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The Haj subsidy is basically an Air India subsidy.

The Haj subsidy is an airfare subsidy given to Indian ḥaǧǧ (often spelled Haj or Hajj) pilgrims. Pilgrims applying through the Haj Committee of India are offered the concessionary fare. The Government of India pays the subsidy to Air India.[1]
In 2007 the Haj subsidy paid by the Indian government was 5.95 billion rupees, and for 2008 it was Rs. 7 billion. Since 1994 the round trip cost to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia has been fixed at Rs. 12,000 per pilgrim, and the government has footed the rest of the bill. In 2007 this difference came to Rs. 47,454 per passenger.[2]
Considerable criticism has been leveled against this practice, both by Hindu organizations opposed to state funding of private pilgrimage outside India and by Muslim pressure groups. As an example of the latter, Mohib Ahmad contends that even Air India's subsidized fare is higher than competing airlines' ordinary fare.[3] However, the government has continued offering the Haj subsidy despite protests from the Muslim community at large. After B.N. Shukla and former BJP Rajya Sabha member Prafull Goradiya filed Public Interest Litigation seeking to end Haj subsidies by declaring government funding of pilgrimages outside India to be unconstitutional, the Supreme Court of India decided to permit the Haj subsidy to continue, citing the example of the far smaller subsidies (Rs 200 per person) provided for pilgrims to Lake Manasarovar in Tibet.
 
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^^^ The Haj is different from Umrah(smaller voluntary pilgrimage) were private operators are the norm. Because of the massive numbers, planning has to be done at the government-to-government level which is where the Haj Committee of India comes into play. Besides by artifically bringing down the prices the GoI is not allowing free market to decide which carrier should be choosen by the pilgrims.

I quote the relevant portions from this interesting article
Haj subsidy is a fact and must go eventually, The Milli Gazette, Vol.3 No.18, MG64 (16-30 Sep 02)
The Haj Committe along with Air India and Ministry of Civil Aviation decide the cost of subsidy and the air fares. Presently, even the formation of the Negotiating Team is kept secret; its composition is a top secret; the final terms agreed to are never released for public scrutiny. So what is needed is a White Paper on Haj Subsidy giving year-wise IATA fare, the prevailing exchange rate, the name of the carrier, Haj charter fare payable to the carrier, the fare collected from the pilgrim, the subsidy per pilgrim and the total amount.

The White Paper should also give the names of the then Chairman, Haj Committee, the then Minister of Civil Aviation and the then Chairman/Managing Director of Air India. If the Haj charter fare is brought down to 2/3 of the IATA fare and the pilgrim is asked to pay the natural increase on Rs.12,000 since it was first fixed, the Government can well pay the difference, without much political repercussion. Or the pilgrim may well refuse the subsidy because it shall be an insignificant amount as compared to the total cost of Haj!

More pilgrims may then take to normal commercial flights and perform Haj through the Haj Tour Operators, if indeed they offer better terms than the Haj Committee as Mr. Moradabadi has stated. The Government, however, need to regulate the Haj Tour Operators in the interest of the pilgrims. (To prevent corruption and fraud)
 
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^^ point accepted. its nice to debate with you.:tup:
now, I don't know when and where I read but it was like getting(taking) interest on the money(no matter from the person or from even banks) are un-islamic and some muslims in India don't accept the interest on their deposites in the banks. any thoughts on this issue.

P.S. Sorry for the off topic and btw, my bank don't add much interest money in my account, I don't know why.FYI, my balance in bank normally remains low.
 
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@brahmastra

Taking or giving usury ("high" interest) is not in accordance with Islam. So many muslims give any accrued interest on their deposits in charity and refrain from taking loans because of this. However, many muslims do not follow this and do keep fixed term deposits and take loans as well.

This is the reason why there is growing interest in Islamic finance and banking, which basically tries to provide the same facilities such as loans, and stable profits through deposits without using interest. Now how sucessful and valid these products are is a matter of debate.

