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I just meant that if you do agree with last sermon of Rasoolullah (Sallah O Alaihe Wa Alehi Wa Sallam) then from where it came..??? Is it mention in Quran..??? Allah revealed to Quran for human betterment and sent to Rasoolullah (Sallah O Alaihe Wa Alehi Wa Sallam) as well for same purpose then why we could reject his sayings & actions which are proved by Sahih Ahadith ..
Do not take down anything from me, and he who took down anything from me except the Qur'an, he should erase that and narrate from me, for there is no harm in it and he who attributed any falsehood to me -and Hammam said: I think he also said:" deliberately" -he should in fact find his abode in the Hell-Fire.
Sahih Muslim - The Book of Zuhd and Softening of Hearts: Book 56, Hadith 7702
....I have left among you the Book of Allah, and if you hold fast to it, you would never go astray. And you would be asked about me (on the Day of Resurrection), (now tell me) what would you say? They (the audience) said: We will bear witness that you have conveyed (the message), discharged (the ministry of Prophethood) and given wise (sincere) counsel. He (the narrator) said: He (the Holy Prophet) then raised his forefinger towards the sky and pointing it at the people (said):" O Allah, be witness. 0 Allah, be witness," saying it thrice.....
Sahih Muslim - Book 15, Hadith 159
Nothing - Just trying to defend Quran
Whats his point of view & whats yours ?
I'm too lazy to go through all of that !
haha... I am Saying that Quran is "Easy & Complete" as per God's claim in Quran and is complete guidance. He is saying it's difficult and not complete - You need Hadiths to understand it. My argument is that i will check the validity of Hadith as per guidance of Quran - He says that you can't question Hadith, If you don't accept it as it is than you are denying Prophet (PBUH) and are apostate and as per Hadith i have to be killed - so simple
Whats his point of view & whats yours ?
I'm too lazy to go through all of that !
haha... I am Saying that Quran is "Easy & Complete" as per God's claim in Quran and is complete guidance. He is saying it's difficult and not complete - You need Hadiths to understand it. My argument is that i will check the validity of Hadith as per guidance of Quran - He says that you can't question Hadith, If you don't accept it as it is than you are denying Prophet (PBUH) and are apostate and as per Hadith i have to be killed - so simple
The person you are arguing with does not know the meaning behind Hadiths. The Quran is complete and cannot be altered from its completion till the end of time. The Hadiths are not supposed to be used to usurp the Quran and in fact if any Hadith contradicts the Quran than the Hadith is not Sahih. It does not matter even if Imam Bukhai and Imam Muslim narrated those particular hadiths if they are in contradiction of our holy book they are wrong.
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KARACHI: Urdu linguists have distorted the meaning of the word “secular,” and falsely translated it as la-deen (non-religious).
‘Admitting you are a secularist can get you killed in Pakistan’ – The Express Tribune
The way I see it :
Koran is God's word & the Hadith are the best exegesis (tafsir) of the Koran !
Now I suggest to any moderator to close this thread it has become a TAMASHA for the non muslims to see we can NEVER agree on even 1 point!
1 person says we can live without Hadith and he is called all sorts of things...
Another says Islam is not complete without Hadith...
Its like saying I can live without breakfast but the other is telling that breakfast is the most important meal!
There are claims that there is complete science to check the authenticity but i don't know that science nor want to know because i have Book called Quran, if that story is not against it than maybe that is true and actually Prophet (PBUH)'s words but if i see that it's against what Quran says than whatever science someone used to check the authenticity and no matter that is categorized as MOOOOOOOOOST SAHIH story - for me that's BS.