Abrar-ul-Haq expresses support for Tehrike-e-Labbaik-Ya-Rasulullah

[313ghazi]

You couldn't have been more wrong:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/ulema-and-pakistan-movement.305745/

 

[Pakistani E]

The community that has soldiers serving in the idf is serving Pakistan how? Why is your religious hq in Israel? I don't deny you your nationality or your patriotism but you can't make us swallow your versions of history.

The Pakistan movement had many more ulema in support of it than opposed to it. This propaganda cannot continue. Jinnah himself sought out the support of the ulema. Your elders were as opportunistic as anyone else. The same people who backed Pakistan served the British before it suited them. Let's not make up angels.

There are no Ahmadis in IDF. I know the Amir of Jamaat e Ahmadiyya in Israel. You say 500 Ahmadis are in IDF? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? Because the total number of Ahmadis in the state of Israel is around 2000~. They are Palestinian Arabs who have been settled there before the state of Israel was created.

The vast majority of them belong to a particular clan of Palestinians who became Ahmadi in the 1920s. That HQ you are talking about existed before Israel was even created. We have HQ's in every single country, that's just an organisational fact. We have our headquarters in Pakistan too. And 200 other countries, where religious and social activities are organised. What of it? Are you saying that local Muslims in Israel don't also have their HQ in Israel? Because they do.

And most ulama opposed it, Ahmadi ulama were the only ones to support Pakistan Movement wholeheartedly. The Imam of an Ahmadi Mosque in London was the one who convinced Jinnah (rh) to return to Pakistan. He was the one who organised an Eid celebration at one of our mosques where Jinnah (rh) announced his intention to return India after becoming disillusioned. Before deciding to return to India Jinnah met with the Imam and famously said' the eloquent persuasion of the Imam left me no escape.” The Sunday Times, London, 9th April 1933.

Opportunistic? Tell that to the martyrs in my family who gave their lives for Pakistan both before and after 1947. For once, drop your bigotry and think about issues with an open mind and you will find that the world is not as simple or black and white as you think.

Your bone with us on not declaring Jihad on the British is legitimate, but can be explained by our fiqh. We do not believe in violent uprisings against a government that allows religious freedoms and does not interfere or stop us from practising our religion. Ahmadis weren't the only ones who believed that the British government was just enough to not warrant a Jihad against. Forget that, even my non Ahmadi elders, helped the British against the Sikhs because they knew that the Sikh rule was a thousand times worse than the British. These folks were all Ahle Hadith, but still believed that the British were more just. Do you want me to get a list of all the ulama of different sects who had the same beliefs regarding British rule in India?

 

[M. Sarmad]

Ahmed Raza Khan (Aala Hazrat), the founder of Barelvi Movement, had died in 1921 ... His son, Mustafa Raza Khan titled Mufti-e-Azam Hind preferred to stay in India. He died in 1980s and is buried in Bareili. Ahmed Raza had other sons too and one of them was Hamid Raza but he died in 1943 though he too never participated in the struggle for Pakistan's creation. None of Ahmed Raza's descendants live in Pakistan, in fact, they hate Pakistan. Barelvis were the ones who really gave the push but the Barelvi headquarters (Barelvi hierarchy; Ahmed Raza's son and other "Khalifas") were against Pakistan Movement .

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Why this discussion went toward Qadyaani Pakistani vs Deobundi/brelvi Pakistani ? Supporting concept of finality of Prophethood dont make anyone extremist or supporter of any extremist party. I consider all Pakistani as equal citizens irrespective of their religious beliefs but again i as a Muslim have firm belief in finality of Prophethood . I dont believe in claims of Mirza so they can call me kafir as i am munkar of his claims and consider him fake. I should also be free to call others Non Muslims as per my own interpretation of Islam if someone add extra Prophet in Islam after Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) and attribute many verses of Quran toward him. Qadyani may have different aqeedah toward finality of Propherhood , imam mahdi and Hadrat isa but still they should have right to practice their beliefs even if we consider them wrong.

 

[Musafir117]

The community that has soldiers serving in the idf is serving Pakistan how? Why is your religious hq in Israel? I don't deny you your nationality or your patriotism but you can't make us swallow your versions of history.

The Pakistan movement had many more ulema in support of it than opposed to it. This propaganda cannot continue. Jinnah himself sought out the support of the ulema. Your elders were as opportunistic as anyone else. The same people who backed Pakistan served the British before it suited them. Let's not make up angels.