I would prefer to refer to this as ethical banking or ethical investment as basically its refrains from for example investing in alchol, gambling, defence industries e.t.c which would go against Islamic tenets. And avoidance of interest basically aims to prevent the abuse of the person taking out a loan by money lenders. And you don't have to be a muslim or follow Islam to use these banking products.

Again if you go into details on how far interest related products can or can't be used there is difference of opinion and depends on the person and the situation.
 
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I am stating my opinion as i cant represent the opinion of whole india which happens to be a democracy.

"Vande Matram"
I had seen a punjabi play based on Bhagat Singh' life when i was 10-12 yrs old. 'vande Matram' & 'Inquilab zindabad' are the words i remember till now. To me these are the proud words.

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At least we are bebating on National Song, offensive words in it, POV of Deoband. Thanks "Jana" for putting up such a nice thread.
 
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An Indian muslim's response on Fatwa against Vande Matharam

..of Vande Matharam and of dealing with bored guys..


Posted by Nimmy on November 6, 2009


I wonder what made these people/Maulavis come up with such a fatwa on Vande Matharam,now.. I am sick of dealing with Love Jidah,and yes,there comes Vande Matharam Fatwa..I have no idea why people can’t leave us laymen on their own. Your fatwas make no sense to us,except that you are adding fuel to our burning lives. Instead of combing your beautiful beards and rant unnecessary stuff,please come down to us and deal with our problems and instead of again issuing fatwas that are of remote concern to a hungry man,may he be religious or not,please so something so that our lives have some betterment. Please provide us some food and opportunities for better education and empowerment,and then you are welcome to talk on matters like this.I am sure that the money spent on organizing that seminar would have been spent on much better productive activities.If you can’t do that,please refrain from making such statements as it is like throwing food to hungry animals,who are eager to tear it apart.

Tell me what sense does this fatwa make to you and me,this day?When you are sure that your statement not only will bring anything good,but also will make situations worse,please keep such religious statments to yourself as we have no worries going to hell just because we sang Vande Matharam. And just in case we ended up in hell becasue of this,I will tell my Lord to excuse you from not providing us valuable fatwas…But I am sure that I alone would suffer then,instead of huge lot of people who have to answer to pointed fingers and have to rant ,like me,to prove how patriotic I am to my motherland. Thank God I love Vande Matharam,otherwise I’ld have had to pick my train to Lahore this evening,for people who don’t sing this song are not allowed to stay in this country.And yes,tell me why don’t you issue a fatwa against science lessons at school,for evolution and other stuff is totally against creationism. Should I stop learning Vedic Maths?

And yes,I am happy that I am going to read on various Sanghi statements these days,as this is a good fodder for those people who were bored after the sad election results. You are bored,so you issed a fatwa,They are equally bored,so they are going to sing songs over this ..I suggest Thakereys to brew on something else rather than book us tickets to Pakistan.If anyday I need a litmus test on my nationalism and patriotism,i’ll come to you.And you fatwa-issuers aren’t any better than Sanghis as your sole intention is to divide the community and make your grip over us,more tightened.If it were not so,you would have made more involvement is issues that are basic to religion. But let me tell you again,your statement makes no sense to us,for we are proud Indian Muslims whose faith is no weak as a strand of white beard. We know what we believe in,we know what we stand for,we know what we are proud of,we know to which community do we belong to,and finally,we know that people like you are good for nothing except create issues and spoil our daily life peace.

http://nimis540.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/of-vande-matharam-indian-muslims/

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All For a Song: Vande Mataram and the Jamiat?s Patriotism | TwoCircles.net

