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Is that really true Sir?
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Is that really true Sir?
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Literally speaking no, strategically speaking yes unless you want the whole eastern front to be open for an adventurism by our peace loving neighbors.
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As I have stated before, we risk the balloon effect, we pull troops from Agency X and deploy them to NWA, when we operate against the Taliban in NWA, the lack of troops in Agency X allows them to settle there and now they have a new safe haven.
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I see your point, but why not just pop the whole balloon, once and for all? Surely, a suitably drawn plan with adequate personnel, backed by appropriate and adequate resources, can accomplish that task.
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For the single operation in one agency- we do have,
But then as Icarus has mentioned, the aftermath is alot. Because the people across the border don't cooperate and refuse to haul themselves into Kunar, the terrorists simply go across the border, and then come back again. Spreading themselves and the PA.
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And we keep giving these bastards a trial!Next time just execute them!
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The Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan has released video showing the remains of 17 Pakistani soldiers who were beheaded after being captured and executed during fighting in the northwestern district of Dir just three days ago.
The graphic video, which was obtained by The Long War Journal, was sent to journalists by Ihsanullah Ihsan, a spokesman for the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan.
The videotape includes a statement by Hakeemullah Mehsud, the leader of the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan. Hakeemullah promises that the Taliban will continue to fight the Pakistani military until the government enforces sharia, or Islamic law, and stops supporting the US in the region.
In the video, the Taliban show the heads of 17 Pakistani soldiers displayed on a white sheet; the Taliban claim that 18 soldiers were killed during the fighting. The Taliban fighters are standing around the gruesome display, holding weapons as the camera pans back and forth to show the soldiers' remains. The Taliban then show the military identification cards of the slain soldiers.
The 17 soldiers were killed after more than 100 Taliban fighters crossed the border from Kunar province in Afghanistan and attacked the Pakistani troops. Sirajuddin Ahmad, a spokesman for the Malakand Taliban, which operates under the command of Mullah Fazlullah, initially claimed credit for the attack and said 17 soldiers were killed.
"Our fight will continue until the establishment of sharia law in Pakistan .... We will fight whoever tries to stand in our way," Ahmad told Reuters the day after the battle.
Videotape the latest of a Taliban execution of Pakistani security forces
The Pakistani Taliban routinely videotape executions of their captives. The most recent high-profile execution, which was recorded in a videotape that was later distributed, took place in June 2011, when the Taliban captured 16 Pakistani policemen in Dir, lined them up, and executed them via firing squad.
The policemen had been captured after the Taliban crossed the border from Kunar province in Afghanistan and attacked police outposts and villages in the Shaltalu area on June 1, 2011. The raid sparked a pitched battle that lasted for several days. Dozens of Pakistani policemen were taken hostage during the ensuing fighting. Although Pakistani officials claimed that 27 policemen and 45 Taliban fighters were killed during the raid, independent news reports put the number of policemen killed at more than 40. [See LWJ report, Video of brutal Taliban execution of Pakistani policemen emerges.]
In February 2011, Hakeemullah Mehsud, the emir of Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan, released a videotape of the execution of a former Pakistani military intelligence official known as Colonel Imam. Although Imam, a senior officer in Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence directorate, was a favorite of the Afghan Taliban for his support of Mullah Omar, the Pakistani Taliban accused him spying against the terror group. [See LWJ report, Video: Pakistani Taliban execute Colonel Imam.][/FONT]
The graphic video, which was obtained by The Long War Journal, was sent to journalists by Ihsanullah Ihsan, a spokesman for the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan.
The videotape includes a statement by Hakeemullah Mehsud, the leader of the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan. Hakeemullah promises that the Taliban will continue to fight the Pakistani military until the government enforces sharia, or Islamic law, and stops supporting the US in the region.
In the video, the Taliban show the heads of 17 Pakistani soldiers displayed on a white sheet; the Taliban claim that 18 soldiers were killed during the fighting. The Taliban fighters are standing around the gruesome display, holding weapons as the camera pans back and forth to show the soldiers' remains. The Taliban then show the military identification cards of the slain soldiers.
