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Afghan president Hamid Karzai hands India weapons 'wish list'

are you being sarcastic ?
because now with Democratic powers in control, it has been agreed upon that Foreign policy will be devised with mutual co-operation of Establishment and the Democratic Govt. so I do not see how they will allow this move. Pakistan has been playing and will play its role as a mediator, If we can bring TTP on the table for peace talks why won't we bring Afghan Taliban on the table for talks, as Karzai himself has offered them a place in Shora - Govt.

The scenario I am refering to is hypthetical based on karzai propping up pakistan as an bigger existential threat, if that happens I dont see why pakistan should hesitate from using the taliban to it's advantage.

If what you are saying happens it would be ideal.
 
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:omghaha: Yeah China showed you how much sovereign you are

do I remind you about drone again?? :ashamed: getting bombed for what..10 years???

why poke others when your own a*s on fire??

i dont know what is wrong in supplying them arms?

how will they use these arms against us?even if they do we can reply to them

meanwhile karzai thinks so

Pak twin brother, India a great friend: Karzai - Indian Express

Pak 'twin brother', India 'great friend': Hamid Karzai - Economic Times


thats what I think too...they are going to use T-55 against Pakistan???oh come on members..you got hundreds of jets and tanks for what(just for showoff??)???or is it sympathy for terrorists(who you think going to retake Kabul again)???
 
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thats what I think too...they are going to use T-55 against Pakistan???oh come on members..you got hundreds of jets and tanks for what(just for showoff??)???or is it sympathy for terrorists(who you think going to retake Kabul again)???

No they are not going to use anything against us onwards 2014.

Iran still wont give them access to warm water.completely.and they dont have any other option.cheap option.hence they will have to rely on pakistan again.

if PA and ANA joins hands together against taliban.and go on into a full deadly offensive.i am 100% sure within few years.taliban would be past tense from both KPK and afghanistan.

about taliban taking power of kabul again.well if america provides same sort of equipments like what the ANA has got now.than may be not.ANA only needs equipments.rest they can handle the taliban's as good as the nato has done for the past 10 years
 
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Well,,the first post you decided to take me on argument of the Indian Army getting involved,was in response to a rhetoric as you would be able to see from the quote....and it was my response in kind,hoping he would understand his language

"He" can't be expected to understand when it is "I" who is being addressed.

And ya,I know there can be no sanity or "facts" among the insane,maybe you should learn it too??!!!

If this is indeed a collection of lunatics, then what might I ask, are you doing here? Are you not another lunatic, drawn to your own kind?
 
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No they are not going to use anything against us onwards 2014.

Iran still wont give them access to warm water.completely.and they dont have any other option.cheap option.hence they will have to rely on pakistan again.

if PA and ANA joins hands together against taliban.and go on into a full deadly offensive.i am 100% sure within few years.taliban would be past tense from both KPK and afghanistan.

about taliban taking power of kabul again.well if america provides same sort of equipments like what the ANA has got now.than may be not.ANA only needs equipments.rest they can handle the taliban's as good as the nato has done for the past 10 years


absolutely agree with this..ANA and PA should join hands to fight against Taliban(both Afghan and Pakistan)..thats the only way forward.else,both country will engage in tussle over accusation about supporting Taliban and using it against other.they should just eliminate the Taliban,once and for all,or else it'll pose danger for both of them.though it needs the will to do it,which is questionable here..and ANA is buying weapons to fight Taliban,not Pakistan.and they can't win or even fancy an arms race against Pakistan.
 
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It's a perfect valid point @Icarus sir, but how would one prevent this sort of thing from happening? A nation gives another nation certain equipment and weapons in good faith that they will be used for their intended purposes, if they end up in a black market being sold to terorists groups who then use the weakens against friendly nations and their interests- how can the oringal selling nation be held responsible or even blamed?

The original nation cannot be blamed but the onus of responsibility rests with that nation to ensure that it's arms are used for what they were intended, I'll offer an example, Somalia could do with some weapons with their Islamist and Pirate problems but you won't see any country offering them so much as a slingshot. Simply, to avoid being held responsible when the same slingshot pops the eye of some unsuspecting farm hand. The very same problems lies with Afghanistan, legally speaking, there's no harm, diplomatically speaking, it's an easy way to make some quick enemies.

Are the Russians blamed for every AK death?

They aren't but that's because the AKs weren't distributed as gifts. The Americans were for quite some time, held responsible for the Afghan Civil War because the weapons being used were their legacy for the people, thus the deep rooted sentiment.
 
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From Indian diplomatic circles they are out from Afghan game so lets see how India place itself in coming years, Karzai most probably wants Agni or Tarshole missiles :omghaha:
 
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Well, as in case of Afghanistan, where there is infighting among different tribes, races etc, demonizing pakistan will provide a bigger stronger enemy which will unite the afghans against Pakistan.

Easier said than done in Afghanistan, because the only thing the Afghans are united in, is being disunited.

People across the durand line have similar culture and traditions, they have intermarried among the tribes making that border area to have common links, but lets not forget similar situation of common culture stuff existed (offcourse on a smaller amount) in indo-pak border areas too but was very easily replaced by nationalism. If the Karzai government can play it's card right, and coerce pakistan into fighting back at durrand line, there will be sympathy for afghan forces across the board and then the same version of religion which was used to destroy afghanistan can be used to unite against pakistan.