By Yoginder Sikand, TwoCircles.net,

The furore stoked by the media over a recent declaration by a faction of the Jamiatul-Ulema- e Hind declaring the singing of the song Vande Matram to be un-Islamic has, not unexpectedly, been seized upon by vociferously anti-Muslim elements to press their claim of Muslims being ‘anti-national’. The fact that this song is undeniably religious in nature, and that the novel of which it forms a part is unabashedly anti-Muslim is well-known, making the reservations that many Muslims (along with other monotheistic Indians) about it quite understandable. What many Muslims are asking, a legitimate question that the media has failed to seriously raise, is why one’s attitude to a song (and that too in a language that few Indians understand) should be made the litmus test of Indian patriotism. What many Muslims also demand to know is how long they must continue to be forced by Hindu communalists to bear the burden of being compelled to prove their patriotic credentials.

At the same time, however, many Muslims are also asking why the Jamiat decided to rake a controversy about the Vande Mataram at this particular juncture. Was it to do with the ongoing rivalry within various factions of the Jamiat leadership of late that has delivered a major blow to the image of the organization among Muslims? Was it a clever ploy on the part of Mahmood Madani, the head of the Jamiat faction that passed the resolution, to grab media attention and to present himself as spokesperson for the Muslims of India? Was it a reflection of how out-of-tune the Jamiat’s diehard mullahs are with contemporary social realities?

The Deobandi mullahs of the Jamiat may be irredeemably conservative, even obscurantist, on a whole host of issues, but one thing that they cannot be accused of is disloyalty to India. The role of leading ulema of the Jamiat in the anti-colonial struggle and in opposing the creation of Pakistan is a story of which the Jamiat is justly proud of, and one that should serve to silence critics who are now raising questions about its patriotic credentials. The pro-Hindu slant of our education system has, lamentably, led to this glorious story being wiped out of our school textbooks, leaving the vast majority of Indians completely ignorant of a very vital chapter in the country’s history.

A recently-reprinted Urdu booklet published by the Jamiat provides the best guide to the Jamiat’s committed patriotic stance since pre-1947 times. Those who, ignorant of the Jamiat’s history, charge it for being allegedly anti-national simply for its position on Vande Mataram would do well to read it (Sadly, the Jamiat, despite the massive funds at its disposal, has not translated it into English or various other Indian languages). The booklet’s title ‘Hamara Hindustan Aur Uske Fazail’ (’Our India and Its Glories’), brilliantly encapsulates the Jamiat’s firm commitment to Indian patriotism.

The booklet consists of two essays, one by the late Maulana Hussain Ahmad Madani, former Jamiat President (and, incidentally, paternal grandfather of Mahmood Madani, head of the faction of the Jamiat that recently issued the statement about Vande Mataram), and the other by the late Maulana Syed Muhammad Miyan, one-time General-Secretary of the Jamiat. The essays were first published sometime in the early 1940s, in opposition to the Muslim League’s demand for Pakistan and to rebut the claim (one that continues to be made today by Hindu chauvinists) that Indian nationalism is necessarily synonymous with ‘Hindu nationalism’ and that the Indian Muslims simply cannot not be loyal to their country.

Maulana Madani begins by arguing that India has a special place in Muslim tradition. Hence, he stresses, the Muslims of the country should consider themselves ‘particularly honoured to have been born in India’, and that they must also work for the welfare and unity of the country. Contrarily, to demand the partition of India, he argues, would be to defy the Divine Will itself. He writes that Muslim tradition has it that God directed Adam, the first man and the first prophet, to be sent down to earth to India. It was thus from India that the human race sprang from Adam’s progeny. This implies, he writes, that the Indian Muslims must consider India as their ‘ancient home’ (watan al-qadim). In addition, he refers to the Quran as mentioning that God has sent prophets to every nation, taking this to mean that prophets must have also been sent to India as well. This, he says, is further suggested by the fact the numerous Muslim saints have ‘discovered’, through ‘spiritual encounters’, the graves of various prophets in India. Since, as the Quran says, the primal religion taught by all the prophets of God, including those who were possibly sent to India, was one and the same—al-Islam (’The Surrender’)—it is obvious, he suggests, that from ancient times onwards, even prior to the advent of the last prophet, Muhammad, Islam has been present in India. In fact, Maulana Madani argues, ‘it is an unchallengeable fact that from the very beginning India has been the land of Islam (islam ka watan)’.

