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First of Muhajir is not any ethnicity ... As I am against this term but I know that this term was adopted by MQM & MIT in such circumstances while they have no other choice to be introduced themselves ........
How. The MQM killed 3000 people from 1985-1990 and was born in 84... they always used the mahajir card and ethnicity is what gives them votes plus it has terror wings-it is the BSO-A of Karachi.
You stand with Punjabi, Sindhi, Baloch & Pathan ... Isn't your this statement cause spreading ethnic divide....???
How?
Muhajir, Punjabi, Pathan, Sindhi, Kashmiri, Siraiki, Brohi, Hazareywal exist in Pakistan but unfortunately Pakistani are not existed ........
I always say Pakistan first. But I think there should be debate on ethnic identity. It is not inconsequential for us currently-looking at it critically might make it so.
Why don't we eliminate this ethnic divide......?? Why do all ethnic groups get proud to be called by their ethnic names.....?????
Mahajirs have the same problem. Will you condemn your own people too then?
You include various absurd things in your comments ...
There is a logic to everything I state. I will explain in the next bit...
1) You say "we so called "urdu speakers" should look into our girehbaan/hearts."
Why So called..???? Don't we speak Urdu...??? Doesn't Urdu our native language......??
See my views on urdu, muhajirs and urdu speakers are discussed infinitely in an old thread. So called? why?
So urdu speaker or muhajir are words that are used for us which mean nothing. Do you know that migrants also speak gujrati, marwari, madrasi, deccani dialect urdu etc? So urdu speaker is an incorrect term. I don't want to discuss this right now as I have spoken infinately. I will qoute an older post which I have made bold because I want our people (migrants) to read this. If possible do reply to the qouted here:
Part 1: The issues with the term Muhajir or Urdu-speaker (I am aware we have discussed this in detail but just wish to reiterate some points) for newcomers:
The term "Muhajir"
1) Muhajir is not an ethnicity due to the fact that each migrant has a differing culture, brings with him a unique family background and history and finally has various linguistic differences, in this case even within "Urdu-speakers". Point to note that Bihari, Lucknowi and Hyderabadi dialects of Urdu differ. This is discussed in detail in post 5. Our culture is Gujrati, Marathi, Lucknowi, Bihari or Hyderabadi. A wider identity obfuscates our real identity and richness of our real culture.
2) There is hypocrisy in the fact that a person from Lucknow with almost no cultural link to a person from Madras can bind himself together under the collective identity of Muhajir and look down on his Punjabi/Pashtun/Sindhi brother but cannot unite with the Punjabi, Sindhi or Baloch. The use of this term for division in Pakistan is clear for all to see.
3) Muhajir is an offensive term meaning pilgrim. It reduces a people that perceive themselves as an ethnic group to mere nomads. The question is allegations are made that the identity was not adopted by them but imposed by "other" ethnic groups. But an identity with negative connotations attached is immediately abandoned by a people with any form of self-respect. So why are they now keen to call themselves Muhajir?
4) Muhajir is another word for pilgrim. How does it describe a person who who is settled in the main cities of Pakistan and has access to the best education, healthcare and services in the entire country? It makes a people with a proud history look like nomads.
5) The term itself is a cause of insecurity amongst Muhajirs which has often resulted in the bashing of other ethnic groups in order to reiterate the fact that they are Muhajirs. The entire identity is now based on the aspects of being victims, being superior to other ethnic groups and deflecting and shifting any blame for mistakes. A look into previous posts will tell any person how true this.
6) Muhajir was meant to be a term that basically referred to all those who moved from what is now India to what is now Pakistan. However they themselves have proven it wrong. The Muhajirs that settled in Punjab now have adopted the term Punjabi for themselves, the ones in Pakhtunkhwa Pashtuns or Hindkowan's and the ones in Balochistan Baloch. Even in Karachi there are families who identify as Sindhi particularly the Memons are a case to note. Chak Bamu himself sees himself as a Punjabi. So basically the term has failed.