I doubt it, there is no "Across the Board" when you talk about the Durand Line. You could unite people against the Soviets and Americans because:

1) They were foreigners.
2) They were non-Muslims.

Pakistan is neither, never has any tribe tried to cede from Pakistan, even though the USSR and Afghanistan pushed the Pukhtunistan issue to it's height. I don't expect them to do so any time soon either. These people are known for their strong sense of loyalty, they will not let it fall pray to the fancy of a state that has yet to learn to stand on it's own.

This might be the golden oppurtunity karzai has been waiting for, have a disciplined officer corp in military wing, so that the top level is not radicalized. Create offensive against pakistani army, start maneuvering afghan taliban to move in the lines of TTP as cannon fodder. Pak army if has to fight afghan taliban at any instance, they will demolish taliban in all out fights.

Karazai will have to wait for that officer cadre to mature, even if you expedite their promotion, let's say you have a fresh military hierarchy in 10 years from now (I am being overly generous, a more realistic estimate would be near 18 minimum). Where do you see the Afghan govt and military stand until then? They cannot hope to call time out and expect the Taliban to wait until they have a mature enough officer corp.
As for the other point, an offensive against Pakistan will be the untimely demise of the ANA, let's not forget that the PA is trained keeping in mind that these men will be expected to fight almost 6:1, The PA is and will be, quite realistically speaking, a fighting force much superior to the ANA for many coming generations.

It could result in better integration of afghans, especially the new generation, effectively dismantling afghan taliban threat, ensuring propping up of existential threat from pakistan which will lead to heavily centralized form of government (similar to pakistan viz-aviz India), Ensuring continued support from India.

Again, you seem to ignore or misunderstand the Afghan situation. To the non-Pushtun portion of the Afghans, the former Soviet states of their ethnicity appear as a very desirable model of statesmanship. These people are literally jumping out of the country for a chance to move abroad, a united Afghanistan will require decades of sustained economic growth, which under the threat of the looming withdrawal and expected post-withdrawal violence looks dim. Pakistan itself would choose to support a peaceful transition, we have enough Afghans within our borders than we would care for, another refugee crisis in the offing is not our favourite option.

It would be indeed interesting to see whats on the wishlist,
Field Guns, anti material rifles, mortars, rescue helicopters, support vehicles, LAV's, field medical equipment, night vision equipment, MRBL's etc. is in the likelihood the list would be interesting.

Interesting it would be indeed, however, one has to wonder how much liberty India would be willing to extend to Kabul at the expense of deteriorating it's dealings with Islamabad. We're far from bossom buddies but India knows that a content Kabul is not a great counterweight to a pissed off Islamabad. As much as it would hurt India to admit, Pakistan is still a greater priority as compared to Afghanistan and to keep Islamabad pacified is in India's best interests, which at the time are vested in it's continuing state of security and economic fertility, an escalation with Pakistan would upset the balance and throw India off her goals on both grounds. Remember the flight of capital in the 2002-03 escalation? India would always choose to avoid the same situation from re-accuring.
 
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Pakistani desperation in this thread is amusing:)
I always wandered why someone would be so desperate to dominate and control his neighbouring country.Pakistan's greatest fear is a prosperous/advanced afganisthan free of its influence will assert itself on the pashtun issue and the durand line controversy.
 
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Pakistani desperation in this thread is amusing:)
I always wandered why someone would be so desperate to dominate and control his neighbouring country.Pakistan's greatest fear is a prosperous/advanced afganisthan free of its influence will assert itself on the pashtun issue and the durand line controversy.

Good for you.....Did someone hear Nepal, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh cry foul over the part in bold?
 
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Good for you.....Did someone hear Nepal, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh cry foul over the part in bold?

India has not tried to dominate or control any of the said countries.

I would have expected these statements from the Bangladeshi trolls on the forum who keep blabbering about a RAW conspiracy, and RAWAMY league and theories about the impact of the Indian military's latest acquisition for Bangladesh (as if they can even fight our coast guard), but not from you. Those funny Bangladeshi PDFites do not represent popular Bangladeshi opinion. India does not try to control or dominate its neighbors, and she does not need to. At least, not to the extent that Pakistan does with Afghanistan.

No, Nepal or Sri Lanka or non-PDF Bangladeshis have not cried foul against India, to the extent that poor afghans cry against Pakistan's immoral games, and unholy patronage of talibs and such evils.
 
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After-all, He is the president of a sovereign nation !!

How so?

He asked the US to stop night raids and he was told to **** off. He asked them to stop using drones to attack or spy on their neighbors and he was told to **** off. Furthermore, There is a large occupying force within Afghanistan that is totally immune to their laws.

45% of his governments budget is dependant on foreign AID which doesn't include the secret "bags of money" the CIA gives him to pay off drug dealing warlords.

90% of the countries GDP is dependant on the occupation.

This is the exact opposite of a "sovereign nation"

He's nothing more than a puppet like the rest of his government who are paid off to keep quiet and/or support the invasion/occupation of what was a sovereign nation.
 
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