India, Maulana Madani insists, is as much the motherland of the Muslims as it is of other communities in the country. He goes so far as to claim that Muslims do, or at least should, display an even greater concern for India’s welfare than other communities because while many Hindus burn their dead and throw their ashes into rivers, and the Parsis let vultures feed on their dead, the Muslims bury their dead in the bosom of the earth, in the very soil of their motherland. In contrast to the Hindus and the Parsis of the country, the mortal remains of the Muslims remain in India in their graves and shall remain so till the Day of Judgment. The Hindus believe in reincarnation of the dead, and there is no guarantee that their dead would be reborn in India, while the Muslims believe they shall remain in their graves till the Day of Judgment. Hence, Maulana Madani argues, it is only the Muslims who remain faithful to India even after their death. This itself means, he writes, that Muslims are, or should be, even more attached to India and concerned about its welfare than people of other communities.

No community can, therefore, claim a monopoly of Indian patriotism, Maulana Madani insists, challenging Hindu assertions to the contrary. Just as the Aryans, the Huns and the Greeks came to India and settled here and made this their home, he writes, so did the early Muslims. The only difference between the Muslims and the others is that the former arrived in India earlier. In fact, Maulana Madani argues, the Muslims, as a whole, can be more legitimately said to be the original inhabitants of India, since the vast majority of the Indian Muslims are descendants of converts from India’s pre-Aryan aboriginal people. Hence, he asserts, it is completely misleading to claim that India is not the land of the Muslims or that it belongs to the Hindus alone. The welfare of all the communities of India, including the Muslims, depends on the overall welfare of the country, and this is yet another reason why the Indian Muslims must love and serve their country, he argues.

Maulana Miyan’s piece, titled ‘Sarzamin-e Hindustan Ke Fazail’ (‘The Blessings of India’), echoes the same views as Madani’s, stressing the claim that the Indian Muslims are bound to ‘love’ and ‘serve’ India primarily because Islam commands them to do so. Like Madani, Miyan claims that India has been accorded a special status by God Himself. He bases his thesis on an Arabic text written by the eighteenth-century Indian Muslim scholar, Ghulam Azad Bilgrami, which puts together reports attributed to the Prophet Muhammad that are said to refer to the ‘glories’ of India.

Quoting Bilgrami, Miyan writes that while Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem are, undoubtedly, the ‘most holy’ places in the world, Muslim tradition has it that India, too, is a ‘blessed land’. According to narrations from such several early Muslim figures as Imam Ali (cousin and son-in-law of the Prophet) and Ayesha (one of the Prophet’s wives), Adam was sent down to earth to India, to the island of Serendib or modern-day Sri Lanka, while Eve was sent to Jeddah. Adam then travelled to Arabia, where he met Eve at a place near Mecca. After building the Kaaba at Mecca, Adam took Eve with him and returned to India, where they settled down and had children. The incident involving the sons of Adam, Cain (Qabil) and Abel (Habil),occurred, or so Miyan says, in India. After Abel was killed by Cain,Adam had another son, Sheesh, who, according to some accounts, is buried in the town of Ayodhya, which is sacred to many Hindus today. Adam is said to have undertaken forty pilgrimages (haj) from India to Mecca on foot. He is also said, some ulema claim, so Miyan tells us,to have died in India and to have been buried here.