7) What self-respect will someone who is forever calling himself a pilgrim have left? A simple look at how discriminatory this term is will reveal the underlying reasons for a persons security. Its like forever being called a donkey. Thus the average Muhajir is forced to accept that identity and to feel secure in it insult or look down at every other person from another ethnic group.
7) The final reason is if it is simply movement from point A to point B then everyone is basically a Muhajir because since the beginning of the world people have been moving from one place to the other. The Pashtuns who came to Karachi are also Muhajir and the Sindhis who went to Punjab are also Muhajir. The term is NO term.
Urdu-speaker
1) Urdu-speaker is often used by non-muhajirs as a means to ensure they do not "offend" the Muhajir, realizing Muhajir itself is an offensive term though it raises the question once again why the Muhajir himself is keen to maintain this identity. However the flaw with Urdu-speaker is that it is simply another term for Muhajir meaning exactly the same thing and being the same wider identity for groups with cultural differences.
2) Urdu-speaker is discriminatory to those migrants who have a language other than urdu, for example Gujrati or Marathi. This is the primary reason why it is again a mistake to label people Muhajirs or Urdu speakers. It is an injustice to call a person whose ancestral language isn't urdu an urdu-speaker and as is clear truthseer has rejected this term too on account of his language.
3) Building on point 2 it raises the fundamental question that if the entire term "Muhajir/Urdu-speaker" is based on urdu-which language are we to promote? If we are promoting Urdu then what about those who speak Gujrati or Madrasi? Here we see how this incomplete term is actually killing our languages and if you look further killing our distinct cultures too by putting people with different cultures under one magnifying glass.
Read after urdu speaker and you will get what I mean. Our original identity is Lucknowi or if we want to merge with local ethnic groups pashtun. Its an attrocity that we are being called muhajirs and urdu speakers. Moving from place A to B does not make someone muhajir. We need to give up our ethnic identity which we maintain for no proper reason.
Any Why should we look in our girebaan or hearts.....?????? What have we done before 1978...?????
I believe slowly we became worse and worse. Till 1978 we were much better. But we formed the MQM, supported and still support said party despite the fact it is known for extreme violence.
Who had attacked at Liaquatabad right after presidential elections in 1964....??
Lets not turn national issues into ethnic issues.
Who had passed ethnic bill in 1972....??
Are you going to condemn the Sindhis for standing up for their rights. Ethnic identity should only matter for culture and language. I wouldn't be happy if my Lucknowi aap janab culture disappeared, if my kakori kebab were taken from me. All that happened in 1972 was that Sindh at least took the initiative in teaching its kids Sindhi and helping the culture ajrak topi all... I don't think it was aimed at us.
Ethnic nationalists always do this however. They paint an entirely innocent event as some form of oppression of urdu speakers.
Who had imposed quota system in Sindh.......??????
Common. Why do we always seem to think we are oppressed. It makes debate harder and is a way of face saving. It's like saying "don't discuss this it will hurt our bum."
I think it is about time our (false) identity is discussed, but not only that-support for the MQM which is a prerequisite.
The qouta system was beneficial to Sindhis. I think we should not be oblivious to other ethnic groups needs. Mahajirs are already richer than the rest of the country and have urdu imposed on the rest. We should admit we are in a prime position and build Pakistan. But we are engaged in the same mentality and outlook of the worst wadera or jagirdaar. We want everything in our favor which does not happen in a state. Plus the Sindhis and Pashtuns outnumber us so its more of state duty to help them first.
There are several questions ... I will conclude here that our forefathers had come here and left their properties behind not to divide Pakistan ... They had worked alot for a new born country .............
They worked a lot for the country before partition. Can you name one good thing us migrants did since we migrated? One of my relatives keeps blaming Pakistan and has a constant feeling that he has lost something in partition. Where and when did we make Pakistan stronger. Urdu columnists severely attacked Bengal during the language movement. Why can't we look at our role critically?
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