About a Single Arab State

[Indischer]

Please read my post below here.



It does not need to be shared on Pan-Arabism necessarily. Every Arab has Pan-Arabism in him in that sense that he wises unity for his people. Forget about the Pan-Arabism of the modern-age. The one that got mixed with socialism and authoritarianism and other nonsense.

It can be based on shared blood, culture, language, religion, an ancient, ancient Semitic past and the fact that we are all connected by land and geography.

Or the simple fact that we are neighbors and have to work together.

Federalism does not stop smaller states from dealing with their own affairs and ruling their own entities. KSA is the dominant force in the GCC but that does not prevent the other members from raising their voice.

So you're advocating only a loose federation of Arab states at best wherein each local ruler gets to retain most of his power and autonomy?

 

[Falcon29]

If you took the current Arab nations today and united them nothing would change, an Arab with these present monarchies and administrations will regulate a united Arab world useless. If you want a real Arab world we should have democratic elections in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, the West Bank, the GCC and then after that do we decide to have an Arab world. The first step would be listening to the concerns of the people.

 

[al-Hasani]

So you're advocating only a loose federation of Arab states at best wherein each local ruler gets to retain most of his power and autonomy?

That's the most foreseeable solution and the one that worked in the past during the Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid etc. Caliphates. 3 of the 11 largest empires in human history. So they are an good example since the Arab world has not regressed in size since that time.

Although we all share a common ancient Semitic and Arab past, language, religion, culture, are tied by geography then the Arab world is diverse and each Arab country has its own social fabric and distinct history that was formed throughout history. Erasing that would not only be impossible but also a shame.

Thus if there will ever be any wider scaled unity aside from the Arab League and regional cooperations then this is the solution.

And here I am talking about 3-4 larger regional Arab bodies that work together.

In any case I am not sure if it is needed. All Arab countries already work together, some to larger and smaller degree whether 1 united bloc on paper or not. That will always be the case.

 

[Indischer]

That's the most foreseeable solution and the one that worked in the past during the Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid etc. Caliphates. 3 of the 11 largest empires in human history. So they are an good example since the Arab world has not regressed in size since that time.

Although we all share a common ancient Semitic and Arab past, language, religion, culture, are tied by geography then the Arab world is diverse and each Arab country has its own social fabric and distinct history that was formed throughout history. Erasing that would not only be impossible but also a shame.

Thus if there will ever be any wider scaled unity aside from the Arab League and regional cooperations then this is the solution.

And here I am talking about 3-4 larger regional Arab bodies that work together.

In any case I am not sure if it is needed. 90% of all Arab countries already work together whether 1 unity or not. That will always be the case.

Looks like the best reply of this thread so far.

 

[al-Hasani]

Looks like the best reply of this thread so far.

Notice that maybe the most important hindrance for any unity among people across the world is economy and political stability. Kuwait can have tons of common things with its neighbors (KSA and Iraq - which is obviously has btw) but if Kuwait was filthy rich (which it is) and for instance KSA and Iraq were the most poor countries on earth then what interest would Kuwait have to join forces with those two countries?

That's what you are seeing in the EU which is not a union based on the same ethnicity, language, religion, culture etc. but just a geographical union where money and European security are the main aspects of cooperation.

And even there they fight all the time and UK and others are threatening to leave while Germany etc. is tired of paying for the mistakes of Greece, Spain, Portugal thousands of km away.

 

[Falcon29]

That's the most foreseeable solution and the one that worked in the past during the Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid etc. Caliphates. 3 of the 11 largest empires in human history. So they are an good example since the Arab world has not regressed in size since that time.

Although we all share a common ancient Semitic and Arab past, language, religion, culture, are tied by geography then the Arab world is diverse and each Arab country has its own social fabric and distinct history that was formed throughout history. Erasing that would not only be impossible but also a shame.

Thus if there will ever be any wider scaled unity aside from the Arab League and regional cooperations then this is the solution.