This close connection between Adam and India points to what Miyan claims to be the obvious fact that Muslim tradition accords to India the status of a ‘blessed land’. This suggests, Miyan writes, that India had a special place in God’s scheme of things for the world, which Muslims living in the country need to recognise. The fact that Adam first appeared in the world in India means that the world’s first dar ul-khilafa (’abode of the Caliphate’) was India, because this was where God’s first khalifa or deputy was sent down. The island of Serendib or modern-day Sri Lanka, which can be said to be, in some sense, part of ‘greater India’, was the first place in the world where God sent his revelation. Adam, the first man and the first prophet,was made out of ‘Indian soil’. Since Adam is the father of all human beings, including all the other prophets and the saints, the rest of humanity was also fashioned out of the ‘mud of India’, or so Miyan claims.

To reinforce his argument of India being accorded the status of a ‘blessed land’ in the Islamic tradition itself, Miyan notes that some Muslim scholars believe that the oath of ‘alast’, which the Quran refers to, also took place in India. On that occasion, God gathered all the souls of men who would appear in the world till the Day of Judgment and addressed them, asking them if He was not their Lord. All the souls answered that He indeed was. This shows, Miyan writes, that India was the country where the ‘slaves’ of God first acknowledged Him as Sustainer, from which started the long chain of spiritual advancement of humanity. Through this incident the land of India was ‘brightened by the light of all the prophets’, Miyan writes.

According to the Quran, Miyan adds, at the time of taking the above-mentioned oath, another oath was taken from all the prophets, in which each prophet testified to the prophet who would succeed him.

Since the chain of prophets ended with Muhammad, every other prophet testified on that occasion to Muhammad being a prophet, reposing faith in him and promising to help him. This second oath, too, was taken in India, Miyan claims. Hence, Miyan writes, ‘India is that holy (muqaddas) land where the chain of religious instruction (rashd-o hidayat), and knowledge of the closeness of God (ma‘arif-e qurb-e ilahi) and salvation in the hereafter (nijat-e akhiravi)’ had their origins.

The claim of God having chosen India to send Adam to has other crucial implications, Miyan suggests, which reinforce the special place that India is said to occupy in the Muslim tradition. Miyan writes, echoing a view held by many Sufis, that the first thing God created was the noor-e muhammadi or the ‘light of Muhammad’. This light was first put into Adam and was then transferred through all the prophets till it reached the Prophet Muhammad when he appeared in Mecca. Because Adam lived in India, the first time that the noor-e- Muhammadi appeared on earth was in India, and the last time that it appeared was in Arabia, this establishing a firm spiritual link between the two lands.

All these ‘facts’, Miyan argues, stresses the need for the Indian Muslims to ecognise that ‘it is our good fortune that this India is our beloved country’. Because India is said to have held a special place in God’s plan for the world, Miyan argues, God has blessed it with numerous assets. The source of all good things is heaven, and whatever good things are found on earth are a limited reflection of their heavenly counterparts. All good things that are found in the world were first brought by Adam to India, from where they spread to
the rest of the world, or so Miyan claims.

Besides the alleged Adam connection, Miyan marshals other ‘evidence’to put forward his claim of India’s special status in Islamic terms. Thus, he writes that some Muslim scholars believe that Noah built his ark in India, and that India was unaffected by the Great Flood in Noah’s time. In addition, several companions of the prophet, thousands of Muslim saints, martyrs and pious ulema made India their home and died and were buried here. All these facts clearly suggest, Miyan contends, that from the Islamic point of view the ‘greatness’ of India is ‘undeniable’. Hence, he stresses, it is the religious duty of the Muslims of India to work for the sake of the unity and prosperity of the country as a whole. Hence, too,he suggests, the claim of Hindu chauvinists that only Hindus can be genuine Indian patriots and that Muslims, by definition, cannot, must be challenged and countered.

Not being a national chauvinist, I do not agree with all that Maulanas Madani and Miyan wrote in fulsome praise of India. Nor do I share all of their interpretations of alleged Muslim traditions about India. Some of them I find, to put it mildly, completely outlandish. Be that as it may, they certainly serve as a resounding answer to those who have now pounced upon the Jamiat’s resolution on the Vande Mataram song to brand the Jamiat, and, with it, the entire Indian Muslim community, as ‘unpatriotic’ and ‘anti-nationalist’.
 
