Aero India 2017: Bahrain Wants Tejas Back Again For Bahrain Airshow 2018.

[Kabotar]

Lol, that time tejas was not present to compare with , Moreover , you confirmed buyers and with delivery schedule in 2017 few 3 yrs back. and now No schedule yet.

tell us which Air show you will be now , we will make sure to Send tejas also.

Lol again making excuses Bahrain Air Show happened in January 2015, JF-17 took part in Paris air show in June 2015. Why didn't you guys bring Tejas there?

Enjoy the show.

The Nigerian deal was confirmed last year in 2016 , we would have signed Sri Lankan deal in 2016 too if India hadn't started crying.

Even your air Force didn't want anything to do with the jet but was shoved down their throats by Indian government for pride and propaganda so that idiots like you will eat it up.

 

[The SC]

Bahrain is trying to encourage India and land it a helping hand, since India wants to export its Tejas too that has apparently impressed so many people with its prototype flight..
Bahrain itself is getting the F-16 V the latest variant..

 

[SDS1]

Lol again making excuses Bahrain Air Show happened in January 2015, JF-17 took part in Paris air show in June 2015. Why didn't you guys bring Tejas there?

Enjoy the show.

The Nigerian deal was confirmed last year in 2016 , we would have signed Sri Lankan deal in 2016 too if India hadn't started crying.

Even your air Force didn't want anything to do with the jet but was shoved down their throats by Indian government for pride and propaganda so that idiots like you will eat it up.

lol , you have any idea how much you ppl lied over here?

A) Well in 2015 , tejas going under certifications process , once completed we bought in Jan 2016. Why didnt you come in 2016 ??

B) Clearly , in the Show , Tejas taken lead by Early takeoff 5 sec before JF17.

C) In 2014 you also had confirmed order wilh delivery plan 2017. ( SL / Myanmar) , check older post.

Lol, Even today Mark-1 tejas , is better then your 3rd block. This the reason your PAF didnt bring in 2016.

 

[damiendehorn]

Export for the tejas is going to be very difficult, for multple reasons.

1. The tejas contains tech and parts from multiple sources, indian, European, US and israeli. This very fact will restrict the number of potential countries who will consider the tejas (ie iran etc.)

2. The unit flyaway price for the IAF is ($25m for the Mk1 and $45m for the Mk1A) and for export customers will be much higher ($40m+ for the Mk1 and $60m+ for the Mk1A).

3. HAL has a very limited experience in marketing internationally and not so good record in support.

4. By the time the tejas is mature it will have to compete with various options from China (J10b, J10c, J31), Russia (mig 35), Sweden (JAS 39), South Korea (F50, KFX/IFX), even Turkey (TFX)....

 

[SDS1]

Export for the tejas is going to be very difficult, for multple reasons.

1. The tejas contains tech and parts from multiple sources, indian, European, US and israeli. This very fact will restrict the number of potential countries who will consider the tejas (ie iran etc.)

2. The unit flyaway price for the IAF is ($25m for the Mk1 and $45m for the Mk1A) and for export customers will be much higher ($40m+ for the Mk1 and $60m+ for the Mk1A).

3. HAL has a very limited experience in marketing internationally and not so good record in support.

4. By the time the tejas is mature it will have to compete with various options from China (J10b, J10c, J31), Russia (mig 35), Sweden (JAS 39), South Korea (F50, KFX/IFX), even Turkey (TFX)....

At one place you taking about price $25m and next place you ultra expensive planes? you think the planes you name will come at same price?

 

[damiendehorn]

At one place you taking about price $25m and next place you ultra expensive planes? you think the planes you name will come at same price?

The price quoted are openly available: Roughly $45m for the mk1A (with ASEA and F414), for the first batch in the IAF. Now if the same plane is to be exported then you usually have to add approx 30% to the price (this is standard practice to recover development costs).

If the customer needs to replace parts for political reasons, say a middle eastern client wants to replace israeli origin systems then costs further escalate (structural changes to the plane, software changes, re-testing etc). Fighter planes aren't cheap...So don't expect a tejas to be priced any less then a fighter like the JAS 39.

The problem tejas then come up against is fighters like mig 35 or J10 which come at similar price point.

 

[SDS1]

The price quoted are openly available: Roughly $45m for the mk1A (with ASEA and F414), for the first batch in the IAF. Now if the same plane is to be exported then you usually have to add approx 30% to the price (this is standard practice to recover development costs).

If the customer needs to replace parts for political reasons, say a middle eastern client wants to replace israeli origin systems then costs further escalate (structural changes to the plane, software changes, re-testing etc). Fighter planes aren't cheap...So don't expect a tejas to be priced any less then a fighter like the JAS 39.

The problem tejas then come up against is fighters like mig 35 or J10 which come at similar price point.