And here I am talking about 3-4 larger regional Arab bodies that work together.

In any case I am not sure if it is needed. All Arab countries already work together, some to larger and smaller degree whether 1 united bloc on paper or not. That will always be the case.

There's a big, big, big difference between the rulers who ruled Caliphate's in the past and the rulers who rule Arab nations today in present.

Where does Palestine come in this by the way?

 

[al-Hasani]

There's a big, big, big difference between the rulers who ruled Caliphate's in the past and the rulers who rule Arab nations today in present.

Where does Palestine come in this by the way?

I am talking about federalism and using those past Empires and Caliphates as an example of a healthy system when the Arab world was united for centuries and governed by federal entities that bore allegiance to the Caliph. Just like the non-Arab areas ruled in those Caliphates. This is the only solution and not just 1 entity ruling from Damascus for instance and deciding what people in Muscat and Rabat have to do.

Well being one of the over 20 other Arab countries. Hopefully independent by then with Al-Quds as its capital.

 

[Falcon29]

I am talking about federalism and using those past Empires and Caliphates as an example of a healthy system when the Arab world was united for centuries and governed by federal entities that bore allegiance to the Caliph. Just like the non-Arab areas ruled in those Caliphates. This is the only solution and not just 1 entity ruling from Damascus for instance and deciding what people in Muscat and Rabat have to do.

Well being one of the over 20 other Arab countries. Hopefully independent by then with Al-Quds as its capital.

I don't think it's possible, neither would it happen.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

Bu the real question is who will rule that united country???

Oh gee, hard question. Let's see, Arabian country...maybe the Arabs..?

Well being one of the over 20 other Arab countries. Hopefully independent by then with Al-Quds as its capital.

Not anytime soon. Dimashq or Baghdad would make more sense.

 

[al-Hasani]

I don't think it's possible, neither would it happen.

What is not possible and what should not happen? I am indifferent to an formal Arab union or not. As people we are by large united by blood, culture, religion, geography and an ancient Arab and Semitic past already. That's never going to change. Whether politics or economy is involved.

Besides we should look at our immediate region first. The events seen on the Arabian Peninsula (GCC) and the future point for an united Arabian Peninsula. That's enough for us. If the others will fellow or make their regional unions formal in the other parts of the Arab world then great. Not against that at all. If it helps the people then why not?

Let the people decide. I can only speak for the GCC and 99% of all people are very happy about that union and its benefits.

Oh gee, hard question. Let's see, Arabian country...maybe the Arabs..?



Not anytime soon. Dimashq or Baghdad would make more sense.

Brother I was talking about an independent Palestine with Al-Quds as the capital.

 

[RAMPAGE]

A Muslim state embodying the all Muslim majority countries.

 

[al-Hasani]

A Muslim state embodying the all Muslim majority countries.

You have to start from somewhere and why not start from where it all began?

 

[DRaisinHerald]

A Muslim state embodying the all Muslim majority countries.

Only after the Mahdi comes. Too much racism and the almost impossible to bridge racial-linguistic-cultural gap makes it non-feasible.
A united Arab state would nonetheless be beneficial to Pakistan. And a lot more reliable/stable too.

 

[KingMamba]

You have to start from somewhere and why not start from where it all began?

Marhaba habibi.

Such a union would not be possible as the other powers of the world would have a fit.

 

[al-Hasani]

Marhaba habibi.

Such a union would not be possible as the other powers of the world would have a fit.

Yes, no need to have delusions of a future united Muslim Ummah at this time and age but it once happened a few times and nothing tells me that it could not happen again.

The Muslim world is going through a lot of turbulence due to well-known reasons that date back far in history but it all has an end and after this period has ended nobody can tell what is going to happen.

Also whether united or not formally then there is Muslim brotherhood among Muslims. By far most of the time. More brotherhood than with any other religious group maybe outside the Jews (due to their recent history and tiny numbers).