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Just for our information the book 'Hamara Hindustan Aur Uske Faza'il' ('Our India and Its Glories') was written by Deobandi ulema in the early 1940s opposing the partition on basis of religion. While the book 'Sarzamin-i Hindustan Ke Faza'il' ('The Blessings of Indian Land') was written by Maulana Syed Muhammad Miyan, in the early 20th century but was based on hadiths (sayings of the prophet) on India and compiled by Indian scholar of hadith in the 17-18th century Ghulam Azad Bilgrami
 
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darrn 16 pages of bickering over a national anthem... who cares its jus an anthem :blah: ...and hey u guys if u are coming to pakistan can u bring me a "maharaja mac"... i heard they have those there ... and yh bicker on i love wen u guys fight :pop:
 
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^^^Its the national song, not the national anthem. And its not bickering its a discussion and if you don't have anything to contribute just don't post, no one is forcing you.
 
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JuD resolution on Vande Mataram unacceptable: Khurshid
Last updated on: November 15, 2009 15:30 IST


The resolution of Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind asking Muslims not to recite 'Vande Mataram' is "unacceptable" and will be "counter-productive", said Minority Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid.

He also doubted whether the resolution was the view of the entire Jamiat as the organisation is divided into two factions.

"It (the resolution) is unacceptable. It is counter-productive. It is not good for our society and our country. It is not good for Muslims," Khurshid told Karan Thapar on Devil's Advocate programme in the CNN-IBN when asked to comment on the resolution passed by the JuH at its convention in Deoband on November 3.

The JuH, largest organisation of Sunni Muslims, in its resolution endorsed a fatwa issued by Darul-Uloom of Deoband in 2006 which had declared recital of 'Vande Mataram' as un-Islamic.

Khurshid, himself a Muslim, said he recites 'Vande Mataram' out of "national pride, a sense of patriotism and commitment".

Asked whether he feels proud of singing 'Vande Mataram', the minister said, "Not only proud, but I am committed. I consider it my obligation."

He disapproved of efforts to force anyone to desist from reciting the national song or even to force anyone to sing it.

"It's a tragedy that someone is insisting that we don't sing this (Vande Mataram) because they have strange notion of what is good. And somebody else is insisting that we sing it because they believe that this is the only way to show us down," said the minority affairs minister said.

Asked about his advice to his community members on the issue, Khurshid said, "I will tell them to sing. I will tell them to stand by me shoulder-to-shoulder and sing the song for the nation."

He said if he could recite 'Vande Mataram' out of national pride, others also must sing it keeping the same sentiment in view.

Asked whether he shared the view of some sections that certain people recite 'Vande Mataram' only to provoke Muslims, Khurshid said, "Some do it... When somebody from a die-hard extremist party says you have to sing it if you have to live in India [ Images ], is that not provocation?"

Questioning the JuH resolution on 'Vande Mataram', Khurshid said the issue was settled after Independence by Congress leaders Jawahar Lal Nehru and Maulana Abul Kalam Azad.

"They sat together and set to rest whatever questions there were about 'Vande Mataram' and its stanzas that people were objecting," he added.

At the same time, he said, "There may be a small area (in the song) where somebody can have a different point of view in the manner in which you show your patriotism." Khurshid sought to dismiss the controversy over Home Minister P Chidambaram [ Images ] attending the convention where the controversial resolution was passed, insisting that the minister was "not fully aware that such a resolution has been passed".

Chidambaram has already made it clear that the resolution was not passed in his presence.

Denying suggestions that the government identifies Muslims with their religion and not with their real problems, Khurshid cited implementation of Sachar Committee recommendations and setting up of Equal Opportunity Commission as proof of its "commitment" for their betterment.