The 17 soldiers were killed after more than 100 Taliban fighters crossed the border from Kunar province in Afghanistan and attacked the Pakistani troops. Sirajuddin Ahmad, a spokesman for the Malakand Taliban, which operates under the command of Mullah Fazlullah, initially claimed credit for the attack and said 17 soldiers were killed.
"Our fight will continue until the establishment of sharia law in Pakistan .... We will fight whoever tries to stand in our way," Ahmad told Reuters the day after the battle.
Videotape the latest of a Taliban execution of Pakistani security forces
The Pakistani Taliban routinely videotape executions of their captives. The most recent high-profile execution, which was recorded in a videotape that was later distributed, took place in June 2011, when the Taliban captured 16 Pakistani policemen in Dir, lined them up, and executed them via firing squad.
The policemen had been captured after the Taliban crossed the border from Kunar province in Afghanistan and attacked police outposts and villages in the Shaltalu area on June 1, 2011. The raid sparked a pitched battle that lasted for several days. Dozens of Pakistani policemen were taken hostage during the ensuing fighting. Although Pakistani officials claimed that 27 policemen and 45 Taliban fighters were killed during the raid, independent news reports put the number of policemen killed at more than 40. [See LWJ report, Video of brutal Taliban execution of Pakistani policemen emerges.]
In February 2011, Hakeemullah Mehsud, the emir of Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan, released a videotape of the execution of a former Pakistani military intelligence official known as Colonel Imam. Although Imam, a senior officer in Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence directorate, was a favorite of the Afghan Taliban for his support of Mullah Omar, the Pakistani Taliban accused him spying against the terror group. [See LWJ report, Video: Pakistani Taliban execute Colonel Imam.][/FONT]
Solomon 2
For the respect of the families and friends of the lost soldiers - is it necessary for you to put some gruesome pictures on here? Do you believe this site deserves the lack of respect you are showing? I find it a distasteful post and shows your mindset. We all condemn the actions of these animals but to put this post up is giving them the publicity they crave and humiliating the dead and their families.
For the respect of the families and friends of the lost soldiers - is it necessary for you to put some gruesome pictures on here? Do you believe this site deserves the lack of respect you are showing? I find it a distasteful post and shows your mindset. We all condemn the actions of these animals but to put this post up is giving them the publicity they crave and humiliating the dead and their families.
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if they are injured, unarmed and arrested then we cant execute them
what Taliban do is against the religion and morality. if we copy them then there is no difference between them and us
Its quite gruesome.
MOD EDIT: dont quote the entire post.. if its big.. specially when you only one a one liner above
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Radio Mullah re-emerges as security threat
ISLAMABAD / PESHAWAR: Shortly after sneaking across the Afghan border this week, more than 100 militants loyal to Pakistani Taliban leader Fazlullah waited patiently on a mountain for Pakistani troops to approach.
Several days later, the fighters released a video of what they said were the heads of 17 ambushed soldiers, along with their identification cards.
Laid across a white sheet, they were a chilling reminder of the major security threat the man once known as FM Mullah still poses to US ally Pakistan, three years after the army pushed him out of the Swat Valley.
He is a very big problem for Pakistan, said a Western diplomat.
During his heyday, Fazlullah, who like many senior Taliban members is known as a mullah, or preacher, organised thousands of fighters who roamed picturesque Swat, imposing his radical version of Islam.
Opponents, and those deemed immoral, were publicly flogged, or even beheaded and hung in squares and at intersections. Girls schools and government buildings were burned down.
Nowadays, Fazlullahs men control a 20-km stretch of the rugged and largely unpatrolled border with Pakistan from areas in Afghanistans forbidding Nuristan province, described by nearby US troops as the dark side of the moon.
From there, Fazlullah, a burly man in his thirties with a heavy black beard, plots cross-border raids that do not kill many soldiers but agitate Pakistans military, which thought it had defeated him during a Swat offensive in 2009.
His activities in the border area, described by US President Barack Obama as the worlds most dangerous place, could complicate efforts to stabilise the region before most foreign combat troops leave Afghanistan by the end of 2014.
Big ambitions
Fazlullah is a distraction for Pakistans military, which is also fighting Hakimullah Mehsud, the leader of the Pakistan Taliban umbrella group blamed for many of the suicide bombings across the country.
