dead four Nato troops | World news | The Guardian

R.I.P. to the dead - serious problems if Afghanistani soldiers trained by Nato are shooting Nato forces?
 
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Nato says an Afghan soldier has shot and killed four coalition troops in eastern Afghanistan.

Nato said in a statement that the suspected shooter has been apprehended.

The troops were killed on Friday but their nationalities are not known and no other details have been released.

Afghan soldiers and police officers have turned on Nato forces in the past, further endangering the partnership between the developing Afghan national security force and international troops.

Afghan soldier shoots dead four Nato troops | World news | The Guardian

R.I.P. to the dead - serious problems if Afghanistani soldiers trained by Nato are shooting Nato forces?
Nato should get themselves out of Afghanistan they conquered the a country and now people of that country are fighting back
 
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I guess the Americans will need to rephrase such terminologies as say collateral damage or blue on blue.
 
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By MATTHEW ROSENBERG

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KABUL, Afghanistan — American and other coalition forces here are being killed in increasing numbers by the very Afghan soldiers they fight alongside and train, in attacks motivated by deep-seated animosity between the supposedly allied forces, according to American and Afghan officers and a classified coalition report obtained by The New York Times.
A decade into the war in Afghanistan, the report makes clear that these killings have become the most visible symptom of a far deeper ailment plaguing the war effort: the contempt each side holds for the other, never mind the Taliban. The ill will and mistrust run deep among civilians and militaries on both sides, raising questions about what future role the United States and its allies can expect to play in Afghanistan.
The violence, and the failure by coalition commanders to address it, casts a harsh spotlight on the shortcomings of American efforts to build a functional Afghan Army, a pillar of the Obama administration’s strategy for extricating the United States from the war in Afghanistan, said the officers and experts who helped shape the strategy.
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The problems risk leaving the United States and its allies dependent on an Afghan force that is permeated by anti-Western sentiment and incapable of combating the Taliban and other militants when NATO’s combat mission ends in 2014, they said.
One instance of the general level of antipathy in the war exploded into uncomfortable view last week when video emerged of American Marines urinating on dead Taliban fighters. Although American commanders quickly took action and condemned the act, chat-room and Facebook posts by Marines and their supporters were full of praise for the desecration.
'Not rare or isolated'
But the most troubling fallout has been the mounting number of Westerners killed by their Afghan allies, events that have been routinely dismissed by American and NATO officials as isolated episodes that are the work of disturbed individual soldiers or Taliban infiltrators, and not indicative of a larger pattern. The unusually blunt report, which was prepared for a subordinate American command in eastern Afghanistan, takes a decidedly different view.
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“Lethal altercations are clearly not rare or isolated; they reflect a rapidly growing systemic homicide threat (a magnitude of which may be unprecedented between ‘allies’ in modern military history),” it said. Official NATO pronouncements to the contrary “seem disingenuous, if not profoundly intellectually dishonest,” said the report, and it played down the role of Taliban infiltrators in the killings.
The coalition refused to comment on the classified report. But “incidents in the recent past where Afghan soldiers have wounded or killed I.S.A.F. members are isolated cases and are not occurring on a routine basis,” said Lt. Col. Jimmie E. Cummings Jr. of the Army, a spokesman for the American-led International Security Assistance Force. “We train and are partnered with Afghan personnel every day and we are not seeing any issues or concerns with our relationships.”
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The numbers appear to tell a different story. Although NATO does not release a complete tally of its forces’ deaths at the hands of Afghan soldiers and the police, the classified report and coalition news releases indicate that Afghan forces have attacked American and allied service members nearly three dozen times since 2007.
Two members of the French Foreign Legion and one American soldier were killed in separate episodes in the past month, according to statements by NATO. The classified report found that between May 2007 and May 2011, when it was completed, at least 58 Western service members were killed in 26 separate attacks by Afghan soldiers and the police nationwide. Most of those attacks have occurred since October 2009. This toll represented 6 percent of all hostile coalition deaths during that period, the report said.
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“The sense of hatred is growing rapidly,” said an Afghan Army colonel. He described his troops as “thieves, liars and drug addicts,” but also said that the Americans were “rude, arrogant bullies who use foul language.”
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Senior commanders largely manage to keep their feelings in check, said the officer, who asked not to be named so he could speak openly. But the officer said, “I am afraid it will turn into a major problem in the near future in the lower ranks of both armies.”
Cultural training
There have been successes, especially among the elite Afghan commandos and coalition Special Operations forces, most of whom have undergone in-depth cultural training and speak at least some Dari and Pashto, the two main languages spoken in Afghanistan. But, as highlighted by the classified report, familiarity in most cases appears to have mainly bred contempt — and that, in turn, has undercut the benefits of pairing up the forces.
The problem has also featured in classified reports tracking progress in the war effort, most of which are far more negative than the public declarations of progress, said an American officer, who asked not to be identified because he was discussing secret information.
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“If you get two 18-year-olds from two different cultures and put them in New York, you get a gang fight,” said Anthony H. Cordesman, a defense expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington who has advised the American military on its Afghan strategy.
“What you have here are two very different cultures with different values,” he said in a telephone interview. “They treat each other with contempt.”
The United States soldier was killed this month when an Afghan soldier opened fire on Americans playing volleyball at a base in the southern province of Zabul. The assailant was quickly gunned down. The deadliest single incident came last April when an Afghan Air Force colonel, Ahmed Gul, killed eight unsuspecting American officers and a contractor with shots to the head inside their headquarters.
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He then killed himself after writing “God in your name” and “God is one” in blood on the walls of the base, according to an Air Force investigation of the incident released this week.
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In a 436-page report, the Air Force investigators said the initial coalition explanation for the attack — stress brought on by financial problems — was only a small part of Colonel Gul’s motivation. His primary motive was hatred of the United States, and he planned the attack to kill as many Americans as possible, the investigators said.
There have been no reported instances of Americans’ killing Afghan soldiers, although a rogue group of United States soldiers killed three Afghan civilians for sport in 2010. Yet there is ample evidence of American disregard for Afghans. After the urination video circulated, a number of those who had served in Afghanistan took to Facebook and other Web sites to cheer on their compatriots, describing Afghans of all stripes in harsh terms.
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Many messages were posted on public forums, others in private message strings. One private exchange was provided to The Times by a participant in the conversation; the names of those posting matched those on record as having served in the Marine Corps. In that conversation, a former Marine said he thought the video was “pretty awesome.” Another said he hoped it would happen more often.
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RIP to the dead.