He said a group of ministers is being set up to work out details for location of the proposed commission and the bill has "fair chances" of being passed during the winter session of Parliament beginning from November 19.

The EOC, which was one of the key recommendations of the Sachar Committee report, will be vested with powers to ensure affirmative action for members of deprived communities working in public and private sectors.

Khurshid said the United Progressive Alliance [ Images ] government has accepted all recommendations of the Sachar Committee, barring one that was for having a nationwide cadre of Wakf officers.

On the issue of reservation for backward Muslims, Khurshid said it is on "high priority" of the government and it will be done in a sustainable manner.

He said the government is looking at both the Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh models of reservation for Muslims, but will not "give a model which is struck down by the courts tomorrow".

Image: Minority Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid



JuD fatwa on Vande Mataram unacceptable: Khurshid: Rediff.com India News
 
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Gujarat Muslim DGP tells Muslims: Sing Vande Mataram, I do it, not un-Islamic

Gujarat’s first Muslim Director General of Police, SS Khandwawala, has urged Muslims to sing Vande Mataram, saying it’s not un-Islamic to do so.

He cited his personal example to make his point. “I give a salaam to my mother everyday before I leave home and also to my motherland,” he told The Sunday Express. “When we offer namaaz, we bow down and kiss the ground, which itself is a salute to the motherland. Religion never prevents a man from respecting his motherland.”

In a statement to the press, Khandwawala said: “If Hindus consider land as mata (mother), then giving respect to the land is the duty of a true Muslims as well. There can be no two opinions on the belief that the earth is our mother. Earth gives us food, fulfils all our needs and we take our last breath in its lap. Therefore, calling Earth a mother, saluting her and respecting her, (as Prophet Mohammad said) is the duty of every Muslim.”

“If heaven lies beneath your mother’s feet and respecting the mother is the duty of a true Muslim—just as not hurting the sentiments of others and respecting all religions equally is also a Muslim’s duty—then it is equally important to know that saying ‘Vande Matram’ is not against Islam. Based on my understanding of Islam and the Holy Quran, I would say that singing Vande Matram should be a matter of pride for all Indian Muslims, an action of respecting the values of Islam,” he said.

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Well Said Sir. No one could have explained it better.
 
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^^^Its the national song, not the national anthem. And its not bickering its a discussion and if you don't have anything to contribute just don't post, no one is forcing you.

uhhh thats even dumber..."discussing" a "song"
 
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Why o why India need to face this nonsence all the time. This issue was debated enough and settled long ago. Such things happen because India is being too much secular??India had declared herself as a secular country and guaranteed the freedom to practice one's chosen religion, the right for speech, etc. So the citizens claim their rights available under the constitution. Is this the premiry cause for all our problems??
Normally, the minority would not like to outsmart the majority community in order to preserve the harmony and peaceful coexistence. But in India, too much minority appeasement measures by vote bank politicians in particular, had encouraged the minorities to boldly antagonise the majority and hurt their sentiments.

Pakistan,Indonesia,Bangladesh,Malaysia are declared Islamic countires. SriLanka no more a secular rather a sinhalese country. If these tiny nations have the guts to dedicate their entire nation to their majority community why not India declare herself an Hindu nation??? Well the question is trouble with 131,213,000 muslims???

Should we not follow the srilankan path??? I remember a history here.


The Lion Flag of the Sri Lankan state is seen as a symbol of oppression by the Eezham Tamils. They rejected it long back for the explicit communal symbolism in it, pointing out that the lion in the flag, taken as a symbol of the Sinhala people according to their myths, holding a sword against 'minorities' represented by the colour stripes in the flag, was a deliberately designed insult to Tamils and Muslims.
What happened to them later???Those who dont obey the nationalistic sentiments are to be crushed and thats what they did to them.
Why should’nt India do the same thing to the Indian muslims if they hurt the national sentiments??? Pakistan and China obviously going to help us to accomplish the goal!! Wont you guys???
 
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