Aboriginal Races of Frontier prior to the Pashtun invasions

[Nihil]

Malala is very Indic(or desi) looking to me,it's rare to see the Afghani Pashtuns have that look

In fact her father, Ziauddin Yousafzai can definitely pass off as an Indian

 

[Joe Shearer]

I enjoyed parts of this thread, but I have to say that I am amazed at the utterly racist, bigoted attitude that the main posters have displayed so consistently. What is this obsession with colour, and with Caucasian features, and with stereotypes?

If these had not been so abominable, they would have been comic. Where have you Neanderthals been all your lives?

 

[TopCat]

They were all Bengali before...

 

[Joe Shearer]

There were all Bengali before...

LOL.

It is difficult to bottle you up.

Happy New Year, and I hope you have a wonderful year ahead, puncturing windbags like me. Bless you for being a thorn in everyone's flesh.

 

[mujhaidind]

There were all Bengali before...

Bengali women are pretty. But Bengali men are pretty ugly in general.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Bengali women are pretty. But Bengali men are pretty ugly in general.

There is nothing I have seen as ugly as your mind and your attitudes.

 

[mujhaidind]

There is nothing I have seen as ugly as your mind and your attitudes.

If thats your real picture. Then please do look in the mirror.

 

[Joe Shearer]

If thats your real picture. Then please do look in the mirror.

Your mind remains ugly. Nothing can compare with it. Sadly, I cannot ask you to look in the mirror.

 

[TopCat]

Bengali women are pretty. But Bengali men are pretty ugly in general.

Feelings are mutual, Bengali men think all other women are pretty but men are ugly.

 

[Omega007]

Feelings are mutual, Bengali men think all other women are pretty but men are ugly.

We agree on some point at last.

 

[PakhtunGuy]

@ Indians (Bengalis included) please don't compare Pashtuns with your kind. Thank you, tor saray.

 

[Joe Shearer]

@ Indians (Bengalis included) please don't compare Pashtuns with your kind. Thank you, tor saray.

Since you belong to the school of thought that believes in 'Ready - shoot - aim', you might not have noticed that the person making the comparison is a Bangladeshi.

 

[ghoul]

I enjoyed parts of this thread, but I have to say that I am amazed at the utterly racist, bigoted attitude that the main posters have displayed so consistently. What is this obsession with colour, and with Caucasian features, and with stereotypes?

If these had not been so abominable, they would have been comic. Where have you Neanderthals been all your lives?

I still believe that the word "Kandahar" is a Pashto rendition for Gandhara. The capital of Gandhara was Taxila in modern day Rawalpindi district.

As for complexions and stuff. Well, those things are unavoidable when discussing subjects such as these. History and anthropology goes hand in hand. Pakistan is one of the most diverse countries in the world.

Note the diversity of swat people, (Only the category "landowner and warrior" is designated pakhtun in swat and elsewhere in pakhtunkhwa)
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Source: Features of Person and Society in Swat ~ (Fredrik Barth, 1981)
@oye_natta, @ghoul, @Jaggu, @sahaliyan

It's remarkable how similar the "caste system" of Swat is to the Potohar. Weavers here are called "Julahas". Land-owners and warriors are Rajputs, Awan and Gakkhars. Sesame oil farmers are called "Teli", which is also a derogatory term for a dark skinned person. A barber is called a "nai". Ministrels and singers are called "Dom-mirassi". Brick kiln workers are called mussali. All barbers, ministrels, weavers, mirassi etc are collectively known as "kammi", which means a low-borne, landless peasant. Another interesting thing about Potohar, everyone except a Rajput, Gakhar, Khattar, Awan, Mughal and Syed is collectively labelled "jatt", despite there being some proper Jatt clans like Cheemas and Chatthas living there. Even a nai is labelled a "jatt" here.

And you might be right about miscellaneous races claiming to be Yousafzais. Similar things can be seen quite often here. A lot of miscellaneous people from Potohar claim to be Awans or Janjuhas, despite not being such. For some reason they never claim a Gakhar origin. The Jhelum settlement report mentioned that a lot of Arayeens from Jhelum and Chakwal districts gave their clan(called "biraderi") as Janjuha rajput or Awan to the British authorities. You'll be surprised how low some people can get.

 

[mujhaidind]

@Samandri Are pathans of India fake? 99% of them don't look like the ones in Afghanistan? What about Hindus and SIkhs who claim to be pathans and look like Pathans?

Are Pathan and Baloch racially different? Do they inter-marry?

 

[Joe Shearer]

I still believe that the word "Kandahar" is a Pashto rendition for Gandhara. The capital of Gandhara was Taxila in modern day Rawalpindi district.

As for complexions and stuff. Well, those things are unavoidable when discussing subjects such as these. History and anthropology goes hand in hand. Pakistan is one of the most diverse countries in the world.

LOL

I teach. I don't dictate. Please feel free to adhere to whichever version suits you. We have some like you in India as well; they are currently in the process of informing us that Hindus had invented planes, nuclear devices, plastic surgery sufficiently advanced to exchange an elephant's head for a human's, and so on. So after those rapes, your little sexual impropriety is quite bearable.

Neither history nor anthropology deals with colour, in the way this thread has. Let me give you a link, which you - barely - might find useful. I am sceptical, but, hey, why not just try?


Bolstered by some nationalist and ethnocentric values and achievements of choice, this concept of racial superiority evolved to distinguish from other cultures, that were considered inferior or impure. This emphasis on culture corresponds to the modern mainstream definition of racism: "Racism does not originate from the existence of 'races'. It creates them through a process of social division into categories: anybody can be racialised, independently of their somatic, cultural, religious differences."[66]

This definition explicitly ignores the biological concept of race, still subject to scientific debate. In the words ofDavid C. Rowe "A racial concept, although sometimes in the guise of another name, will remain in use in biology and in other fields because scientists, as well as lay persons, are fascinated by human diversity, some of which is captured by race."[67]

Until recently, this racist abuse of physical anthropology has been politically exploited. Apart from being unscientific, racial prejudice became subject to international legislation. For instance, the Declaration on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, adopted by the United Nations General Assembly on November 20, 1963, address racial prejudice explicitly next to discrimination for reasons of race, colour or ethnic origin (Article I).[68]

Happy New Year.

It's remarkable how similar the "caste system" of Swat is to the Potohar. Weavers here are called "Julahas". Land-owners and warriors are Rajputs, Awan and Gakkhars. Sesame oil farmers are called "Teli", which is also a derogatory term for a dark skinned person. A barber is called a "nai". Ministrels and singers are called "Dom-mirassi". Brick kiln workers are called mussali. All barbers, ministrels, weavers, mirassi etc are collectively known as "kammi", which means a low-borne, landless peasant. Another interesting thing about Potohar, everyone except a Rajput, Gakhar, Khattar, Awan, Mughal and Syed is collectively labelled "jatt", despite there being some proper Jatt clans like Cheemas and Chatthas living there. Even a nai is labelled a "jatt" here.

And you might be right about miscellaneous races claiming to be Yousafzais. Similar things can be seen quite often here. A lot of miscellaneous people from Potohar claim to be Awans or Janjuhas, despite not being such. For some reason they never claim a Gakhar origin. The Jhelum settlement report mentioned that a lot of Arayeens from Jhelum and Chakwal districts gave their clan(called "biraderi") as Janjuha rajput or Awan to the British authorities. You'll be surprised how low some people can get.