I don't know how they will ever gain the loyalty of the locals.
 
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Breaking news............... The four soldiers were French - apparently they are pulling out ALL troops with immediate effect.... will update in a bit

---------- Post added at 03:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:20 PM ----------

Four French troops die in Afghanistan shooting

Four French troops have been killed in northern Afghanistan after a soldier from the Afghan National Army opened fire, local officials say.

Sixteen more members of the French armed forces were injured in the incident in the Tagab district of Kapisa province, north of Kabul.

The Afghan soldier has been arrested by the French.

President Nicolas Sarkozy said France was suspending its training programmes in Afghanistan following the attack.

According to AFP, the president said that the question of an early French withdrawal from the country is being considered.
An Afghan official told the BBC: "This is a tragic incident, a sad and tragic day for us and for Nato."

Nato confirmed in a statement that four of its troops had been killed, and that a suspect had been apprehended, but gave no further details.

Incidents of Nato soldiers being shot by their Afghan colleagues have increased in recent months.

In a separate development, a Nato helicopter has crashed in southern Afghanistan killing six troops. The nationalities of those killed has not been disclosed, but they are believed to be American.

The Taliban have claimed responsibility for that incident, but a spokesman for the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan said there was no enemy activity in the area at the time.
Five French soldiers were killed by a suicide bomb while on patrol in the Tagab district of Kapisa in July 2011.

French troops have been part of the Nato-led operation in Afghanistan since 2001 and currently has 3,600 troops involved in its operations there.

President Sarkozy announced in July that 1,000 troops would be withdrawn from the country by the end of 2012.

BBC News - Four French troops die in Afghanistan shooting
 
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France suspends training for #Afghan troops after 4 French soldiers shot dead by Afghan soldier... bbc
 
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Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- Allied forces suffered a day of heavy losses in Afghanistan Friday after a helicopter crash killed six U.S. Marines and an attack killed four French soldiers, prompting Paris to consider an early troop withdrawal.