Sirajuddin Ahmad, Fazlullahs spokesman and cousin, said the groups aim was to recapture Swat, and take control of Pakistan.
The establishment of Sharia (Islamic law) is our goal, and we will not rest until we achieve it. We will fight whoever stands in our way, he told Reuters by telephone from an undisclosed location in Afghanistan.
Fazlullah has slowly rebuilt his militia by securing shelter and support from Afghan militants in an area where groups form loose alliances against the United States, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
He is extremely dangerous, said a Pakistani security official. Fazlullah has 150 men, rocket-propelled grenades and light machine guns. You just need a small amount of men to carry out effective operations. This is a big number.
Fazlullah, once known for fiery radio sermons, was the first Taliban leader that took control of an area in Pakistan outside the ethnic Pashtun tribal belt along the Afghan border.
There are no signs that he will be able to penetrate deep inside towns or cities. His men usually arrive in a big wave, attack and retreat back into Afghanistan.
But his operations have prompted Pakistans military one of the worlds largest to repeatedly urge the Afghan government and Nato forces to go after the militant leader.
On Monday, Pakistan protested to Nato and the Afghan military, accusing them of failing to act against militant havens in Afghanistan after the cross-border attack in which the Pakistani soldiers were killed.
Nuristan police chief Ghulamullah Nooristani says there are no signs that anyone intends to eliminate Fazlullah, even though he was creating havoc for people there, charging illegal taxes, stealing supplies from trucks and sometimes killing drivers.
We cant attack them because they are armed with light and heavy weapons which are much better than ours, he said. If we get support from the central government or coalition forces we will be able to destroy their strongholds.
Fazlullahs fighters usually slip across the border into Pakistan at night and take positions on high ground.
We have patrols and vehicles moving in the area to guard the border, so they wait and try to ambush them, said a Pakistani intelligence official.
Intelligence officials say Fazlullahs men operate in the Afghan provinces of Nuristan and Kunar, and enjoy the support of hundreds of militants there. Support goes both ways when it comes to fighting the US-backed governments in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Some militants have long-standing bonds. Many of us know each other from before, as we studied in the same madrassas (religious seminaries), said a commander of a militant group in Kunar.
When we need to conduct an operation in Afghanistan, we request help and they give us fighters. When they need to conduct an operation, we provide them with assistance as well.
Few experts expect Fazlullah to make the kind of gains he seems determined to achieve. But he is making a big impact.
Their aim is to carry out these cross-border attacks which dont just take a toll in terms of casualties, but also have a psychological impact, said Mansur Mehsud, a director at the FATA Research Centre, an independent think tank in Islamabad.
They reinforce the fear of the Taliban in the local population there. The people that help the government and the army would be very worried because of this, fearing revenge.
ISLAMABAD / PESHAWAR: Shortly after sneaking across the Afghan border this week, more than 100 militants loyal to Pakistani Taliban leader Fazlullah waited patiently on a mountain for Pakistani troops to approach.
Several days later, the fighters released a video of what they said were the heads of 17 ambushed soldiers, along with their identification cards.
Laid across a white sheet, they were a chilling reminder of the major security threat the man once known as FM Mullah still poses to US ally Pakistan, three years after the army pushed him out of the Swat Valley.
He is a very big problem for Pakistan, said a Western diplomat.
During his heyday, Fazlullah, who like many senior Taliban members is known as a mullah, or preacher, organised thousands of fighters who roamed picturesque Swat, imposing his radical version of Islam.
Opponents, and those deemed immoral, were publicly flogged, or even beheaded and hung in squares and at intersections. Girls schools and government buildings were burned down.
Nowadays, Fazlullahs men control a 20-km stretch of the rugged and largely unpatrolled border with Pakistan from areas in Afghanistans forbidding Nuristan province, described by nearby US troops as the dark side of the moon.
From there, Fazlullah, a burly man in his thirties with a heavy black beard, plots cross-border raids that do not kill many soldiers but agitate Pakistans military, which thought it had defeated him during a Swat offensive in 2009.