STFU padhe likhe jahil. Who told you Ahmadiyya HQ in Israel? Your brain is size of tiny bean? You can have differences on religious base but you really a foolish moron making false allegations on Ahmdis patroism.

 

[Amaa'n]

somebody just drop a bomb already on the sit in ......please............!!!!!!

 

[313ghazi]

STFU padhe likhe jahil. Who told you Ahmadiyya HQ in Israel? Your brain is size of tiny bean? You can have differences on religious base but you really a foolish moron making false allegations on Ahmdis patroism.

Moron Google it, thier leader is in Israel. It is not a conspiracy theory. If thick shits like you clicked on the evidence I provided you couldn't need to be schooled again and again.

Besides stop diverting the topic away, we can see right through you people. Nobody cares what happened 70 years ago, it has no bearing on the fact these people try to define themselves as Muslim when by definition they're not. That's the crux of the argument. Jinnah create Pakistan not Islam, Allah set created Islam and sent Muhammad (pbuh) as his final messenger. He stated in the Holy Quran to that fact. It is indisputable.

 

[Musafir117]

Moron Google it, thier leader is in Israel. It is not a conspiracy theory. If thick shits like you clicked on the evidence I provided you couldn't need to be schooled again and again.

Besides stop diverting the topic away, we can see right through you people. Nobody cares what happened 70 years ago, it has no bearing on the fact these people try to define themselves as Muslim when by definition they're not. That's the crux of the argument. Jinnah create Pakistan not Islam, Allah set created Islam and sent Muhammad (pbuh) as his final messenger. He stated in the Holy Quran to that fact. It is indisputable.

Get lost the name of Allah Quran and beloved Prophet PBUH names from your mouth making me sick already.

 

[313ghazi]

Ahmed Raza Khan (Aala Hazrat), the founder of Barelvi Movement, had died in 1921 ... His son, Mustafa Raza Khan titled Mufti-e-Azam Hind preferred to stay in India. He died in 1980s and is buried in Bareili. Ahmed Raza had other sons too and one of them was Hamid Raza but he died in 1943 though he too never participated in the struggle for Pakistan's creation. None of Ahmed Raza's descendants live in Pakistan, in fact, they hate Pakistan. Barelvis were the ones who really gave the push but the Barelvi headquarters (Barelvi hierarchy; Ahmed Raza's son and other "Khalifas") were against Pakistan Movement .

I'm sorry but there are different issues at hand here.

1. Ahmed Raza Khan barelvi and his followers supported Pakistan. The information is available on Wikipedia with references.

2. The man himself in considered a mujadid hence the respect. He is not a pir or a prophet. What his grandsons etc say or do is irrelevant.

3. Barelvi, deobandi, wahhabi, Shia, non Muslim, all doesn't matter, those who backed Pakistan were from these groups and moved to Pakistan and fought for Pakistan and every single person who holds that passport today has as much right to Pakistan as Jinnah himself.

4. This has nothing to do with being Pakistani, but being Muslim.

This really stupid argument is just politicised bullshit and I hate myself for getting involved. I hate sounding like an extremist, I hate bullshit arguments about who was better buddies with Jinnah, I hate the fasad it causes.

My final say on this whole stupid matter.

1. By definition Qadiani are not Muslim. In the same way I'm not Christian.

2. I personally don't care if we legally define that or not. Frankly the whole argument of it being a threat to Islamic identity is only true because we have a country full of uneducated people who aren't taught Islam or the basic reasoning skills to deduct if something is Islamic or not.

This is simply an extension of the same inferiority complex molvis have about each other where they describe each other as bidati and this and that.

If we were a civilised society, we wouldn't need to legally exclude anyone from Islam, especially a minority sect who are no harm to anyone.

3. This molvi is a barelvi extremist, yes we have them too. It seems no amount of Langar can placate some mullahs.

4. The government should have refused permission for a sit in on the roads and should have used force to clear it. The government won't do either because this distraction is exactly what they want.

 

[Pakistani E]

thier leader is in Israel

You mean the guy who is head of the Jamaat e Ahmadiyya in Palestine lives in what is now the state of Israel as he is a Palestinian Arab who's family has lived where he currently lives for generations just like other Palestinian Arabs that live near him? Shocking revelation, did you know that the "leader" of Jamat e Ahmadiyya Pakistan lives in *gasp* Pakistan? And the leader of Jamaat e Ahmadiyya India lives in, yep you guessed it, India.

 

[The Eagle]

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