The Marines died after their CH-53 helicopter crashed in Helmand province, a U.S. military official said. The NATO-led force reported no enemy activity in the area, but the Taliban claimed credit for bringing down the chopper.

Separately, an Afghan soldier killed four French soldiers and injured 15 others, one critically, in eastern Afghanistan, French officials said. President Nicolas Sarkozy said he was suspending French training operations and combat help as a result.

"The French army is not in Afghanistan to be shot at by Afghan soldiers," he said.

France could bring its troops back early from Afghanistan if the necessary security is not restored, Sarkozy said. France has 3,935 troops in Afghanistan, according NATO's International Security Assistance Force.

Sarkozy will send French Defense Minister Gerard Longuet to Afghanistan, he said.

"It was during a training session inside the base that a shooter killed four of our soldiers. This is unacceptable and demands a full investigation," Longuet said.

A French official told CNN the French troops were unarmed as they were inside their base, conducting normal training operations with their Afghan partners.

The official, who was not authorized to speak to the media, said 15 soldiers were injured.

The attack in Kapisa province follows a similar shooting last month by an Afghan soldier that killed two French soldiers serving in an engineers' regiment, also in eastern Afghanistan.

Friday's suspected shooter, who was a member of the Afghan National Army, has been apprehended, according to an ISAF statement.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai said he was deeply saddened by incident.

"France has been generous to provide extensive assistance to Afghanistan over the past 10 years," Karzai said. "Throughout history, the two countries have enjoyed a sincere relationship, which the Afghan people will always cherish."

Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid called the attack "sensible."

"This was the latest attack by those sensible and zealous Afghans who have entered the enemy's army and it was also the best one so far as it killed more soldiers than any other such attacks before,' Mujahid said.

Responding to last month's shooting, Sarkozy stressed his country's "determination to continue working within the International Security Assistance Force to restore peace and stability in that country and contribute to its development."

NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen paid tribute to those killed and injured Friday, saying it was a "very sad day" for ISAF troops in Afghanistan and for France.

"Such tragic incidents are terrible and grab headlines, but they are isolated," he said. "The reality is that every day, 130,000 ISAF troops from 50 nations fight and train with over 300,000 Afghan soldiers. That takes a lot of trust among a lot of soldiers.

"We have the same goal. An Afghanistan that is responsible for its own security. That is what Afghans want. And we remain committed to helping Afghans."

ISAF spokesman Lt. Col. Jimmie Cummings also played down the threat, saying, "We train and are partnered with Afghan personnel every day, and we are not seeing any issues or concerns with our relationships."

Friday's shooting was the latest in a series of attacks on NATO forces by members of the Afghan army.

In October, a gunman wearing an Afghan army uniform turned his weapon on coalition forces during training, killing three and wounding several others. The shooter was killed in the incident in southern Afghanistan.

Meanwhile, the cause of the helicopter crash, which happened around midnight Kabul time, is still under investigation, ISAF said.

There was no enemy activity in the area when the helicopter went down in Helmand, said Col. Gary Kolb, an ISAF spokesman.

The Taliban claimed responsibility Friday for bringing down the helicopter.

Qari Yousuf Ahmadi, a Taliban spokesman, told CNN via text message: "A Chinook was shot down in Zubair Karez area, between Musa Qala and Zamin Dawar in southern Helmand province, and a number of foreigners traveling in it were killed."

NATO is scheduled to withdraw its forces from Afghanistan by the end of 2014.

Many ISAF members are involved in missions to train and support Afghan forces as they prepare to take on greater security responsibilities.
 
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Four French soldiers have been killed in northern Afghanistan after a serviceman from the Afghan National Army opened fire, officials say.

Another 16 French soldiers were injured, some seriously, in the incident in Kapisa province.

An official told the BBC that an Afghan non-commissioned officer got into a "verbal clash" and opened fire.

President Nicolas Sarkozy said France was suspending its training programmes in Afghanistan following the attack.

He was sending his Defence Minister Gerard Longuet to the country immediately, he said.
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image of Hugh Schofield Hugh Schofield BBC News, Paris

President Sarkozy used very tough language to condemn the attack.

French soldiers, he said, were in Afghanistan to help their allies.

