Acting Brotherhood General Guide's Arrest a Major Blow to the Group [Egypt]

[Falcon29]

Egyptians like other Arabs are dumb

After decades of dictatorship and military rule they finally get a revolution and a democratically elected government

The region mainly useless GCC, plot against the new Government alongside Egyptian military and secular elite


They instigate a coup with Copts at the centre within a year of the new government taking power



Rather then waiting for elections, they murder their own citizens, wipe out any democratic opposition


Place a new military dictatorship in power and all the old subservience to USA, GCC, Jews etc




Useless, useless people are these Arabs (and I'm.a Sunni Muslim)

Copts did nothing my friend, as expected Copts were split on the issue. They are Egyptians and that's all that matters.

As for Sisi, his government is making up lies and going on crusade against MB supporters. He did his coup and now is going overboard. Which is gonna earn him the wrath of God. It won't be coming from the poor MB supporters in Egypt .

 

[Falcon29]

Quite an imagination you’ve got... they can ALWAYS try to change that, but no more tissue should they use afterwards. They know well why the Rabaa Massacre happened and they are more than sure how many and how much many Egyptians support Sisi.

How many Egyptians share your view? You’ve been to Egypt so share it with us. I don’t find him ‘serving’ anyone but his country first and foremost and either way you’re locked in the same mind circulation w/ many others like MB members and nearly anyone who opposes Egypt nowadays. مع اخواتك

Okay buddy , MB of Egypt or worst most violent people ever who wanted to destroy Egypt and supported by America and Israel. You can believe whatever delusions you want, it's your country and do what you want with it.

However, if Sisi is part of plan to demilitarize Gaza than know we have moral high ground and capibility to repel him and his Israeli buddies.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

That’s a personal problem of mine, as a Copt I don’t tolerate such bs - they have been playing on the religious card like no other and it doesn’t stop! You got Tripple M slash E who has put ‘Copt’ in nearly every single reply of his when it came to Sisi, I don’t understand how it should be but what did the MB expect from us in 2013...? The MB‘s influence is in fact expanding beyond what Egypt and others could counter and I’m alerted to the possibility of their comeback.
*******
And if Nasser didn’t expel Jews and Greeks they would’ve killed the guy I bet...

@MMM-E

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Wonderful news. The Africa-based MB and the India-based Deoband mullah school have been the prime proponents of regressive thought and anti-Islamic thought from among Muslims for decades and have been the ideologies that formed basis for terrorism from among Muslims.



How humanitarian of the MB.



The Western governments have always supported the regressive bunch from the Muslims and have used them in regime change operations against progressive Muslim-majority governments.

You need to put an end to your firqa based abuse here. As a Deobandi, I take exception to your nonsense here.

Also not all MB is the same. Egypt MB was elected and deposed early in a coup. Unfortunately Copts did play a role in supporting and bankrolling the coup.

Actually, the domestic petrol problem during Mursi's reign was directly related to one Copt leader who withheld it.

No doubt Israel and US also were scared when Mursi was planning to challenge the peace treaty with Israel.

 

[jamahir]

You need to put an end to your firqa based abuse here. As a Deobandi, I take exception to your nonsense here.

I living in India have long read of some fatwas from the Deoband institution which were regressive. Two examples have been posted by @Naofumi :

There is a madrasa here and they have a very good Alim program at the boys school. However, at the girls school they do not have a purdah. The male teachers sit in the same room as the female Alimah students. Is it permissible for me to send my daugh

There is a madrasa here and they have a very good Alim program at the boys school. However, at the girls school they do not have a purdah. The male teachers sit in the same room as the female Alimah students. Is it permissible for me to send my daughter to the girls school? Can I send my son to...

darulifta-deoband.com

Can muslim women in india do Govt. or Pvt. Jobs? Shall their salary be Halal or Haram or Prohibited?

Can muslim women in india do Govt. or Pvt. Jobs? Shall their salary be Halal or Haram or Prohibited?

darulifta-deoband.com

Can they be justified ? Does the institution have any intellectual legitimacy ?

