Admiral Noman happy with F22P performance wants more ships from China

[TaimiKhan]

A pretty small target when compare to any AShM, hit pretty accurately.

Plus, i do wonder, that if the US and European navies, even China are using still the Phalanx CIWS, Goal Keeper CIWS and Type-730 CIWS, and they all have the capacity to test these CIWS on super-sonic missiles / drones / targets, and they must have tested these weapons on all assumed targets which these CIWS would be facing as all the mentioned navies are faced with super-sonic AShM threats and since a long time, its not a new threat.

I am pretty sure, all these CIWS are able to target and defeat super sonic incoming missiles.

 

[Penguin]

A pretty small target when compare to any AShM, hit pretty accurately.

Plus, i do wonder, that if the US and European navies, even China are using still the Phalanx CIWS, Goal Keeper CIWS and Type-730 CIWS, and they all have the capacity to test these CIWS on super-sonic missiles / drones / targets, and they must have tested these weapons on all assumed targets which these CIWS would be facing as all the mentioned navies are faced with super-sonic AShM threats and since a long time, its not a new threat.

I am pretty sure, all these CIWS are able to target and defeat super sonic incoming missiles.

The only thing supersonic missiles do is limit your response time. If it get's compressed enough, you need to (also) use a weapon that pushes the kill-zone further out i.e. a combined gun-missile approach or an all out missile approach.

 

[TaimiKhan]

The only thing supersonic missiles do is limit your response time. If it get's compressed enough, you need to (also) use a weapon that pushes the kill-zone further out i.e. a combined gun-missile approach or an all out missile approach.

Or may be the detection capability of the CIWS should be improved, so that they can detect the incoming missile more farther away and give enough reaction time to the CIWS to intercept them, be it guns or missiles.

But i would have preferred the gun-missile approach, 2 gun-CIWS platforms and one missile-CIWS, more flexibility.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Here, check the F-22P weapon systems being fired while undergoing testing in China:

 

[Penguin]

Or may be the detection capability of the CIWS should be improved, so that they can detect the incoming missile more farther away and give enough reaction time to the CIWS to intercept them, be it guns or missiles.

But i would have preferred the gun-missile approach, 2 gun-CIWS platforms and one missile-CIWS, more flexibility.

There's no need for that. With a max. gun range of 5.5km and a max. effective gun range of 1.5km, Phalanx, for example:
"will prioritize the first six threats it sees at about 10,000 yards (9,100 m) and engage at 4,000 yards (3,600 m)."
USA 20 mm Phalanx Close-in Weapon System (CIWS)

The limiting issue is EFFECTIVE GUN RANGE, not radar or missile range.

It is relatively easy to combined guns and missiles. See the Russian Kashtan and Palma systems. Also, see the IN destroyers: of 4 AK630 guns 2 were removed and each replaced with 16 VL Barak and the russian MR-123 replaced by an ELTA Stir, which commands both the guns and the missiles.

 

[Pk_Thunder]

Pak China cooperation in building submarines, bigger ships war identified: Admiral Noman​

After successful completion of construction of three F-22 P Frigates in China, Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Noman Bashir said that Pakistan has identified to China the cooperation in the field of construction of submarine, bigger war ships, acquiring modern weapons and equipments. “We have the history of cooperation in the Navy with China like we have cooperation in all other fields”, said Noman Bashir while talking to media here at a reception on Saturday evening in which Ambassador of Pakistan to China Masood Khan was also present.

The CNS said that Pakistan Navy has already taken over three Frigates and the fourth one is being constructed with Chinese cooperation in Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works and hoped that like the three frigates, the construction of fourth ship in Karachi will be completed ahead of schedule.

“ We will not stop here and this cooperation will continue”, said Admiral Noman Bashir while replying to a question.
He said that during his meetings with Chinese side, he had identified areas including building of submarines, as so far we had not entered into joint construction of submarines.

This is one of areas Pakistan would now like to explore, he noted.
He said that Pakistan also like to go for construction of bigger ships with cooperation of China.

These ships would be bigger than the current F-22 P Frigates, he added.

There is lot of discussion that are taking place, he said adding “obviously we will have the ships and submarines which will be according to our requirements and specifications”.Also, the CNS said that in the areas of weapons and sensors we are going beyond what we had.

On floods in Pakistan and Chinese relief assistance, Admiral Noman Bashir said that we are grateful to the government and the people of China for their timely assistance for the flood affected people.

He said that the Chinese Medical team is doing an excellent job and Pakistan Navy has taken the responsibility to look after them.
He said that before coming here he went to the Chinese Mobile Hospital which was established in Thatta and they were doing remarkable job.
In addition to medical team and hospital, there was lot of flood relief supplies we received from China.
Flood had caused great deal of damage in Pakistan, said Admiral Noman Bashir adding that these unprecedented floods we did not experience in our history.
The floods are not confined to one part of the country, but caused widespread damage from north to south, he added.