Buddy , the planes u mentioned are

J10 - Still no buyer despite presence
JAS 39 is $ 70Min
MIG-35 is $30min , but very expansive to Run & Maintained, 2 Engines will be expensive , if u include the AESA

 

[Super Commando Dhruva]

Can you throw a bit more light on this plz?....JF-17 is way ahead of Tejas as far as induction is concerned....now in terms of capabilities can you please tell where you think JF-17 is inferior to Tejas in the current inducted format...I strongly believe JF-17 has lot of potential for exports and once again a decent number of years working in a well reputed AF is great marketing in itself...Tejas clearly lacks that(as of now).... In fact at this stage even talking about Tejas exports is something that i will take with pinch of salt....

Sure first of all THANDA is 3 rd Generation fighter plan, it has Russian engine, china purchased Engine design for Russia. We all know that LCA need less airstrip to take OFF, it is more Agile as compared to J 17 , it has better angle of attack, it can take more Gs , use of Composite materiel stronger than J 17. LCA has GE 404 F 16 engine, Mark 2 will have F 18 GE 414, which is more reliable and proven. J 17 has third Gen Body frame ( 1 Gen GAP ) It has Israeli radar which is one of the best. Mission computer, electronic suite. Pakistani friends might not accept it but when you go in an Air show experts take note of everything. IAF has already said that it will remain in southern front reason being, we can keep our front fighter plans in Eastern and western sector. You see china is not inducting J 17 they know that it has no chance. They never claimed it.

http://www.financialexpress.com/ind...on-india-pakistan-combat-aircraft-iaf/303714/

I hope this would help.

 

[damiendehorn]

Buddy , the planes u mentioned the
Mig 35 - 2 Engines will be expensive , if u include the AESA
J10 - Still no buyer despite presence
JAS 39 is $ 70Min
MIG-35 is $30min , but very expansive to Run & Maintained

The export price of the tejas Mk 1A is roughly about the same (maybe a little less depending on options) as the JAS 39! I doubt you'll have much international interest in the tejas Mk 1A at such prices and the Mk 2 is years away from flying. At the low end you have competition from the J17 and FA-50 (prices from $27m to $35m) and at similar price point you have competition from the J10b and mig 35 (both quoted at roughly $30m - $50m).

We are evaluating J10b/mig 35/Su 30...which all fall in the price point below the tejas Mk1A, while offering way better performance. Then you have the problem of HAL's reliability/experience in export markets to contend with.

Option: Buy J10b for $45m - $50m each or spend $45m - $60m on a tejas? Please name me a country thats willing buy it.

here are the issue you need to resolve first.

1. US engine and systems that preclude many countries.
2. israeli systems that preclude most arab nations.
3. EU systems that preclude those nation under embargo.
4. The current price/competition.
5. HAL's lack of marketing experience and support.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Guys talking bout getting orders must calm down. We must first know how Tejas fares with IAF. Only after that we will know the good work done by HAL and timely maintainance schedules. In the quest for glory we should avoid Ecuador like situation where Dhruv's employed by India are working fine, except them, giving us a bad time. Give it time to mature before we talk of sales.

 

[X_Killer]

The export price of the tejas Mk 1A is roughly about the same (maybe a little less depending on options) as the JAS 39! I doubt you'll have much international interest in the tejas Mk 1A at such prices and the Mk 2 is years away from flying. At the low end you have competition from the J17 and FA-50 (prices from $27m to $35m) and at similar price point you have competition from the J10b and mig 35 (both quoted at roughly $30m - $50m).

We are evaluating J10b/mig 35/Su 30...which all fall in the price point below the tejas Mk1A, while offering way better performance. Then you have the problem of HAL's reliability/experience in export markets to contend with.

Option: Buy J10b for $45m - $50m each or spend $45m - $60m on a tejas? Please name me a country thats willing buy it.

here are the issue you need to resolve first.

1. US engine and systems that preclude many countries.
2. israeli systems that preclude most arab nations.
3. EU systems that preclude those nation under embargo.
4. The current price/competition.
5. HAL's lack of marketing experience and support.

Wtf I asked u a simple question. How much you will retire and how you will induct? Do u have any clues? OK let you first reply with proper calculation then I will proceed


He won't talk about the Jets getting retired .

Am actually saying it an advice. Hard work should get results.

1) increase the productivity to 30 LCA per yr. So later exports can be possible

2)MK2 which LL be put by 2022 should be a twin engine so Navy also will have home grown MMRCA like EF .

There will be 3 active PRODUCTION lines for Tejas with ~24 units/year PRODUCTION rate

 

[damiendehorn]

There will be 3 active PRODUCTION lines for Tejas with ~24 units/year PRODUCTION rate

LOL...call me when Bharain actually orders the plane.....

 

[ranadd]

LOL...call me when Bharain actually orders the plane.....

Doubt the call will happen.

Middle east hates Asian products. They are a western companies stronghold.

 

[X_Killer]

Doubt the call will happen.

Middle east hates Asian products. They are a western companies stronghold.

Will see!
Wait and watch

 

[Faithfulguy2]

You mean JF17 stand a bigger Chance? Cause no Jews equipment on it.

So are Tejas components religion based. So are Tejas grounded from Friday to Saturday evening to honor Sabbath?