"We cannot accept that a single one of our troops should be killed or wounded by those allies," he said.

The president said that Defence Minister Gerard Longuet will on his return from Afghanistan deliver a report on security conditions there for French troops.

If these are not satisfactory, he said, then the question of an early withdrawal of French troops from Afghanistan will be on the table.

Q&A: Foreign forces in Afghanistan

Mr Sarkozy said that the question of an early French withdrawal from Afghanistan would arise if security conditions were not re-established.

He said it was unacceptable for French troops to be fired on by their allies.

A Taliban spokesman said it was not clear if the attacker was a member of their group but described him as a "conscientious Afghan soldier".
'Murdered'

Thursday's incident, in the Tagab district, took place at 08:00 local time (03:30 GMT), according to French media reports.

"We understand that during a fitness exercise some of our soldiers were suddenly attacked by an Afghan soldier, so they were unarmed," French foreign ministry spokesman Bernard Valero told the BBC.

"They were murdered. It was impossible for them, first of all, to know what was going to happen and secondly to react to this aggression," he added.

The attack brings to 82 the total number of French personnel killed in Afghanistan since 2001.

An Afghan official told the BBC: "This is a tragic incident, a sad and tragic day for us and for Nato." The Afghan soldier was arrested by the French, he said.

Nato confirmed in a statement that four of its personnel had been killed, and that a suspect had been apprehended, but gave no further details.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai released a statement conveying "his deepest condolences and sympathy to the French president, families of the victims and to the French people".

The relationship between the two countries was "historic" and "honest," and a source of happiness, he said. President Karzai is due to meet Mr Sarkozy in Paris next week.

The BBC's Bilal Sarwary in Kabul says there has been an increasing number of incidents involving Afghan soldiers turning their weapons on Nato forces.

The Afghan government has failed to come up with a solution or a strategy to prevent such attacks, he says.
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Recent Afghan 'turncoat' attacks

9 January 2012: US soldier killed by Afghan in army uniform
29 December 2011: Two French troops killed by Afghan soldier
29 October: Three Australian troops killed by man in Afghan army uniform
4 August: Nato soldier killed by Afghan in police uniform
16 July: Nato member killed by Afghan army soldier

Anatomy of an Afghan 'turncoat' killer

Three weeks ago two members of the French Foreign Legion were shot dead by an Afghan National Army soldier, also in Kapisa province.

Five French soldiers were killed by a suicide bomb while on patrol in the Tagab district of Kapisa in July 2011.

That was the heaviest loss of French life in Afghanistan since 10 soldiers were killed in a Taliban ambush in the Sarobi area, east of Kabul, in August 2008.

2011 was France's bloodiest year in Afghanistan with the loss of 26 personnel. The risks faced by French forces have increased as the areas of the country where they are stationed have become less stable.
'Difficult decision'

French troops have been part of the Nato-led operation in Afghanistan since 2001, and the country currently has 3,600 troops there.

President Sarkozy announced in July that 1,000 troops would be withdrawn from the country by the end of 2012, ahead of full Nato withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2014.
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Mr Sarkozy faces re-election this year and the loss of French life in Afghanistan is a highly politically sensitive issue in France.

The socialist challenger for the presidency, Francois Hollande - who is ahead of Mr Sarkozy in opinion polls - has reiterated his position that he would withdraw French troops by the end of the year, if elected.

A senior commander with the Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) in Kabul said he was speechless at the prospect of a potential French withdrawal. France is one of the few members of Isaf to have more than 1,000 troops in Afghanistan.

Commenting on the gun attack, Nato Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said such incidents were relatively rare.

"The reality is that every day, 130,000 Isaf troops from 50 nations fight and train with over 300,000 Afghan soldiers. That takes a lot of trust among a lot of soldiers," he said.

In a separate development, a Nato helicopter has crashed in southern Afghanistan killing six soldiers. The nationalities of those killed has not been disclosed but they are believed to be American.

The Taliban said they killed the soldiers, but an Isaf spokesman said there was no enemy activity in the area at the time.
 
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Condolences to the families of the soldiers and French people.


France suspends training for #Afghan troops after 4 French soldiers shot dead by Afghan soldier... bbc
Afghanistan needs all the support it can get despite this incident, let hope the French re-consider their decision.
 
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