Afghan president Hamid Karzai hands India weapons 'wish list'

[Kompromat]

Its better if we get a glimpase of our relationship with Afghanistan now than later. India is interfering in our neighborhood not Pakistan doing it in India's. Afghanistans future will be written by the stakeholders,not by itself.

 

[arp2041]

Its better if we get a glimpase of our relationship with Afghanistan now than later. India is interfering in our neighborhood not Pakistan doing it in India's. Afghanistans future will be written by the stakeholders,not by itself.

Sorry...But do You OWN Afghanistan??

Afghanistan is a Free Country, it can do whatever it deems right for it's national interests......

You are talking like an IMPERIALIST.

As far as STAKEHOLDERS are concerned.....India is one of them.....weather you like it or not.

 

[Markus]

Sorry...But do You OWN Afghanistan??

Afghanistan is a Free Country, it can do whatever it deems right for it's national interests......

You are talking like an IMPERIALIST.

He is partly right.

For quite some time now, outsiders have decided Afghanistan's fate, and with 2014 withdrawal, chances of Afghanistan falling back to chaos are very high.

 

[OrionHunter]

sovereign nations president arent installed and protected by Americans from their own people . sovereign nations can't stay a nation when majority of its population is excluded from forming a government.

Like your military men who have ruled sovereign Pakistan for most of the time from Major General Iskander Mirza to Mush who were installed and protected by the 'hand of God' - the great Americans. Never mind if democracy and its institutions were smothered in Pakistan.


America cares a fig as long as it suits their national interests. You guys have been taken for a ride by the Yanks since 1947!

 

[arp2041]

He is partly right.

For quite some time now, outsiders have decided Afghanistan's fate, and with 2014 withdrawal, chances of Afghanistan falling back to chaos are very high.

I have some important point to make:

1. Post 9/11 Afghanistan has changed forever....It can never go back to Pre 9/11 days.

2. Yes, Taliban can retain some Power, but not ABSOLUTE power like Pre 9/11.

3. This time Geo-Politics is different & STAKES are very high......Major Powers like China, Russia, India, US have invested in Afghanistan & NO ONE wants Taliban back & they will do everything possible to stop that from happening to guard there investments.

4. This time ANA is much more stronger & can fight Taliban better.

5. Last but not the Least, US is going NOWHERE......it will just minimize it's presence Post-2014, but will retain crucial bases with atleast 10k soldiers in Afghanistan till 2024.

 

[RoYaL~GuJJaR]

Its better if we get a glimpase of our relationship with Afghanistan now than later. India is interfering in our neighborhood not Pakistan doing it in India's. Afghanistans future will be written by the stakeholders,not by itself.

Actually, India is not the problem here, the bold part of your post is, India is not going at the door of Afghanistan to offer arms for free, Its the president of a sovereign nation called as Afghanistan who is in New Delhi currently. And this makes it a matter between two Independent sovereign states and pakistan holds no veto over this.

And about interference in your neighborhood, every country works according to its own interests, if pakistan see her interest in destabilizing Afghanistan via Taliban by uprooting the current regime, Then India looks forward for her own interest in stabilizing the afghan regime by strengthening the ANA,and as the saying goes, a strong and stable Afghanistan is in our interest and we are working on it.

 

[Markus]

I have some important point to make:

1. Post 9/11 Afghanistan has changed forever....It can never go back to Pre 9/11 days.

2. Yes, Taliban can retain some Power, but not ABSOLUTE power like Pre 9/11.

3. This time Geo-Politics is different & STAKES are very high......Major Powers like China, Russia, India, US have invested in Afghanistan & NO ONE wants Taliban back & they will do everything possible to stop that from happening to guard there investments.

4. Last but not the Least, US is going NOWHERE......it will just minimize it's presence Post-2014, but will retain crucial presence with atleast 10k soldiers in Afghanistan till 2024.

Do you know why the US is shifting its forces out of Afghanistan even when more than half of Afghanistan is still under Taliban control?

When you will decode the answer to the above question, you will understand how unlucky Afghanistan has really been!

 

[assassin123]

89 to 90 % of indians worry about food yet Indian government buying air craft carriers whats your point.(dont take what i said out of context)

according to pakistanis 99.99% of indian population is poor, the reality is 28% and indian members have been telling this in pdf all the time yet you guys never learn.
indian government has got money so we buy a lot of military hardware and yet it is less than 2% of our gdp

 

[kaykay]

according to pakistanis 99.99% of indian population is poor, the reality is 28% and indian members have been telling this in pdf all the time yet you guys never learn.
indian government has got money so we buy a lot of military hardware and yet it is less than 2% of our gdp

man he knows those figures well....its just that he doesn't wanna admit.

 

[MilSpec]

Karzai is an astute politician, he's playing on Pakistan's fear of fighting India on two fronts but at the same time, he refuses to disassociate from Pakistan out rightly. Right now, he's playing to both sides of the house. For greater insight into the nature and depth of the proposed association between India and Afghanistan, it would be insightful to know what the "Wish List" consisted of.......



1962: ANA at the prime of her military power, attacks Pakistan through Bajaur and is beaten back by local tribes and local paramilitary forces. The military didn't even have to flinch. Your assumption that ANA can take on a seasoned fighting force like the PA seems to imply that Indians have grown increasingly complacent of our capabilities. Complacency never favours the complacent.

