Afghan Hotel Attack - Afghanistan Starts Blame Game Again

[OrionHunter]

This was undoubtedly a false flag operation by the CIA. There will be many more to come and each time they'll point their fingers at Pakistan. That's the excuse that the US of A would want, to attack the Afghan Taliban hideouts deep inside Pakistan's border without permission to do so.

I thought you guys knew the ball game of the CIA?

 

[Respect4Respect01]

Then don't blame Afghanistan for any attacks that goes on in Pakistan.

what the hell is nato doing there, they cant even take care of few thousand terrorists.

 

[jetti]

what the hell is nato doing there, they cant even take care of few thousand terrorists.

the problem is that humans have not found a solution to stop people who are not averse to losing their own life however worthless the cause.
US cant stop if a muslim puts on a vest boards a PIA plane 'undetected' , lands in JFK and blows himself up. they can only contain/limit damage.
Even in the kabul attacks only 11 people that too muslims, died. No ambassador or NATo died. So in that way nato did not lose anything

 

[Bhairava]

36.9% was in 2008. Over 50% was before the WOT. And just to remind you, the WOT started in 2001.

Prove it.

And even if it was true, it was in 2001, now its 2011.

It's funny you claim to know what the common Afghan thinks like, but have probably not even met one personally in your life.

Meeting personally alone is not required. I'm a member in few forums and I know what I am talking about. But since you insisted on let me give you a sound byte. Many foreigners notably - Bahrainis, Iranians and Afghans study in the University of Pune and some of them stayed in the same apartment I once stayed while working. And they have the most uncharitable view of Pakistanis.

Let me tell you a little about the smuggling routes. The most famous one is from Chaman, Balochistan to Kandahar, Afghanistan. The Torkham is also famous for smuggling goods into Nangarhar province in Afghanistan. There are countless other smuggling routes. The amount of goods that are smuggled into Afghanistan from these smuggling routes are very difficult to measure because they are much higher in quantity than from the goods flowing through the official supply routes.

Exactly and that is why I insist on facts that are known. Not on the unknown.

Face it. Afghans are not solely dependent on 'mighty' Pakistan for their survival and your trade with them is hardly one-fifth of their total trade and the main source of wheat in Afghanistan comes through the CARs.

 

[Tshering22]

We should neither support any Taliban nor US and Karzai

Got onto it finally, have you? But it is kind of late.. 30 years late. The reason why it had to go this way was your involvement then in Afghanistan. Had you stuck to a condition like we did (official neutrality), things won't have been this bad.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

India should Afghanistan diplomatically and militarily to the maximum extent possible against the tyranny of the Taliban and its sympathizers.





One of the well worn myths that comes out of scorn borne for the Afghans sans any facts.

Pakistan account for just 20% of Afghan imports and Afghanistan exports just 23% of its goods to Pakistan. its not that without Pak Afghanistan would collapse the next day. Most of the food imports come from the CARs.

http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2006/september/tradoc_114134.pdf

What abt the smuggled wheat,livestock,cement etc... i think 80% comes frm Pakistan.

RIP to the dead people. these sunni terroroists are causing too many problems in the world.

Welcome back with a new id yetti........ Plus the taliban r salafi n wahabi.

 

[Bhairava]

What abt the smuggled wheat,livestock,cement etc... i think 80% comes frm Pakistan.

Lets not argue based on what each of us think individually, but based on verifiable facts.

 

[Icarus]

the problem is that humans have not found a solution to stop people who are not averse to losing their own life however worthless the cause.
US cant stop if a muslim puts on a vest boards a PIA plane 'undetected' , lands in JFK and blows himself up. they can only contain/limit damage.
Even in the kabul attacks only 11 people that too muslims, died. No ambassador or NATo died. So in that way nato did not lose anything

We have metal detectors, X-ray walk throughs and guards to frisk suspicious characters on our airports, perhaps you should also consider deploying them at your airports ?

 

[jetti]

We have metal detectors, X-ray walk throughs and guards to frisk suspicious characters on our airports, perhaps you should also consider deploying them at your airports ?

I implied that the Pak airport authorities are colluding with this gentleman and let him through which is very likely and possible

 

[Icarus]

I implied that the Pak airport authorities are colluding with this gentleman and let him through which is very likely and possible

Oh yes, we would love to fight a war with America................Use your head, don't we have enough problems already ? And how is it "Very likely and possible" can you cite any such previous instances ?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I implied that the Pak airport authorities are colluding with this gentleman and let him through which is very likely and possible

How did he get through Afghan/NATO security on the Afghan side then?

Or for that matter, how did the underwear bomber, whose own father, a high ranking government official, reported him, and had him placed on a terrorist watch list, get on a US flight in Europe and manage to detonate his explosives (albeit unsuccessfully)?

 

[CENTCOM]

The Haqqani network is nothing more than a group of terrorists who, unfortunately, have bases in Pakistan, the same way Afghan Taliban are terrorists located in Afghanistan. So why would anyone assume that anyone is blaming Pakistan or has hate against the Pakistani nation, if reports confirm that the Haqqani network commander Ismail Jan was involved in the intercontinental attack? We do not point accusatory finger towards Afghanistan and the entire Afghan nation just because there are terrorists who are using the country and its people for their own gains. The case is the same with the Haqqani network and Pakistan.