His activities in the border area, described by US President Barack Obama as the worlds most dangerous place, could complicate efforts to stabilise the region before most foreign combat troops leave Afghanistan by the end of 2014.
Big ambitions
Fazlullah is a distraction for Pakistans military, which is also fighting Hakimullah Mehsud, the leader of the Pakistan Taliban umbrella group blamed for many of the suicide bombings across the country.
Sirajuddin Ahmad, Fazlullahs spokesman and cousin, said the groups aim was to recapture Swat, and take control of Pakistan.
The establishment of Sharia (Islamic law) is our goal, and we will not rest until we achieve it. We will fight whoever stands in our way, he told Reuters by telephone from an undisclosed location in Afghanistan.
Fazlullah has slowly rebuilt his militia by securing shelter and support from Afghan militants in an area where groups form loose alliances against the United States, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
He is extremely dangerous, said a Pakistani security official. Fazlullah has 150 men, rocket-propelled grenades and light machine guns. You just need a small amount of men to carry out effective operations. This is a big number.
Fazlullah, once known for fiery radio sermons, was the first Taliban leader that took control of an area in Pakistan outside the ethnic Pashtun tribal belt along the Afghan border.
There are no signs that he will be able to penetrate deep inside towns or cities. His men usually arrive in a big wave, attack and retreat back into Afghanistan.
But his operations have prompted Pakistans military one of the worlds largest to repeatedly urge the Afghan government and Nato forces to go after the militant leader.
On Monday, Pakistan protested to Nato and the Afghan military, accusing them of failing to act against militant havens in Afghanistan after the cross-border attack in which the Pakistani soldiers were killed.
Nuristan police chief Ghulamullah Nooristani says there are no signs that anyone intends to eliminate Fazlullah, even though he was creating havoc for people there, charging illegal taxes, stealing supplies from trucks and sometimes killing drivers.
We cant attack them because they are armed with light and heavy weapons which are much better than ours, he said. If we get support from the central government or coalition forces we will be able to destroy their strongholds.
Fazlullahs fighters usually slip across the border into Pakistan at night and take positions on high ground.
We have patrols and vehicles moving in the area to guard the border, so they wait and try to ambush them, said a Pakistani intelligence official.
Intelligence officials say Fazlullahs men operate in the Afghan provinces of Nuristan and Kunar, and enjoy the support of hundreds of militants there. Support goes both ways when it comes to fighting the US-backed governments in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Some militants have long-standing bonds. Many of us know each other from before, as we studied in the same madrassas (religious seminaries), said a commander of a militant group in Kunar.
When we need to conduct an operation in Afghanistan, we request help and they give us fighters. When they need to conduct an operation, we provide them with assistance as well.
Few experts expect Fazlullah to make the kind of gains he seems determined to achieve. But he is making a big impact.
Their aim is to carry out these cross-border attacks which dont just take a toll in terms of casualties, but also have a psychological impact, said Mansur Mehsud, a director at the FATA Research Centre, an independent think tank in Islamabad.
They reinforce the fear of the Taliban in the local population there. The people that help the government and the army would be very worried because of this, fearing revenge.
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Not so. Pakistan's army is large and its soldiers not without skill.
Don't you think it's more logical to claim that what Pakistan "simply lacks" is the will?
Any general advocating the operation to clear terrorists out both risks his position, for he may fail in his objective. Yet if he succeeds he threatens his superiors in the military power structure since he'll gain prestige and will have a large body of loyal soldiery at his command.
This is the downside of life under a military junta; all too often, commanders are too paralyzed to act since the politics that holds the system together are so fragile.
That's why I wanted civilians to return to power. But it hasn't worked out that way; everyone in Parliament and the Executive still follows the wishes of military commanders; that's the lesson of Memogate. Even the media still kow-tows to the generals; where is there a peep that their professional military incompetence could be responsible for the casualties and disasters of the past decade? Nowhere. And so Pakistani soldiers continue to get their throats slit by modern-day Thuggees.
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ref post ~54
he just gave the link with the warning. if someone is so keen then he can look it up.
I cant fault Solomon2 here .. he didnt post the pictures here but gave the link anyway because he doesnt feel the same wasy as we do about this incident.
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