Egypt MB was elected

So were BJP in India and Obomba in America. In any case the Egyptians rejected him later on.

No doubt Israel and US also were scared when Mursi was planning to challenge the peace treaty with Israel.

From post# 29 posted by an Egyptian :

The MB agreed to send troops to Syria to fight by the side of the US, Sisi now has rejected

And read this article by a Yemeni woman politician who is supported by Western governments. She in turn supported Morsi.

 

[hussain0216]

The Military rule wasn’t as brutal as you think, nor was a dictatorship spared when the MB came... they were socializing with other forces in the region, planning to go here and there but what about what the people wanted? Power cuts were hours long and they didn’t bother negotiating for any energy deals. Choosing ministers and government officials based on their loyalty to the MB and not attributes, yet I remember 2 weird things that happened:
- An MB member on TV suggesting that we use Proxies against Ethiopia.
- The president asking the public to save in energy saying ‘Instead of using ten lamps use less.’
= Well then instead of caring about certain groups in the region why not go first and make a deal with a country to supply electricity? KSA was there but ha!! They aren’t on the same frequency.
The security forces collaborated with criminals while robbing houses, and their government wasn’t willing to pay for churches that were burned and robbed because of their control of the security forces and you ask why did the military intervene?
They intervened because it was the last the MB didn’t control, the last thing left of secularism in the country. The MB agreed to send troops to Syria to fight by the side of the US, Sisi now has rejected. So tell me: How is Sisi or nowadays Egypt submissive to the US or Zionists? How is it that Egypt fulfills what certain parties want? It’s the US who fulfills what the GCC or others who have money want, with them the republicans would lack support for campaigns and so on... How is it that Bernie Sanders isn’t the Democratic nominee despite being the most popular? Because it’s the money of the people who supports the Democrats who decide.

I’ve just answered your question, because they simply are runned by the people who fund them, not vice versa.

Now you know why we took the side of the Military Elites and Secularists instantly. I have to put down the truth: Most of the Sisi supporters aren’t Copts.
And for sure: we were blessed with MB members in Rabaa screaming in the microphones and saying :’Hankhaleeha dam’ ‘We’ll make it bloody’.
Or: ‘What happens in the Sinai (terror attacks) is a reply for the Sisi’s coup and it’ll stop when Sisi backs down from his actions’
They can give you more freedom of speech when it comes to the government decisions but surely not when it’s about their relations with X,Y,Z and their decisions when it comes to giving someone that certain position because it was what they wanted, you could ask witnesses who lived by their protesting areas on how innocent they were, after all why would you stand by someone who holds a weapon without a license and you expect security measures to not be applied towards this? If they weren’t to die that day then they would have surely died another day because of their idiocy and violence.

That is why the MB was identified as a terrorist organization later on, but like what many say: Under pressure from the Military.
Don’t expect the MB to be objectively protected by the US, the US has seen the difference between 2012 and 2015, and now they see the difference between 2012 and 2020.

What I see is alot of crazy excuses for a military dictatorship

Justification for the destruction of democracy after only a year, removal of the right of the people to decide their future and leaders

You keep saying WE HAD TO ACT who is this WE????

What vote did you have that you think gives you the right to use this word



It was the same old military deep state that refused to give up power and it's Muppets and thugs on the street who have put the military dictatorship back in power


This is not a sustainable state

 

[hussain0216]

So were BJP in India and Obomba in America. In any case the Egyptians rejected him later on.

You keep saying this lie

There was no democratic transition, the Egyptian people never got a democratic vote to choose their leadership or future

It was the same deep state that halted democracy and people's choice in their lives to bring back autocratic rule

 

[hussain0216]

So were BJP in India and Obomba in America. In any case the Egyptians rejected him later on.

You keep saying this lie

There was no democratic transition, the Egyptian people never got a democratic vote to choose their leadership or future

It was the same deep state that halted democracy and people's choice in their lives to bring back autocratic rule

Copts did nothing my friend, as expected Copts were split on the issue. They are Egyptians and that's all that matters.