ISAF has confirmed the death of the Haqqani network commander who facilitated the attack on intercontinental hotel in Kabul. Correction: Haqqani Leader Who Supported Kabul Attack Killed in Precision Airstrike | ISAF - International Security Assistance Force
There is no consolation for the innocent lives lost at the hands of these terrorists. However, it is unfortunate to witness bloggers diverting their attention from the fact that those victims have been avenged and their families given justice, towards farfetched assumptions of negative propaganda against Pakistan. That is the real diversion. Terrorists belong to no religion, no country and their weapon is violence and murder. They are involved in brutal civilian attacks on both sides of the border. Hence, we have to come together and focus on fighting against these traitors of humanity, not amongst ourselves.

CDR Bill Speaks,
DET – U.S. Central Command
U.S. Central Command

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

... So why would anyone assume that anyone is blaming Pakistan or has hate against the Pakistani nation, ...

You must not be reading your own media then, often quoting 'anonymous intelligence, administration and military officials'.
Do you realize that the latest Western media reports on Karzai's accusations over '470 rockets fired into Afghanistan' included media commentary stating that 'this is the first instance of Pakistan brazenly providing fire support for Taliban in Afghanistan'? The Western media completely ignored the fact that it was in fact Pakistan that was responding to multiple incursions by Taliban from Afghanistan into Pakistan, that resulted in dozens of Pakistani security forces and civilians dead.
And what of Gen.(R) Keane's recent statements against Pakistan?
Really, who are you trying to fool here?

However, it is unfortunate to witness bloggers diverting their attention from the fact that those victims have been avenged and their families given justice, towards farfetched assumptions of negative propaganda against Pakistan.

What nonsense - see the examples I quoted above. Who are these 'anonymous US intelligence, military and administration officials' who continue to put out malicious lies and propaganda against Pakistan in the Western media?

Don't blame us 'bloggers' for fighting back against this smear campaign against Pakistan's intelligence agencies and military in the Western media - we are only responding, it is the US Establishment and the Western media that continues to put out propaganda against Pakistan.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

The Kabul meetings
By Najmuddin A Shaikh
Published: July 1, 2011

The writer was foreign secretary from 1994-97 and also served as Pakistan’s ambassador to Iran (1992-94) and the US (1990-91)


A series of important meetings in Kabul over the last few days have not received the coverage they deserved. Instead, the focus has been on the Taliban attack on the Kabul Intercontinental Hotel. Some of the attackers wore police uniforms, raising questions regarding the degree to which Afghan security forces have been infiltrated and the ability of the Afghan armed forces to provide security.
Recent stories in the American media have highlighted the fact that more than 8,000 new soldiers/policemen are entering the forces every month in Afghanistan and are being allowed to do so after what seems to be the most cursory of security vetting.
Clearly, such Afghan forces will not be able to combat the insurgency or to provide security after international forces withdraw in 2014. Reconciliation is, therefore, the only way that foreign forces can leave without a fear of Afghanistan descending into chaos.
As regards the meetings, the military commanders of Pakistan, Afghanistan and the US met recently, presumably to discuss coordination of action against the insurgents on both sides of the border but, in all probability, they talked about the modalities for establishing contact with the insurgents, the conditions that would need to be laid down for such talks and the prospects of success. The next meeting was that of the Afghan contact group, which brought together the 40-odd countries that are donors of assistance. On another plane, the Afghans had summoned a meeting of provincial governors to discuss the carrying forward at the provincial level of the reintegration and reconciliation process. Nothing has been said publicly that would indicate any advance towards reconciliation in these deliberations.
The most important meeting was that of the ‘core group’ — consisting of Pakistan, Afghanistan and the US — to discuss the details of reconciliation. The backdrop was provided by US Special Envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan Marc Grossman’s statement that the meeting was “a way to coordinate efforts on reconciliation but also a way for Afghanistan and the US to state clearly to the government of Pakistan… to end the support by Pakistan of safe havens.” Earlier he had said, “Pakistan had important choices to make”. Lastly, Grossman had also said that the Pakistanis had not been involved in the contacts the Americans had established with the Taliban.
It seems from the cursory coverage the meeting has received so far that a large part of time was taken up by the exchange of allegations regarding cross-border artillery fire from the Pakistan side and the five separate occasions on which insurgents crossed over from Afghanistan to attack Pakistani forces in Dir, Mohmand and Bajaur. At the joint press conference, the one point highlighted in the press was Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir’s call for “an end to the blame game” and for Pakistan and Afghanistan to “take ownership of their own affairs”. Whether this was meant to suggest that reconciliation was something that need not involve the Americans was unclear. What did become clear to careful observers was that there had been little or no meeting of minds.
In the meanwhile, other difficulties between the US and Pakistan are being made more public. Not only did Grossman talk about Pakistan having to make choices but US Ambassador to Afghanistan Karl Eikenberry asserted that Pakistan had a bad record of fighting insurgents.
As if this were not enough, in Senate hearings, the incoming commander of American forces in Afghanistan, General Allen, maintained that Mullah Omar was in Pakistan and that despite requests the Pakistanis had not found him.
Other reports indicate that the reimbursement of the coalition support funds has been held up ostensibly because Congress has not yet accorded approval. Our ministry has said that there are some $3.5 billion due from the US on this account. If these sums do not become available soon, our parlous economic condition will become worse.
What should we do if relations continue to deteriorate and we become subject to further attacks from across the border? Our defence minister says we need to review our terrorism policy, but in what direction?