Well, as in case of Afghanistan, where there is infighting among different tribes, races etc, demonizing pakistan will provide a bigger stronger enemy which will unite the afghans against Pakistan. People across the durand line have similar culture and traditions, they have intermarried among the tribes making that border area to have common links, but lets not forget similar situation of common culture stuff existed (offcourse on a smaller amount) in indo-pak border areas too but was very easily replaced by nationalism. If the Karzai government can play it's card right, and coerce pakistan into fighting back at durrand line, there will be sympathy for afghan forces across the board and then the same version of religion which was used to destroy afghanistan can be used to unite against pakistan.

This might be the golden oppurtunity karzai has been waiting for, have a disciplined officer corp in military wing, so that the top level is not radicalized. Create offensive against pakistani army, start maneuvering afghan taliban to move in the lines of TTP as cannon fodder. Pak army if has to fight afghan taliban at any instance, they will demolish taliban in all out fights.

It could result in better integration of afghans, especially the new generation, effectively dismantling afghan taliban threat, ensuring propping up of existential threat from pakistan which will lead to heavily centralized form of government (similar to pakistan viz-aviz India), Ensuring continued support from India.

It would be indeed interesting to see whats on the wishlist,
Field Guns, anti material rifles, mortars, rescue helicopters, support vehicles, LAV's, field medical equipment, night vision equipment, MRBL's etc. is in the likelihood the list would be interesting.

 

[Amaa'n]

Well, as in case of Afghanistan, where there is infighting among different tribes, races etc, demonizing pakistan will provide a bigger stronger enemy which will unite the afghans against Pakistan. People across the durand line have similar culture and traditions, they have intermarried among the tribes making that border area to have common links, but lets not forget similar situation of common culture stuff existed (offcourse on a smaller amount) in indo-pak border areas too but was very easily replaced by nationalism. If the Karzai government can play it's card right, and coerce pakistan into fighting back at durrand line, there will be sympathy for afghan forces across the board and then the same version of religion which was used to destroy afghanistan can be used to unite against pakistan.

This might be the golden oppurtunity karzai has been waiting for, have a disciplined officer corp in military wing, so that the top level is not radicalized. Create offensive against pakistani army, start maneuvering afghan taliban to move in the lines of TTP as cannon fodder. Pak army if has to fight afghan taliban at any instance, they will demolish taliban in all out fights.

Hold that thought over there sir, you are missing a point over here, The tribes you are talking about and the refugees have not only intermarried but many have setted up their business on both sides of the border. many of them travel on daily bases from Peshawar to Kabul, you should have seen them when last year chaman border was sealed due to salala attack. And the way I see it if we play our cards right (which we already are by making Peace laskars) than the game can be turned around

 

[surya kiran]

China supplies stuff to Pakistan and continues to trade with us and we trade with them. Same way we supply stuff to Afghanistan and Pakistan should trade with us Its nice to provide an itch which needs continuous scratching

 

[MilSpec]

Hold that thought over there sir, you are missing a point over here, The tribes you are talking about and the refugees have not only intermarried but many have setted up their business on both sides of the border. many of them travel on daily bases from Peshawar to Kabul, you should have seen them when last year chaman border was sealed due to salala attack. And the way I see it if we play our cards right (which we already are by making Peace laskars) than the game can be turned around

Absolutely agree!
pakistan holds aces here, Pakistan can step up taliban activity against kabul as the non-state actor once the ISAF leaves,

With the vacuum in afghanistan, even the ttp will join the ranks to get to kabul

Instead of fighting the ANA with pak military, ISI should use all it's assets to engage ANA in kandahar, herat, MeS provinces.

Pak military can use the NSA/Taliban assets as a safety valve to make the afghan government tow the pakistani line.


It all depends on who plays the game well

 

[GR!FF!N]

As usual Pakistanis gone crazy after seeing their worst dream come true..but I say,let them burn in the fire of jealousy and hatred..

Good job Karzai..you did the right thing to protect your country's sovereignty(those who were debating about it,should check if their own country has sovereignty or not,before debating about others) and strengthen it.hope relation between India and Afghanistan will flourish more and more.

I expect second hand tanks,MPV,APC,IFV,helos,gunships and small arms on their part..also,they might show interest about few battle field surveillance radars.it'll give their infantry's capability a great boost.though I fear most of these purchase will never come to the news(just like Mayanmar,we don't want to irk our already jealous neighbour)..

And I think they should include China in this great game(and I'm not trolling..they might purchase few equipments from them too).after all,China too holds few stakes here..that'll check Pakistan's activity in some degree..

what about Afghan members???what their personal wish list??come on..don't be ashamed..

 

[Amaa'n]

are you being sarcastic ?
because now with Democratic powers in control, it has been agreed upon that Foreign policy will be devised with mutual co-operation of Establishment and the Democratic Govt. so I do not see how they will allow this move. Pakistan has been playing and will play its role as a mediator, If we can bring TTP on the table for peace talks why won't we bring Afghan Taliban on the table for talks, as Karzai himself has offered them a place in Shora - Govt.

Absolutely agree!
pakistan holds aces here, Pakistan can step up taliban activity against kabul as the non-state actor once the ISAF leaves,

With the vacuum in afghanistan, even the ttp will join the ranks to get to kabul

Instead of fighting the ANA with pak military, ISI should use all it's assets to engage ANA in kandahar, herat, MeS provinces.

Pak military can use the NSA/Taliban assets as a safety valve to make the afghan government tow the pakistani line.


It all depends on who plays the game well