As for Sisi, his government is making up lies and going on crusade against MB supporters. He did his coup and now is going overboard. Which is gonna earn him the wrath of God. It won't be coming from the poor MB supporters in Egypt .

The Copts had a big representation in the removal of democracy in Egypt

 

[ARCH٤R]

Copt leader who withheld it.

Ekhm?

What I see is alot of crazy excuses for a military dictatorship

Justification for the destruction of democracy after only a year, removal of the right of the people to decide their future and leaders

You keep saying WE HAD TO ACT who is this WE????

What vote did you have that you think gives you the right to use this word



It was the same old military deep state that refused to give up power and it's Muppets and thugs on the street who have put the military dictatorship back in power


This is not a sustainable state

We who were the majority of Egyptians who wanted Morsi out of the office and sent to court for his crimes. We the 48% who actually increased to surpass 50% within a year. We who took down to the streets like never before in Egypt’s history, got shot at by the MB and had our revenge from them. Perhaps didn’t the MB choose their MoD?

You keep saying this lie

There was no democratic transition, the Egyptian people never got a democratic vote to choose their leadership or future

It was the same deep state that halted democracy and people's choice in their lives to bring back autocratic rule

As if you’ll know more than us.... Egyptians.
Us:

Ones who made a revolution in 2011 against Mubarak, a president who was ‘Fixed’ in his chair since the 80s. Do you think that we would fail to topple Sisi if we want?
Should you ask Egyptians in the streets of Egypt you’ll always find the majority liking Sisi and calling him a savior...
And last but not least you act as if there was democracy in Morsi’s era. You end up on the shelf for me.

 

[hussain0216]

We who were the majority of Egyptians who wanted Morsi out of the office and sent to court for his crimes. We the 48% who actually increased to surpass 50% within a year. We who took down to the streets like never before in Egypt’s history, got shot at by the MB and had our revenge from them. Perhaps didn’t the MB choose their MoD

MB won a democratic election

You did a coup with the deep state to place a dictatorship in charge



If you were so confident then you should have pushed for elections that would given you legitimacy, what you are is the puppets of the DICTATORSHIP

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Ekhm?

Naguib Sawiris

Sudden Improvements in Egypt Suggest a Campaign to Undermine Morsi (Published 2013)

The sudden end of crippling energy shortages and the re-emergence of the police suggest that those opposed to President Mohamed Morsi had tried to undermine his administration.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I living in India have long read of some fatwas from the Deoband institution which were regressive.

Deoband also supports Modi and is anti-Pakistan, but that does not apply to all Deobandis. The movement is much bigger than some outdated clerics sitting in their offices there.

That regressive nonsense is not applicable to Pakistani Deobandis, and others who do not subscribe to the edicts of JUH.

So were BJP in India and Obomba in America. In any case the Egyptians rejected him later on.

Why do you compare everyone you dislike to BJP? BJP is an especially regressive and vile Hindu fascist movement, which is nothing like MB of Egypt.

And read this article by a Yemeni woman politician who is supported by Western governments. She in turn supported Morsi.

Syria has nothing to do with this.

 

[ARCH٤R]

Naguib Sawiris

Sudden Improvements in Egypt Suggest a Campaign to Undermine Morsi (Published 2013)

The sudden end of crippling energy shortages and the re-emergence of the police suggest that those opposed to President Mohamed Morsi had tried to undermine his administration.

www.nytimes.com

What this hints to is: they can control security forces in most provinces in the Nile Valley and control they flow of money in the government but they couldn’t control the energy sector?
And you expect someone like Sawiris, a Copt who actually paid compensations for our Churches instead of the scums who were in power in that time to be neutral? It was the government’s duty to act on the energy problems and not leave us for months with power cuts for several hours on daily basis, get all types and masses of crowds in the streets of Cairo for 6 months asking for early elections only for the guy to reject and keep rejecting. Mass anti Morsi protests came first and then was the Military intervention, the pro MB protesters shot at us, tortured people in Rabaa square and then the Military wiped them. Do you want to see an unarmed Gazelle with its windscreen hit by a bullet while flying over Rabaa?